P's advantages?

[Chloe]

...what do you think is there any advantage in being a P, ... except being more fun, spontaneous, easy-going and open-minded (I know those are real advantages but EXCEPT that!)... because when it comes to keeping job, not living in complete mess and clutter, have ANY plan and stick to it- it sounds like Js have much more advantages, and those are important stuff in todays world.
I know P can achieve much if is interested, but what about stuff we don't like so much but they are still a must.
The fact that I'm an ENFP and I dislike routine, any authority, any rules, social norms and so, doesn't stop the whole world functioning as it is so I still have to do it.
Is P sometimes (when strong) pure unresposibility in a bad way, lack of maturity?

 

[Engler]

With regards to functionality within society, Perceivers do not appear to have any distinct advantages, in contrast to Judgers.

However, outside of society, the Perceiver does have one significant advantage: adaptability. If a certain situation requires the individual to adapt spontaneously as needed, the Perceiver will probably outperform the Judger.

 

[Unique]

Time saving ability, tasks build up and can be completed all at once

Even mess built up is faster to clean rather than the "clean as you go" attitude that Js have in a lot of cases

Personally I see this the exact opposite, I've never seen the advantage of being J

Js always seem to have weird priorities to me... for example... at my old work my primary focus was the customer but some of the J managers question why you are doing something a certain way or "the way its not meant to be done", I'm being human not a drone of the system, I'm improvising, I'm helping the customer so that they aren't going to be angry

A J every now and then will tap into their P and improvise when things aren't going quite "as planned" (cause thats what Js hope... that things go to plan) but improvising doesn't come naturally to them this is where P shines the most

Being fun and easy going is just a bonus, we can be just as productive too

However good luck convincing anyone so... J dominates P in the world... I'm not sure if thats cause there are more Js or they are just better at getting people to do things their way but thats how it is

 

[Ace_]

I'm a J and I don't have any trouble improvising when things aren't going as planned. I'm actually great in that department. I had moments in high school when I was looking at my notebook like I was reading but actually I was making up my homework as I go. That never worked in math though, I'm not that smart.

 

[Unique]

I'm a J and I don't have any trouble improvising when things aren't going as planned. I'm actually great in that department. I had moments in high school when I was looking at my notebook like I was reading but actually I was making up my homework as I go. That never worked in math though, I'm not that smart.

NJs have much less trouble with improvising, in fact being intuitive they can become quite good at it, still no match for a P in that department though sorry haha

 

[garbage]

I dunno.. being able to relate pretty much anything to pretty much anything else makes people think that you're just some sort of superhuman productivity machine and a psychic. Noting similarities between new problems and ones you've faced before means that you've "almost" already dealt with many problems that you've never even seen before.

If following through isn't a problem, then you're a powerhouse.

 

[mortabunt]

...what do you think is there any advantage in being a P, ... except being more fun, spontaneous, easy-going and open-minded (I know those are real advantages but EXCEPT that!)... because when it comes to keeping job, not living in complete mess and clutter, have ANY plan and stick to it- it sounds like Js have much more advantages, and those are important stuff in todays world.
I know P can achieve much if is interested, but what about stuff we don't like so much but they are still a must.
The fact that I'm an ENFP and I dislike routine, any authority, any rules, social norms and so, doesn't stop the whole world functioning as it is so I still have to do it.
Is P sometimes (when strong) pure unresposibility in a bad way, lack of maturity?

1. The only advantage to being a P is adaptability. It's why I do some things that my ISTJ brother won't.
2. J's have huge advantages, because the world likes decisive.
3. Strong P is seen as immaturity.

 

[Asterion]

...what do you think is there any advantage in being a P, ... except being more fun, spontaneous, easy-going and open-minded (I know those are real advantages but EXCEPT that!)... because when it comes to keeping job, not living in complete mess and clutter, have ANY plan and stick to it- it sounds like Js have much more advantages, and those are important stuff in todays world.
I know P can achieve much if is interested, but what about stuff we don't like so much but they are still a must.
The fact that I'm an ENFP and I dislike routine, any authority, any rules, social norms and so, doesn't stop the whole world functioning as it is so I still have to do it.
Is P sometimes (when strong) pure unresposibility in a bad way, lack of maturity?

