Eric B
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I had been thinking how useful it would be to have names for the four pairs of processes that work in tandem in the function order, since they are so integral to our type, and we resonate better with other types who have them in common. It's also useful for sorting through processes detected in tests like the CP test or my own "Lucky Eight" match game http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...tb-s-ultimate-lucky-eight-archetype-test.html, when they end up all out of order, yet the person does appear to prefer one tandem over another.
Even though the tandems consist of diametrically opposite functions (opposite mode of either perceiving or decision making, with opposite attitude), and if they're on the spine, with one inferior and undeveloped; they nevertheless, as one person has put it, "like ladies' earrings" where one always follows the other.
So to come up with names, I had to think of the common theme of each tandem. I looked into making up new words, existing words, acronyms, etc. I wanted simple one word descriptors. I found some existing words, and had to put together Latin roots for a couple of others.
So to make a long process short, I looked at these definitions of the functions:
Se: EXPERIENCE The experience
Si: RELIVE The experience
Ne: CONCEIVE FROM The experience
Ni: ANTICIPATE The experience
Te: ORGANIZE The experience
Ti: ANALYZE The experience
Fe: RELATE TO The experience
Fi: EVALUATE The experience
So to pair them together:
Se/Ni: experience + anticipate = prostatospective (pro "forward", stat "stand"; also considered "aspective" simply "to look")
You deal in the now and forward
Ne/Si: relive + conceive from = circumspective (to look around). You look around both to the past, and to all the possibilities in the present. Much less about the "here and now". Possibilities are known from past experience, so the two functions naturally work together.
Te/Fi: evaluate + organize = systemic (short for "systemiorational", since "systemic" can be confusing because of its commonality)
This is one of the ones that really got me thinking of this. Like in the political debates. This is obviously a very Te society. Yet Fi seems to be a bit more suited to it. I think of the dominant "organizing" forces, which organize things to be efficient, with themselves as the main beneficiaries, and despite the rest of the economy (and thus are very much into what is important to themselves). Then you will have apparently diametric opposite Fi types (like Joe the Plumber), who look up to them, and oppose government intrusion because it violates their value that a person should keep whatever they "earned" (begs the question of whether they really earned all of it, but that's another story). In these tough times, they'll even say "we all decided what was important and made our choice what to be in life (to climb the ladder to the top, or to take an easier road and have less), so we should live with it and don't whine or expect to be given handouts". I look at the whole finance issue as lopsided, and such statements ignoring a lot of factors, and I being stuck in this mess with so many others being passive like that, and the term that comes to mind is "The System". To be fair, on the liberal side, others will speak out against this from their Fi and then organize demonstrations or whatever. This is would be basically an attempt at an opposing "system".
So the common theme of Te/Fi seems to be "system". Te aggressively "leads" in "organizing", and Fi seems more passive, but is nevertheless still supporting the system with its valuing. You evaluate what's important, and then go build on it.
Fe/Ti: analyze + relate to = harmonic (short for "harmoniorational")
Inbetween the directiveness or informativeness of the other J tandem, Ti and Fe aren't as much about systems. Ti analyzes to find underlying principles, and then build theoretical models to solve problems, such as finding common denominators, harmonizing, clarifying, and hoping to find the simplest formula that can explain the universe.
Fe of course builds interpersonal connections. So it seems different types of "harmony" are the common theme of this pair.
Of course, some of these terms may seem ambiguous. You can look at TiFe as building "systems" (theoretical or social), and of course, Fi is connected with "harmony"; but that is inner harmony. You could even stretch it and call Te's "efficiency" a kind of "harmony". But "system" is a better fit for that one. The terms thus tend to lean toward what is extraverted (shown to the outer world) of the two.
Surprised nobody ever named these. TypeInsights named the tandem positions (1/4 spine; 2/3 "arm", which are called "rational" or "irrational" depending on whether they are occupied by J or P functions), but the actual processes occupying them would be useful as well. You can even be more specific and use these new terms with those names.
So when I look for the best-fit preferences for the supposed "NiTi" types, who often weigh between INTP and INFJ, I can now say that Evan, for instance, has an obvious "prostatospective" preference, since Ni and Se are high, and Ne is low. So INTP is very unlikely, though he looks like it because of the Ti + abstract focus. I can then suggest another prostatospective type into the mix, ISTP. (It was doing that thread that made me finally decide to come up with the names today).
When discussing type matches between an NFP and NTP, we can say "you're both 'circumspective' types, so you'll 'perceive things the same way'".
Each pair of three letter Intelligence type can be addressed by their tandem pairs:
SFP/NTJ: "prostatospective systemicists"
STP/NFJ" "prostatospective harmonicists"
STJ/NFP: "circumspective systematicists"
SFJ/NTP: "circumspective harmonicists"
So what do you all think?
