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    For a seemingly irrelevant question, if one's two strongest functions are actually Pe functions does this mean that one is a super perceiver?
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    ^ And furthermore, I'm not sure how good of a definition "liking options" is for perceiving, cuz, as an INTJ (and I'm sure the same goes for ENTJs), I'm all about contingency planning...

    I think "liking closure" and "liking openness" might be a bit more accurate.
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    The thing is since we are communicating online, which is an introverted place, the extroverted functions are less represented. So an ExxJ will be seen as someone in introverted perceiving mode most of the time and an IxxP will be seen as someone in introverted judgment mode most of the time. It's just what happens, I don't make the rules. I just enjoy breaking them, but they still remain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    For a seemingly irrelevant question, if one's two strongest functions are actually Pe functions does this mean that one is a super perceiver?
    Whatever, don't you dare derail this thread!

    It means that you're a Pe dom and your S and N are balanced (ExTP [you], ExFP), so you switch between the two functions as your dominant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yeah, I figured I might be misusing it a bit, but, at the same time, am I really?

    I mean, ExxPs seem to much less judgmental (in the normal, everyday sense of the word) than your typical ExxJ, in my opinion.

    I mean, might there not be some kind of correlation between liking closure and being judgmental and liking options and being perceiving?
    My experience is different. I find that EPs can be quite judgemental. They are certainly often as or more judgemental than IPs. This is because a Perceving process can sometimes lead someone to actually be much more stubborn or assertive than Judgement, because it is inherently less rational (and in other words, harder to reason with). It's basically more complicated than one continuum. It's rather multi-dimensional in its contextual relevance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I believe that would be the case based on my claim, but it would be purely correlatiional, not causational.

    I mean, I didn't say the ExxP is more judgmental that IxxP...

    Get my drift?
    Well there are two variables involves, which is why I understood that EPs were considered less judgemental than IPs. It's two variables with J/P being the dominant one (think of genetic alleles ).

    Anyhow, I guess the general idea is refered to in the point above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yeah, I figured I might be misusing it a bit, but, at the same time, am I really?

    I mean, ExxPs seem to much less judgmental (in the normal, everyday sense of the word) than your typical ExxJ, in my opinion.

    I mean, might there not be some kind of correlation between liking closure and being judgmental and liking options and being perceiving?
    Potentially there might be a slight correlation but at the same time one does not equal the other. There are close-minded Ps and open-minded Js.

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    Ive actually wondered about this quite a bit myself. I remember reading something like what appled wrote- about the extraverted preference being the face we show to others, and being the one we use to interact with the outside world- probably in Thompsons book. Beyond that, Ive got my own minor theory about behavior differences:

    Judgers typically dont seem to like the external world to be subject to change as much as Ps do. I think its because when the more dominant P function (be it specifically the dom or aux) is introverted, we prefer to have the external world remain relatively stagnant so that we are free to perceive introverted information. I know this much is true for Ni doms: we thrive on exploring internal possibilities and unstable external environments inhibit our ability to do this. Freedom is found in the mind, and external changes (that we arent in firm control of) constrict this freedom.

    I suppose the inverse is true for perceivers. When the more dominant P function (again, whether dom or aux) is directed outward, then freedom would be found where the external world is more subject to change- allowing them to explore external options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    The thing is since we are communicating online, which is an introverted place, the extroverted functions are less represented. So an ExxJ will be seen as someone in introverted perceiving mode most of the time and an IxxP will be seen as someone in introverted judgment mode most of the time. It's just what happens, I don't make the rules. I just enjoy breaking them, but they still remain.
    Eh, I'm not too sure about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    This might explain why Jag is such a crotchety old bastard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Potentially there might be a slight correlation but at the same time one does not equal the other. There are close-minded Ps and open-minded Js.
    Yeah, but open-mindedness might be a J's form of closure (i.e., myself) while close-mindedness might be a P's form of "openness" (echh... the worst -- this is what I hate about some Ps... they think they're open-minded, when, in fact, they're close-minded as shit).
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