Ps are much more creative than Js, they can come up with innovative solutions to problems that a J could never comprehend, combined with flexibility when making decisions and a greater ability to improvise under strenuous circumstances, Ps are definitely worthy adversaries to their J counterparts.

One thing I noted in a movie called Underworld 3: Rise of the Lycans, was that the head of the vampires, an ESTJ, was very efficient at his job, and ruled in a classy iron fist style. However, when his daughter betrayed him, his supreme Te forces lead him to kill her, and afterward he cried his little vampiric eyes out. If he was more of a P, he may have changed those deeply set rules and saved his daughter. Here we see that J can be a terrible thing to have, do you really want to be that dull ESTJ leader who sacrifices their happiness for stupid rules? Js have weaknesses, you just have to find them

 

[NewEra]

I've personally noticed how useful it is to be a J in the working world, especially a J with high Te. I would think P's are more fit for casual life, the adaptability of daily situations if they're different. And P's are not as rigid so that could help in the workplace. It does depend on the work but overall, J's have a much bigger advantage in school and the working world, no question about it.

 

[Asterion]

I've personally noticed how useful it is to be a J in the working world, especially a J with high Te. I would think P's are more fit for casual life, the adaptability of daily situations if they're different. And P's are not as rigid so that could help in the workplace. It does depend on the work but overall, J's have a much bigger advantage in school and the working world, no question about it.

The general corporate working world yes? there's more than just one face on this dice. Ps are probably much better suited to creative pursuits, becoming rockstars and famous artists. Extroverts also tend to have more trouble with schooling, I know an ISTP that is very capable of doing schoolwork, INTPs are the same, they can all get things done because of their supreme cleverness . From what I gather you, Chloeeeee, being an ENFP, are finding it hard to be disciplined enough to work through your university course. Think of what you are trying to achieve by going through university, if you can keep that in mind, you'll probably find enough motivation to finish. There are plenty of benefits involved with being an ENFP, as there are for any type, you're just going to have to focus more on your weakness

 

[NewEra]

The general corporate working world yes? there's more than just one face on this dice. Ps are probably much better suited to creative pursuits, becoming rockstars and famous artists.

Yeah, like I said, it does depend on the work. Like you said, Ps would be better at artistic/creative pursuits. But overall in this world, the desk/office/corporate/brute force jobs which Js are better at far outnumber the creative/artistic/performing/spontaneous jobs that Ps would be better at.

 

[garbage]

Yeah, like I said, it does depend on the work. Like you said, Ps would be better at artistic/creative pursuits. But overall in this world, the desk/office/corporate/brute force jobs which Js are better at far outnumber the creative/artistic/performing/spontaneous jobs that Ps would be better at.

This is probably true.

I've worked "typical" industry jobs before, and each and every one has made me want to stab myself. Luckily, I've found an "industry-like" creative pursuit through a career as a researcher; it's worked out pretty well so far.

 

[NewEra]

This is probably true.

I've worked "typical" industry jobs before, and each and every one has made me want to stab myself. Luckily, I've found an "industry-like" creative pursuit through a career as a researcher; it's worked out pretty well so far.

Yeah, funny thing is I can do the boring work which most other people don't like. I don't care how boring it is, if it's not an interactive job, then I can do it all day and I'll do a good job.

 

[Asterion]

Yeah, like I said, it does depend on the work. Like you said, Ps would be better at artistic/creative pursuits. But overall in this world, the desk/office/corporate/brute force jobs which Js are better at far outnumber the creative/artistic/performing/spontaneous jobs that Ps would be better at.

