If Ti takes things apart, Fi...

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evaluates situations subjectively?
applies one's morals?
represents core values?

Yeah, it is interesting to think about the core essence of these functions.. maybe this attempt to define is the Te in me talking

Here is a reference of other attempts to capture Fi from the Socionics standpoint.

 

[Jack Flak]

I want everyone to fill in the blank for my analogy as short and concise as possible. See above edit.

So..."If Ti takes things apart, then Fi..." Okay. Ti doesn't take things apart, it creates (Te takes things apart). So, what does Fi not do...It doesn't power submarines. Therefore,

"If Ti takes things apart, then Fi powers submarines."

 

[Noel]

So..."If Ti takes things apart, then Fi..." Okay. Ti doesn't take things apart, it creates (Te takes things apart). So, what does Fi not do...It doesn't power submarines. Therefore,

"If Ti takes things apart, then Fi powers submarines."

Really? I'm curious because I've heard the contrary for some time. I'd love for people to prove me wrong here.

 

[Jack Flak]

Really? I'm curious because I've heard the contrary for some time. I'd love for people to prove me wrong here.

It's all in here.
Classics in the History of Psychology -- Jung (1921/1923) Chapter 10

What you've observed over and over again is distortion. If people are led to believe they are, say, Ti dominant, then they will explain Ti simply as how they operate. People are haphazard. I've made such mistakes in the past.

 

[Noel]

It's all in here.
Classics in the History of Psychology -- Jung (1921/1923) Chapter 10

What you've observed over and over again is distortion. If people are led to believe they are, say, Ti dominant, then they will explain Ti simply as how they operate. People are haphazard. I've made such mistakes in the past.

Ok, I believe I fully comprehend you now. Jungian Functions and MBTI are mutually exclusive. Correct?

 

[Noel]

Fi sifts virtue's substance.

 

[Siegfried]

evaluates situations subjectively?
applies one's morals?
represents core values?

Yeah, it is interesting to think about the core essence of these functions.. maybe this attempt to define is the Te in me talking

Here is a reference of other attempts to capture Fi from the Socionics standpoint.

Interesting to see the linguistic perspective from socionics. I have to read more up on that standpoint, from what segments I've read it seems to hold its own relative to MBTI.

Fi sifts virtue's substance.

Hmm, I found that quite dramatic at first, but reflecting on it, its not a bad defintion


"Fi clarifies intrapersonal virtues"?

 

[Noel]

Hmm, I found that quite dramatic at first, but reflecting on it, its not a bad definition For me it would be something like "Fi organizes interpersonal virtues".

Hmm. I chose virtue in my example along the lines of Aristotle's definition of Virtue. Interesting.

Main Entry: virtue
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: honor, integrity
Synonyms: advantage, asset, character, charity, chastity, consideration, credit, ethic, ethicality, ethicalness, excellence, faith, faithfulness, fineness, fortitude, generosity, goodness, good point, high-mindedness, hope, ideal, incorruptibility, innocence, justice, kindness, love, merit, morality, probity, prudence, purity, quality, rectitude, respectability, righteousness, temper, temperance, trustworthiness, uprightness, value, worth, worthiness
Antonyms: dishonor, evil, immorality, vice


Keep 'em coming!

 

[Eric B]

I think the "deconstruction" is more a product of logic itself, than of an introverted function. So Fi probably does not parallel that apsect of it. Te constructs, and Ti deconstructs in understanding the principles of how it works. Feeling is not about structures, per-se, except for perhaps relationships, yet since it is ethics and not logic, those structures are not handled the same way as logical ones.

 

[Noel]

Two more:

Substance is Essence
Makes intrapersonal virtues

The more I think about it, virtue seems best suited for covering such an expansive geographic environment of 'feelings.'

 

[Siegfried]

I think the "deconstruction" is more a product of logic itself, than of an introverted function. So Fi probably does not parallel that apsect of it. Te constructs, and Ti deconstructs in understanding the principles of how it works. Feeling is not about structures, per-se, except for perhaps relationships, yet since it is ethics and not logic, those sructures are not handled the same way as logical ones.

Hmm, on that basis would this definition be more accurate..?



"Fi is subjective formulation of intrapersonal values"

 

[Amargith]

..determines their validity for the person using Fi?

 

[Athenian200]

...constructs personal values?

 

[Noel]

I think the "deconstruction" is more a product of logic itself, than of an introverted function. So Fi probably does not parallel that apsect of it. Te constructs, and Ti deconstructs in understanding the principles of how it works. Feeling is not about structures, per-se, except for perhaps relationships, yet since it is ethics and not logic, those sructures are not handled the same way as logical ones.

Interesting. Your paragraph aroused a thought in my brain: Ethical through Logic; Logical through Ethics. As to whether or not you implied that, I read it as such. I think it's rational to live virtuously. They're separate entities yet share a symbiotic relationship.

 

[Siegfried]

Interesting. Your paragraph aroused a thought in my brain: Ethical through Logic; Logical through Ethics. As to whether or not you implied that, I read it as such. I think it's rational to live virtuously. They're separate entities yet share a symbiotic relationship.

It also has to be considered that Fi will be utilised by different types uniquely relative to their cognitive processes no?, i.e INTJ's Fi is tertiary and will be subject to the agenda of first Ni, Te, say compared to INFP, where it is dominant, but that is a question for another time, since we're dealing with, just defining Fi in terms of the Jungian functions.

 

[Noel]

It also has to be considered that Fi will be utilised by different types relative to their cognitive processes no?, i.e INTJ's Fi is tertiary and will be subject to the agenda of first Ni, Te, say compared to INFP, where it is dominant, but that might be a question for another time.

Indeed.

Considering how this thread started off pretty shaky, I'd say anything Fi related discussion which pertains to a formulation of a definition (through the eyes of certain types) is fine by me. If that topic seems to catch more interest, I can just change the title of the thread. Perhaps, if that route is preferred, then maybe we could reexamine the original 'original' OP.

 

[Siegfried]

Indeed.

Considering how this thread started off pretty shaky, I'd say anything Fi related discussion which pertains to a formulation of a definition (through the eyes of certain types) is fine by me. If that topic seems to catch more interest, I can just change the title of the thread. Perhaps, if that route is preferred, then maybe we could reexamine the original 'original' OP.

That could provide more insight into how Fi functions, sure. A generalised definition of Fi is possible to approximate, but often people will discuss how Fi is utilised by them, in accordance with their cognitive processes. It is based inherently on intrapersonal, subjective feeling, so a logically translatable definition like Ti for Fi may not be as categorisable.

 

[VagrantFarce]

values the individual?

 

[Neo Genesis]

dreams.

 

[BlueScreen]

Fi deconstructs a situation from the inside. Rather than standing back and looking at the system like Ti, Fi throws you in the middle of it to understand it. Combined with Ne scenarios and consequences all play out. What it is like to be others in the situation plays out. It can be a crazy mix. And it happens insanely quickly.

It can sometimes be called subjective or rigid, or emotional. But the reason it appears this way is just a consequence of what it is. It is far easier to ignore what isn't staring you in the face. And I think this is the cause of most types gripes about things. That it is more clear and present to them, and unignorable, whereas for other types it might be just one of the things to consider.