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wildcat

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The subject looks upon the object.
Does the object look upon the subject?
The object reflects upon the subject.

The object does not look.
The subject does not reflect.

Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

Only if you choose a side.
 

dane

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Wildcat?

Can the subject then study itself objectively -
if so, is he then an object?

Will he never know if is he objective?
Can he ever delegate objectivity?

Subjective study, of itself as a subject - Who am I?
Subjective study, of itself as an object - What am I?
Objective study, of itself as a subject - Why am I?
Objective study, of itself as an object - I am.

Any sense at all?
 

FallsPioneer

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The subject looks upon the object.
Does the object look upon the subject?
The object reflects upon the subject.

The object does not look.
The subject does not reflect.

Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

Only if you choose a side.

Inherent impossibility of objectivity? Objectivity is still an interpretation....

Are you discussing perspective? Defining it?
 

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The subject looks upon the object.
Does the object look upon the subject?
The object reflects upon the subject.

The object does not look.
The subject does not reflect.

Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

Only if you choose a side.

Schroedinger's Wildcat.
 

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Copenhagen Convention Effect

Look v. Reflect

True Neutrality v. Bias

Having an opinion means ignoring truth
 

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Truth?

Quote:
Originally Posted by niffer View Post
Is it then that we live to guess?

wildcat: And here we have The First Prize Question.


N there we have it.

Then truth is where two subjects agree to meet.

So having an opinion does not mean ignoring truth.
 
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had wanted aelan to go first (competitive sisters hehe), but she doesn't seem to be on. :cry: so ok, elfie takes a first stab...

as per my PM answer to wildcat earlier:

perspective!

would be even more interesting if you added in 'ive' to subject and object--ie, subjective and objective. hehe.

ie, once a side (perspective) is chosen, there is no difference between a reflection and a look.

however, if the object remains an object (ie, objective), then that is a reflection, as it is an opinion taken without passing judgment. while if the subject remains a subject (ie, subjective), that is one who passes judgment.

hence, the answer is in two things:

1) it's a matter of perspective, and

2) the difference is in whether one passes judgment, or not. no judgment = distinction between a subject/look and object/reflection. judgment => no differentiation between a reflection and a look.

because to reflect is to do so impassively. it is to understand and accept, without judgment. To look is to do so hastily, and to pass a judgment.
 

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Which makes it untrue.
That's mine.

But pardon me.

All truths are untrue.


Agreement is not verity. Agreement is renunciation.

No need to pardon.

Our points agree.
 

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All truths are untrue.


Agreement is not verity. Agreement is renunciation.

No need to pardon.

Our points agree.
.

not really. agreement may simply be 'i'm choosing this side!'. :D

but yes. agreement is not verity. majority does not always make right.

and yes. no need to pardon. test your ideas! that's what mbtic is for. :party2:

PS: and dammit, night, i still think your death smiley avatar is cute. Gotta work on Fe...gotta work on Fe.... *sigh*
 

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Yet you said we were not discussing the same point.
That is, our disagreement lies in the use of "truth" and now, "agreement"?
Or have I missed your point completely.

Agreement, renunciation and truth.
Reflection.
 

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Yet you said we were not discussing the same point.
That is, our disagreement lies in the use of "truth" and now, "agreement"?
Or have I missed your point completely.

The subject looks upon the object.
Does the object look upon the subject?
The object reflects upon the subject.

The object does not look.
The subject does not reflect.

Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

Only if you choose a side.

My name is Legion, for we are many.
 

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The subject looks upon the object.
Does the object look upon the subject?
The object reflects upon the subject.

The object does not look.
The subject does not reflect.

Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

Only if you choose a side.

For many years people thought that the moon produced it's own light instead of reflecting that of the sun. A lot depends on what you know and where you stand ;)
 

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I believe quantum physics dictates that both are altered by observation.
 

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Wildcat?

Can the subject then study itself objectively -
if so, is he then an object?

Will he never know if is he objective?
Can he ever delegate objectivity?

Subjective study, of itself as a subject - Who am I?
Subjective study, of itself as an object - What am I?
Objective study, of itself as a subject - Why am I?
Objective study, of itself as an object - I am.

Any sense at all?
Very good..
with a little reservation

Does the railway station of Budapest say I am?
No?
Why?
The railway station does not think.
I think therefore I am.
Am I?

Who is the railway station of Budapest?
A creation of man.
Who is I?

Objective study, of itself as an object: Who is this guy?

Inherent impossibility of objectivity? Objectivity is still an interpretation....

Are you discussing perspective? Defining it?
Splendid.. and the detachment is the perspective.

To see through the I is to see.
Nothing sees through itself.
 
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dane

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Very good..
with a little reservation

Does the railway station of Budapest say I am?
No?
Why?
The railway station does not think.
I think therefore I am.
Am I?

Who is the railway station of Budapest?
A creation of man.
Who is I?

Objective study, of itself as an object: Who is this guy?


Ok, understood. And the object cannot think.
Thought is the response of memory - J. Krishna

Another thing:
The point in life is to take care of the young.
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Was that in jest?
 
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