You'd think that they would be limitless, given that you could just spontaneously start a band and become huge over night. But there is also creativity within mathematics and other problem solving disciplines, even in the corporate workplace, it is quite possible for you to be creative when making decisions, you could be the one who does the unexpected and is suddenly promoted, whereas a J spent half their lives hacking away at the system, and slowly but surely earn the very same position. The thing is, with P, you take a bit of a risk, you could end up utterly useless, nobody will hire you because you can't stay focused and dislike routine work and whatever, but you may have the winning numbers stored within yourself that will get you to where you want, and it wont take half as much effort. it's a case of rockstar versus CEO. Both sides win, they just have a different approach. Personally, I like the chaotic aspect of the P

 

[Chloe]

From what I gather you, Chloeeeee, being an ENFP, are finding it hard to be disciplined enough to work through your university course. Think of what you are trying to achieve by going through university, if you can keep that in mind, you'll probably find enough motivation to finish. There are plenty of benefits involved with being an ENFP, as there are for any type, you're just going to have to focus more on your weakness

Well, that is actually the problem /point; Ps must have -at least in my case - huge motivation for anything they do, and life don't function always that way. I don't know what I'm trying to achieve studying medicine because I currently don't like it that much - so I have no big motivation. But J would be decisive and ask less questions; just have a goal to finish it and stuff.
Of course if I have important motive I can be productful as J, but as I said, it's rarely like that.

This is probably true.

I've worked "typical" industry jobs before, and each and every one has made me want to stab myself. Luckily, I've found an "industry-like" creative pursuit through a career as a researcher; it's worked out pretty well so far.

if it's not a secret - what do you do?

Yeah, funny thing is I can do the boring work which most other people don't like. I don't care how boring it is, if it's not an interactive job, then I can do it all day and I'll do a good job.

Oh, I'm so jelous at you, really.

You'd think that they would be limitless, given that you could just spontaneously start a band and become huge over night. But there is also creativity within mathematics and other problem solving disciplines, even in the corporate workplace, it is quite possible for you to be creative when making decisions, you could be the one who does the unexpected and is suddenly promoted, whereas a J spent half their lives hacking away at the system, and slowly but surely earn the very same position. The thing is, with P, you take a bit of a risk, you could end up utterly useless, nobody will hire you because you can't stay focused and dislike routine work and whatever, but you may have the winning numbers stored within yourself that will get you to where you want, and it wont take half as much effort. it's a case of rockstar versus CEO. Both sides win, they just have a different approach. Personally, I like the chaotic aspect of the P

Yeah, but you're looking at this too idealisticly, because such scenario happens 1 out of 10 times.
And this is only in some carriers, in some other you just have to be hard working to succeed, like in medicine. Creativity can help but hard working and not asking many questions at begining is more important... maybe in science is okay to be P, but surprisingly I'm not that into science either.

I enjoyed actually one class this academic year, it was physiology, but I got bored with it after 3 weeks. :/

 

[Asterion]

Yeah, but you're looking at this too idealisticly, because such scenario happens 1 out of 10 times.
And this is only in some carriers, in some other you just have to be hard working to succeed, like in medicine. Creativity can help but hard working and not asking many questions at begining is more important... maybe in science is okay to be P, but surprisingly I'm not that into science either.

I enjoyed actually one class this academic year, it was physiology, but I got bored with it after 3 weeks. :/

There is a huge variety of opportunities to be creative, when you walk down the street, you could do it backwards just to see what happens. You don't know what could possibly come about from doing that, you might be caught by a secret camera and end up on the news. I admit, the opportunity doesn't come along very often, but it's just like going to the casino, or placing bets on horses or whatever animal suits your fancy.

Okay, here's a scenario for you. There are a whole heap of chemicals sitting about on a shelf, your J friend knows that it is against the rules to play with chemicals, or experiment on patients (more likely with a TP ). You on the other hand, love to play with things, and you go and mix a few of them up. The resultant mix turns out to be a cure for cancer

... okay that was a terrible example... , I think I just got a bit carried away...

I'm finding this hard to actually explain... alright, say you go to a casino with a J friend, they decided to keep their well earned cash and stick with what they find to be familiar, you decide that you want to risk it all, so you risk, risk away. At the end of the night, you could have more money, or less money than your J counterpart, but in the long run your winnings and losings balance out, you've both likely arrived at the same place, you just traversed upon a different path.