Even though the tandems consist of diametrically opposite functions (opposite mode of either perceiving or decision making, with opposite attitude), and if they're on the spine, with one inferior and undeveloped; they nevertheless, as one person has put it, "like ladies' earrings" where one always follows the other.
So to come up with names, I had to think of the common theme of each tandem. I looked into making up new words, existing words, acronyms, etc. I wanted simple one word descriptors. I found some existing words, and had to put together Latin roots for a couple of others.
So to make a long process short, I looked at these definitions of the functions:
Se: EXPERIENCE The experience
Si: RELIVE The experience
Ne: CONCEIVE FROM The experience
Ni: ANTICIPATE The experience
Te: ORGANIZE The experience
Ti: ANALYZE The experience
Fe: RELATE TO The experience
Fi: EVALUATE The experience
So to pair them together:
Se/Ni: experience + anticipate = prostatospective (pro "forward", stat "stand"; also considered "aspective" simply "to look")
You deal in the now and forward
Ne/Si: relive + conceive from = circumspective (to look around). You look around both to the past, and to all the possibilities in the present. Much less about the "here and now". Possibilities are known from past experience, so the two functions naturally work together.
Te/Fi: evaluate + organize = systemic (short for "systemiorational", since "systemic" can be confusing because of its commonality)
This is one of the ones that really got me thinking of this. Like in the political debates. This is obviously a very Te society. Yet Fi seems to be a bit more suited to it. I think of the dominant "organizing" forces, which organize things to be efficient, with themselves as the main beneficiaries, and despite the rest of the economy (and thus are very much into what is important to themselves). Then you will have apparently diametric opposite Fi types (like Joe the Plumber), who look up to them, and oppose government intrusion because it violates their value that a person should keep whatever they "earned" (begs the question of whether they really earned all of it, but that's another story). In these tough times, they'll even say "we all decided what was important and made our choice what to be in life (to climb the ladder to the top, or to take an easier road and have less), so we should live with it and don't whine or expect to be given handouts". I look at the whole finance issue as lopsided, and such statements ignoring a lot of factors, and I being stuck in this mess with so many others being passive like that, and the term that comes to mind is "The System". To be fair, on the liberal side, others will speak out against this from their Fi and then organize demonstrations or whatever. This is would be basically an attempt at an opposing "system".
So the common theme of Te/Fi seems to be "system". Te aggressively "leads" in "organizing", and Fi seems more passive, but is nevertheless still supporting the system with its valuing. You evaluate what's important, and then go build on it.
Fe/Ti: analyze + relate to = harmonic (short for "harmoniorational")
Inbetween the directiveness or informativeness of the other J tandem, Ti and Fe aren't as much about systems. Ti analyzes to find underlying principles, and then build theoretical models to solve problems, such as finding common denominators, harmonizing, clarifying, and hoping to find the simplest formula that can explain the universe.
Fe of course builds interpersonal connections. So it seems different types of "harmony" are the common theme of this pair.
Of course, some of these terms may seem ambiguous. You can look at TiFe as building "systems" (theoretical or social), and of course, Fi is connected with "harmony"; but that is inner harmony. You could even stretch it and call Te's "efficiency" a kind of "harmony". But "system" is a better fit for that one. The terms thus tend to lean toward what is extraverted (shown to the outer world) of the two.
Surprised nobody ever named these. TypeInsights named the tandem positions (1/4 spine; 2/3 "arm", which are called "rational" or "irrational" depending on whether they are occupied by J or P functions), but the actual processes occupying them would be useful as well. You can even be more specific and use these new terms with those names.
So when I look for the best-fit preferences for the supposed "NiTi" types, who often weigh between INTP and INFJ, I can now say that Evan, for instance, has an obvious "prostatospective" preference, since Ni and Se are high, and Ne is low. So INTP is very unlikely, though he looks like it because of the Ti + abstract focus. I can then suggest another prostatospective type into the mix, ISTP. (It was doing that thread that made me finally decide to come up with the names today).
When discussing type matches between an NFP and NTP, we can say "you're both 'circumspective' types, so you'll 'perceive things the same way'".
Each pair of three letter Intelligence type can be addressed by their tandem pairs:
SFP/NTJ: "prostatospective systemicists"
STP/NFJ" "prostatospective harmonicists"
STJ/NFP: "circumspective systematicists"
SFJ/NTP: "circumspective harmonicists"
So what do you all think?
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I wanted simply "prospective", but that means "seeing forward", and thus would be a good descriptive of Ni, but not really Se. I wanted a word that covers both the here and now, as well as moving forward. Hence, adding "-stat-". I'll continue to think of something better. 
(Beyond, it's pronounced "stat", not "state"!) 
