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MBTI Types: Drive and Orientation

warick

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Now that I am thinking about it, there is a small pattern there... just about all the transwomen I've met are F's, while just about all the transmen I have met are T's. (My guess here is that the T/F gender bias impacts self-perception.)

If you could clarify for me please:
Is a transwoman a man that becomes a woman (and vice versa for transman)? If so, it makes sense to me. Men tend to act more like T's and women more like F's for social reasons. A man with a lot of F (and probably many other factors) may feel more comfortable as a woman (and vice verso for a transman).

A conservative ISTJ probably would be averse to promiscuity but I'm not a conservative so I'm willing to be a man ho as long as she fits the criteria...

I agree that they may control their desire if they have a social/moral reason to do so, but they probably still have that desire regardless their political/religious leanings.
 

Totenkindly

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If you could clarify for me please:
Is a transwoman a man that becomes a woman (and vice versa for transman)?

Yes, very good intuition. ;)

(Wiki covers the terms in more depth; sorry for not explaining better.)

If so, it makes sense to me. Men tend to act more like T's and women more like F's for social reasons.

The nurturing instinct created by estrogen also contributes, I'm thinking, to some degree... since F values invariably seem to be directly related to human relations. (Of course, high estrogen = correlated with being female. :) )
 

warick

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The nurturing instinct created by estrogen also contributes, I'm thinking, to some degree... since F values invariably seem to be directly related to human relations. (Of course, high estrogen = correlated with being female. :) )

I've heard (I think it was on TLC or something) that women exposed to high amounts of testosterone in the womb are more likely to be a tomboy and/or lesbian. The way you can tell if they were exposed to high amounts is if the ring finger is longer than the middle finger, it has a direct impact on the growth somehow. My wife was/is a tomboy and hers is longer. I know that's only one example, not very good proof but it's enough for me.:blush:
 

Totenkindly

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I've heard (I think it was on TLC or something) that women exposed to high amounts of testosterone in the womb are more likely to be a tomboy and/or lesbian. The way you can tell if they were exposed to high amounts is if the ring finger is longer than the middle finger, it has a direct impact on the growth somehow. My wife was/is a tomboy and hers is longer. I know that's only one example, not very good proof but it's enough for me.:blush:

The index/ring finger connection is being explored by many people nowadays; and it seems like testosterone impacts the ring finger's growth, although other variables are involved.

But it's interesting, isn't it, how all these things are interconnected?

They use that test over on the BBC Gender test (the link is posted around here somewhere)...
 

warick

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The index/ring finger connection is being explored by many people nowadays; and it seems like testosterone impacts the ring finger's growth, although other variables are involved.

But it's interesting, isn't it, how all these things are interconnected?

They use that test over on the BBC Gender test (the link is posted around here somewhere)...

I'm searching for that test right now, I got lost for ten minutes in the "non-religious arguments against homosexuality" thread. That's some interesting reading there.
[On a personal note, playtime is over. My shift is done and I have to go home, I'll be back tonight.]
 

Totenkindly

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:party2:

enjoy!

(and let us know how you come out... Well, if you want.)
 

substitute

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I don't think type has anything to do with sexuality. I'm bisexual myself, but I'm the only non-straight ENTP I've ever met. I also don't think I would even be bisexual if I hadn't lived most of my life in female role, being brainwashed and brainwashing myself into believing I'm supposed to be attracted to men. Since I changed sex, I've barely considered men in that way, and I never sincerely did beforehand.

Then again, terms such as 'bisexual', 'gay' and 'straight' only tend to mean anything if you have no gender issues. When you're neither entirely male nor female, then regardless of who you're attracted to, you're none of the above and yet all of them.
 

warick

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Found it here... :)

I'm half man, half woman. Just call me Pat.