Being a Perceiver is naturally more risky, but in the grand scheme of things, you'll find that it's worth it overall. Now what the hell am I arguing about here...

oh, and btw, I think you mean optimistically. By definition, that was an optimistic approach, considering the glass is half full.
Optimism: A tendency to expect the best possible outcome or dwell on the most hopeful aspects of a situation: “There is a touch of optimism in every worry about one's own moral cleanliness”
Idealism: 1. The act or practice of envisioning things in an ideal form.
2. Pursuit of one's ideals.
3. Idealized treatment of a subject in literature or art.
4. Philosophy. The theory that the object of external perception, in itself or as perceived, consists of ideas.
Realism: An inclination toward literal truth and pragmatism.

It seems like idealism is just a deluded version of optimism though...

 

[simulatedworld]

With regards to functionality within society, Perceivers do not appear to have any distinct advantages, in contrast to Judgers.

However, outside of society, the Perceiver does have one significant advantage: adaptability. If a certain situation requires the individual to adapt spontaneously as needed, the Perceiver will probably outperform the Judger.

That's true.

But being a P does kind of suck a lot of the time.

In practice, sometimes it seems like the only real advantage is in not pissing off other Ps.

 

[Engler]

That's true.

But being a P does kind of suck a lot of the time.

In practice, sometimes it seems like the only real advantage is in not pissing off other Ps.

The issue with spontaneous adaptability is that, in today's society, it is becoming increasingly less necessary.

And, unfortunately, most Perceivers spend their time operating within the confines of society, doing jobs fit for more routine-oriented individuals (such as Judgers).

Welcome to the world of "Become a J, or go away."

 

[garbage]

if it's not a secret - what do you do?

My technical work is simulation, though my job involves a lot more than just technical work. Mostly cognitive science, but some "technical" engineering, software engineering, and business applications. I can also rightly say that I've done rocket science and became bored of it

Yeah, funny thing is I can do the boring work which most other people don't like. I don't care how boring it is, if it's not an interactive job, then I can do it all day and I'll do a good job.

Wow.. this is about the exact opposite for me. I thrive on interactivity and novelty, and I wilt when I don't have it.

The issue with spontaneous adaptability is that, in today's society, it is becoming increasingly less necessary.

And, unfortunately, most Perceivers spend their time operating within the confines of society, doing jobs fit for more routine-oriented individuals (such as Judgers).

Welcome to the world of "Become a J, or go away."

Overarching bureaucracy can be devastating to small teams. At times, it's up to those who can find loopholes in the regulations and procedures to exploit them, thus pressing the group forward in the direction that it needs to go.

You're always going to need a degree of adaptability. What if there's an unforeseen flaw in some project's grandiose master plan? Who's going to freeze up, and who's going to be able to move forward unhinged because they've found a way to move forward quickly and easily? These situations arise time and time again, and I don't see them going away anytime soon.

 

[Engler]

My technical work is simulation, though my job involves a lot more than just technical work. Mostly cognitive science, but some "technical" engineering, software engineering, and business applications. I can also rightly say that I've done rocket science and became bored of it



Wow.. this is about the exact opposite for me. I thrive on interactivity and novelty, and I wilt when I don't have it.



Overarching bureaucracy can be devastating to small teams. At times, it's up to those who can find loopholes in the regulations and procedures to exploit them, thus pressing the group forward in the direction that it needs to go.

You're always going to need a degree of adaptability. What if there's an unforeseen flaw in some project's grandiose master plan? Who's going to freeze up, and who's going to be able to move forward unhinged because they've found a way to move forward quickly and easily? These situations arise time and time again, and I don't see them going away anytime soon.

While such situations will (and do) inevitably arise, can you not also agree that, as the ability to predict events before they occur increases, the amount of situations in which immediate adaptability is necessary decreases?

Of course, as an added note, as we come to rely more and more upon technology, a technological crash becomes all the more devastating. In the event of such a crash, it is true that only those capable of adaptation would survive.