Eric B
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In my discussions with Lenore, she has described concepts such as differentiation.
The functions represent different ways of building neurological connections from the frontal cortex back to the limbic area; a neurological network that can support traffic associatively from many other areas of the brain. Most of the links that we've built from the cognitive brain back to the emotional brain belong to the function we've differentiated (as dominant).
She compared it to Ebay, the central hub of a network, which has an operating charter.
So we have an Ego-identity, a central hub with an operating charter (from our dominant function; hence, Jung's original eight types). The products of undifferentiated functions can reach consciousness, but only as they're linked to the "operating charter" of the network our dominant function has set up. This diverts their potential energic investment to dominant goals. When they are not linked to the network of the differentiated standpoint, they remain conflated with one of the archetypal complexes (the archetypes being understood by Jung as "the motivating effects of limbic events").
So thinking about all this, and in light of the conclusion some of us made here, that functions are better described as "perspectives", I have found a way to express the types and their functions by the perspective they have as their operating charter.
First, the perspectives:
Se: The environment must contain new experiences
Si: Life must be familiar to me
Ne: The environment must contain alternatives, new possibilities
Ni: Life must have an underlying significance to me
Te: The environment must be logically organized
Ti: Life must make sense to me
Fe: The environment must be socially friendly
Fi: Life must be personally congruent to me
These are roughly based on Berens' "The Philosophy of life that engages in {Xy}" in the Cogntive Processes book.
Se: There is always more to be experienced, and opportunities don't last.
Si: There is always a comparison to be made, and if it is familiar, it is to be trusted
Ne: There are always other perspectives and new meanings to discover
Ni: There is always a future to realize and a significance to be revealed.
Te: Everything can be logical, structured and organized
Ti: Everything can be explained and understood in terms of how it works
Fe: Everything can be considered in terms of how it affects others
Fi: Everything can be in harmony or congruence
I realized that my operating charter was that everything in life must make sense to me. As an "operating charter", "everything can be understood in terms of how it works" seemed too broad, and not personal enough, a description. However, it does tie into things needing to make sense.
If it doesn't, I will try to find out how or why. If I still can't, I become frustrated if it is concrete reality, and question it if it is an abstract belief. I realized this when thinking of how traditional Christian theology often puts down logic whenever they run across something they can't answer. They make a lot of strong pronounements on what "truth" is based on scripture, but their intepretations of it often lead to contradictions and things that don't make sense. When these are questioned, they will often appeal to "It is above our comprehension". Yet, you are supposed to still believe it regardless.
Many give up and abandon faith at that point, but I have seen that other interpretations (especially with the original contexts of things) do make it make more sense.
Hence, my auxiliary ties to the dominant operating charter, and will also help guide it.
So here are a few types I have tried to illustrate this for. For the "shadow arms" (6/7), I include the influence of the auxiliary, since the auxiliary is what sets the "arm" functions in their place.
Keep in mind, that these are not [necessarily] the archetypes now (except for where noted in my type). They're how all eight functions enter consciousness through the dominant charter. In more "limbic" situations that call for the archetypal complexes, they will erupt, in a necessary manifestation of the function; which is often negative.
INTP:
1 operating charter: life must make sense to me
2 the environment must contain alternatives/possibilities for things to make sense to me
3 life should be familiar to make sense to me
4 a socially friendly environment makes the most sense to me
5 the environment should be ordered in a way that makes sense to me
(Opposing Personality Complex: when it is not, I become stubborn about the ordering of things)
6 life's underlying significance should point to possibilities in the environment that make sense to me
(Senex archetype: things that don't make sense often seem to point to negative conclusions)
7 the environment's new experiences should make sense to me
(Trickster archetype: Current experience is used for setting logical traps, or being silly)
8 what makes sense to me provides congruence
(Demonic Personality Complex: when things don't make sense, it is very important to fix this to restore congruence, and it tears me up inside).
INFP
1 operating charter: life must be congruent to me
2 the environment must contain alternatives/possibilities for things to be congruent
3 life should be familiar to be congruent to me
4 a logically structured environment is the most congruent to me
5 socially friendly environments should be congruent to me
6 underlying significance should point to possibilities in the environment that are congruent to me
7 the environment's new experiences should be congruent to me
8 what's congruent to me makes sense
ENFP
1 operating charter: the environment must contain new possibilities/alternatives
2 here are possibilities/alternatives in the environment for things to be congruent [to me]
3 possibilities/alternatives should be implemented in the environment through logical structure
4 what's familiar to me provides the context for new possibilities
5 the significance of this is the possibilities it opens up in the environment
6 social environments should explore alternatives to maintain congruence
7 use possibilities and congruence to make light of what makes sense
8 try to experience all possibilities in environment
ESFJ
1 operating charter: the environment must be socially friendly
2 a socially friendly environment will be that which is familiar to me
3 there should be multiple possibilities for a socially friendly environment
4 life should make sense in order to enhance a socially friendly environment
5 sticking with what is congruent to me will keep me in step with my social environment
6 the environment I am experiencing should be conducive to a socially friendly atmosphere
7 looking for underlying significance in things should enhance a social environment
8 the environment should be logically ordered for a socially friendly atmosphere
ISTJ
1 operating charter: Life must be familiar to me
2 the environment must be logically ordered in a familiar way
3 life should be congruent by being familiar to me
4 lets add some new familiar environments
5 the current experience of the environment will validate what is familiar to me
6 the environment should be ordered in a way that makes sense according to what is familiar to me
7 socially friendly environment should have congruence according to what is familiar to me
8 any further significance in things should support to what is familiar to me
So does this make sense, and help anyone understand "function use" better? You can't just look at a person "using" a function and assume a type. You have to consider what context it is being used in; what the operating charter is.