Well I got 50/50, but this test isn't entirely objective. I probably would have done better on the spacial reasoning and words if it weren't past my bedtime (making me more manly). My INTJ'ness caused me to be more manly on the emotions and systemizing, but that isn't necessarily a manly thing IMO (or at least when you put it into the perspective of all the MBTI functions). Of course my INTJ'ness (I think) drove up my 'eyes' score (my ability to judge others emotions based on their eyes), making me more womanly and neutralizing my last score.
In spite of the various degrees of error, I would agree with the conclusion of this test, that I am less aggressive than most men, meaning a lower amount of testosterone. They say that more testosterone causes a higher sex drive though. I stated earlier I thought I had a strong sex drive, I'm curious as to how it may compare with other men. Of course, lower testosterone also means less chance of baldness, I guess there's a bit of good news for being a pansy.
 

CzeCze

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Lesbians on the other hand, I would go with xNTx, but I have even less experience with them, so that's just a guess.


:yim_rolling_on_the_

NT -- the cold, masculine type...

I think for queer women it's a little different because there isn't as much of an internal cultural pressure to express yourself a certain way. In trad gay men's culture, you're definitely encouraged to be 'flamboyant, bitchy, etc.' so you would EXPRESS perhaps like an ESFP(?) even though that is not your actual type. For queer women, unless you are trying to be stone butch, you can pretty much express your personality/sexuality any way and still be validated in your homo-ness. Just from my own experience as someone invested in a a queer/women's community, queer women really run the full spectrum of personality type and expression and I would guess a type spread similar to their straight counterparts.

Also, if you are "making a point" or else feel a need to be acitivist about your identity, of course it'll change the way you express it and are perceived by others. Is there a type for "IN YOUR FACE!?!?"

I think for transgendered people (I'm thinking more M-to-F here), there is usually a desire but definitely external pressure to conform to or express traditionally 'masculine' or 'feminine' traits so that would encourage one to act more F or or more T depending on how you want to be perceived and especially to pass.
 

GZA

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The index/ring finger connection is being explored by many people nowadays; and it seems like testosterone impacts the ring finger's growth, although other variables are involved.

But it's interesting, isn't it, how all these things are interconnected?

They use that test over on the BBC Gender test (the link is posted around here somewhere)...

For me, looking at the back of my hand, the ring finger is longer, but looking at the palm, the index appears bigger. I think they are about the same total... its interesting, though.

Another thing, apparently men with a counter clockwise twist in their scalp or more liekly to be gay, but I might be mixing that one up.
 

wildcat

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Recently, I have been considering something, although there is a reasonable chance that it is not type related:
What do you think is the relationship between MBTI type and sexuality--specifically speaking, orientation and sexual drive? Are certain types more prone to homosexuality, bisexuality, or transexuality then others? Secondly (I'm quite confident that this one is type related, though), what is the correlation between sexual drive and type? In your personal opinion, which type would be most sexually active, and which the least (perhaps even being asexual)? I have several of my own opinions on this matter, yet I would like first to observe the opinions others.
It is not that we could not discuss type and the sexual orientation in principle.


The first homosexual I met was a person I shared a class with.
We had forty students in our class.

He was effeminate.
And he was lucky not to be a schoolboy today.

A class is a shared room of study.
In my day the rule (=the code of solidarity) in private schools dictated that you did not bully a classmate.

The socialist politicians demolished all the schools.
The class system is history.
There exists no private schools any longer.

In the class system we had a solidarity within the group (=class).
Should someone try to bully another student this would be protected by his classmates.
You did not ask what was the pretext of the bully.

Unfortunately the school system today brings about intolerance.

An open net works in a closed field.
A closed net works in an open field.


The MBTI is a closed net. It works in an open field only.
 

Turbinado

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Most transsexuals (pre or post) I have talked to have usually been either S types or NFs (a higher than normal percentage of NFs, I think). I honestly have trouble remembering ever meeting an NT transsexual (well, except for substitute. :) )

Me... Sugarbooger on INTPc

Edit: Oh shit this is an old thread
 
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