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What is the very first thing you notice about a person indicating they're a J or a P?

Kristiana

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Tone of voice. J's tend to sound more definite, and P's tend to sound more laid-back and tentative.
 

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Tone of voice. J's tend to sound more definite, and P's tend to sound more laid-back and tentative.

What do you mean by tentative... In the sense that they doubt their words or that they are experimenting?
 
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Tone of voice and inflection, yeah :yes:

Phrases like "it is what it is" and "we'll just have to wait see"? P.

Phrases like "that's just ..." and "you're going to have to tell me now if you're coming up in May because we're really busy and have the next--let me check my Google Calendar--six months practically booked, and the first weekend in May is the only one we have available right now, but that could change soon if you don't tell me now"? J.
 

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Almost like a stereotype you associate with J or P that you maybe use to predict someone's type. Are there attitudes or gestures associated with P and J that maybe aren't completely associated and that wouldn't seem like they would be, to everyone. Dumb example... but I associate carrots or bananas with women... like that man is holding a carrot, so he must be gay. Ok I'm kidding, unfortunatly.

This can go for other preferences (don't say E/I, too obvious, like N, S, T, F), and it can't be directly associated. You can't say the first thing you notice about Js is that they're decisive. You have to be weird when you talk to me.


S = Being able to enjoy the here and now for what it is.

N = Trying to figure out how the here and now is connected to the past, future, what could be if not X but Z, and the color magenta...

:D
 

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Tone of voice and inflection, yeah :yes:

Phrases like "it is what it is" and "we'll just have to wait see"? P.

Phrases like "that's just ..." and "you're going to have to tell me now if you're coming up in May because we're really busy and have the next--let me check my Google Calendar--six months practically booked, and the first weekend in May is the only one we have available right now, but that could change soon if you don't tell me now"? J.

Hey not all Js are that clerical. :(
 

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Their gaze... a J's seems more purposeful to me and directed.. a P's is kind of a bit more zoned out
 

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One thing that sticks out for me, Ps give more examples in their speech, in reference to their likely more developed visual brain (right side.) That can be a first indication, though not always a correct one. Many Js are right-brained.
 

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I think reactions to sudden changes in plan is something I notice. A J needs time to process how this change will impact how their day unfolds. Generally, the reaction is a wary, tentative one. Even if the weather isn't what is expected.
 

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I think reactions to sudden changes in plan is something I notice. A J needs time to process how this change will impact how their day unfolds. Generally, the reaction is a wary, tentative one. Even if the weather isn't what is expected.

Then again are you sure Ps are really processing anything by reacting so quickly...
 

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how decided they are about something
how quickly they come to decisions
relaxed or not
whether they thrive on closure or letting things be
 

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Then again are you sure Ps are really processing anything by reacting so quickly...

I don't think P's necessarily react quickly ... I think P's are less affected somehow by these changes? Adaptation is a better word.
 

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Their gaze... a J's seems more purposeful to me and directed.. a P's is kind of a bit more zoned out
That is true for me, more so being NP?! :D

People sometimes ask me, "Are you looking for something? You seem kinda lost.." Hey! :thumbdown::shocking::ohmy:
 
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What do you mean by tentative... In the sense that they doubt their words or that they are experimenting?

I think you are projecting.

1. The only way a P would doubt his words is if he acted more definite than his understanding allowed him to be. In other words, if he pretended to be a J.

2. Just because someone makes a tentative statement that doesn't mean they think that the present context is going to offer something less tentative.

Ps tend to be the most comfortable making tentative statements. Just like Js are the most comfortable making definite statements. The idea here isn't that we're all the same exact people making different decisions.
 

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I think you are projecting.

1. The only way a P would doubt his words is if he acted more definite than his understanding allowed him to be. In other words, if he pretended to be a J.

2. Just because someone makes a tentative statement that doesn't mean they think that the present context is going to offer something less tentative.

Ps tend to be the most comfortable making tentative statements. Just like Js are the most comfortable making definite statements. The idea here isn't that we're all the same exact people making different decisions.

Both can be bluffing, depending on their mode of operation and the context of the interaction, right? Isn't some of this a matter of delivery, or are you referring to inner belief of the statement at hand? Good thought! :D
 
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