The functions represent different ways of building neurological connections from the frontal cortex back to the limbic area; a neurological network that can support traffic associatively from many other areas of the brain. Most of the links that we've built from the cognitive brain back to the emotional brain belong to the function we've differentiated (as dominant).
She compared it to Ebay, the central hub of a network, which has an operating charter.
So we have an Ego-identity, a central hub with an operating charter (from our dominant function; hence, Jung's original eight types). The products of undifferentiated functions can reach consciousness, but only as they're linked to the "operating charter" of the network our dominant function has set up. This diverts their potential energic investment to dominant goals. When they are not linked to the network of the differentiated standpoint, they remain conflated with one of the archetypal complexes (the archetypes being understood by Jung as "the motivating effects of limbic events").
So thinking about all this, and in light of the conclusion some of us made here, that functions are better described as "perspectives", I have found a way to express the types and their functions by the perspective they have as their operating charter.
First, the perspectives:
Se: The environment must contain new experiences
Si: Life must be familiar to me
Ne: The environment must contain alternatives, new possibilities
Ni: Life must have an underlying significance to me
Te: The environment must be logically organized
Ti: Life must make sense to me
Fe: The environment must be socially friendly
Fi: Life must be personally congruent to me
These are roughly based on Berens' "The Philosophy of life that engages in {Xy}" in the Cogntive Processes book.
Se: There is always more to be experienced, and opportunities don't last.
Si: There is always a comparison to be made, and if it is familiar, it is to be trusted
Ne: There are always other perspectives and new meanings to discover
Ni: There is always a future to realize and a significance to be revealed.
Te: Everything can be logical, structured and organized
Ti: Everything can be explained and understood in terms of how it works
Fe: Everything can be considered in terms of how it affects others
Fi: Everything can be in harmony or congruence
I realized that my operating charter was that everything in life must make sense to me. As an "operating charter", "everything can be understood in terms of how it works" seemed too broad, and not personal enough, a description. However, it does tie into things needing to make sense.
If it doesn't, I will try to find out how or why. If I still can't, I become frustrated if it is concrete reality, and question it if it is an abstract belief. I realized this when thinking of how traditional Christian theology often puts down logic whenever they run across something they can't answer. They make a lot of strong pronounements on what "truth" is based on scripture, but their intepretations of it often lead to contradictions and things that don't make sense. When these are questioned, they will often appeal to "It is above our comprehension". Yet, you are supposed to still believe it regardless.
Many give up and abandon faith at that point, but I have seen that other interpretations (especially with the original contexts of things) do make it make more sense.
Hence, my auxiliary ties to the dominant operating charter, and will also help guide it.
So here are a few types I have tried to illustrate this for. For the "shadow arms" (6/7), I include the influence of the auxiliary, since the auxiliary is what sets the "arm" functions in their place.
Keep in mind, that these are not [necessarily] the archetypes now (except for where noted in my type). They're how all eight functions enter consciousness through the dominant charter. In more "limbic" situations that call for the archetypal complexes, they will erupt, in a necessary manifestation of the function; which is often negative.
INTP:
1 operating charter: life must make sense to me
2 the environment must contain alternatives/possibilities for things to make sense to me
3 life should be familiar to make sense to me
4 a socially friendly environment makes the most sense to me
5 the environment should be ordered in a way that makes sense to me
(Opposing Personality Complex: when it is not, I become stubborn about the ordering of things)
6 life's underlying significance should point to possibilities in the environment that make sense to me
(Senex archetype: things that don't make sense often seem to point to negative conclusions)
7 the environment's new experiences should make sense to me
(Trickster archetype: Current experience is used for setting logical traps, or being silly)
8 what makes sense to me provides congruence
(Demonic Personality Complex: when things don't make sense, it is very important to fix this to restore congruence, and it tears me up inside).
INFP
1 operating charter: life must be congruent to me
2 the environment must contain alternatives/possibilities for things to be congruent
3 life should be familiar to be congruent to me
4 a logically structured environment is the most congruent to me
5 socially friendly environments should be congruent to me
6 underlying significance should point to possibilities in the environment that are congruent to me
7 the environment's new experiences should be congruent to me
8 what's congruent to me makes sense
ENFP
1 operating charter: the environment must contain new possibilities/alternatives
2 here are possibilities/alternatives in the environment for things to be congruent [to me]
3 possibilities/alternatives should be implemented in the environment through logical structure
4 what's familiar to me provides the context for new possibilities
5 the significance of this is the possibilities it opens up in the environment
6 social environments should explore alternatives to maintain congruence
7 use possibilities and congruence to make light of what makes sense
8 try to experience all possibilities in environment
ESFJ
1 operating charter: the environment must be socially friendly
2 a socially friendly environment will be that which is familiar to me
3 there should be multiple possibilities for a socially friendly environment
4 life should make sense in order to enhance a socially friendly environment
5 sticking with what is congruent to me will keep me in step with my social environment
6 the environment I am experiencing should be conducive to a socially friendly atmosphere
7 looking for underlying significance in things should enhance a social environment
8 the environment should be logically ordered for a socially friendly atmosphere
ISTJ
1 operating charter: Life must be familiar to me
2 the environment must be logically ordered in a familiar way
3 life should be congruent by being familiar to me
4 lets add some new familiar environments
5 the current experience of the environment will validate what is familiar to me
6 the environment should be ordered in a way that makes sense according to what is familiar to me
7 socially friendly environment should have congruence according to what is familiar to me
8 any further significance in things should support to what is familiar to me
So does this make sense, and help anyone understand "function use" better? You can't just look at a person "using" a function and assume a type. You have to consider what context it is being used in; what the operating charter is.
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