can Introverts ever beat Extroverts in being 'social' ?

[Ishida]

extroversion is a myth. Extroverts are probably not even aware of the extrovert introvert classification. It is probably just a word invented by introverts (people who don't talk alot and feel left out).


There are people who like to divide people into categories, and there are those that don't.

Define Extroversion...
And in that process explain why it is a myth, and why you provide nothing but a pathetic insult at introverts?

 

[mlittrell]

extroversion and introversion dont necessarily have to do with being social. they have to do with where you direct your energy the most, inward or outward. now naturally, according to the definition, extroverts are going to direct their energy (i hope people dont mind the use of this word) outward more and thus it has an effect on how social they might be and vice versa with introverts, but that doesn't necessarily imply that they are going to be moreso then an introvert at any given point in time. if an introvert grows up in an extroverted family and an extrovert grows in up an introverted family (me) that introvert might blow the extrovert out of the water, BUT the extrovert will still direct their energy outwards (and get energy from the outside world) and the introvert will still direct their energy inwards (and get energy from their inner personal world). so basically what im trying to get at is though introversion/extroversion may affect how social one is, they dont necessarily equal/define how social one might be.

 

[entropie]

I agree with mlittrell.

The thing is even a very private and introvert personality, who has made up his mind about how society works and how especially his friends like to be seen, can be a social butterfly, because he knows things. While an extravert could be constantly in the position of bouncing of ideas or seeking confirmation to ratify his perceptions or conclusions about others.

In my opinion the Introvert and Extrovert thing according to social behaviour is a too general and too easy definition of a much more fine tuned subject. Antisocial behaviour can result of various traits and habits, but it cant be explained by just saying someone is introvert.

That would be like only watching indoor chess and claiming one to be a sports fan.

 

[mlittrell]

quite well stated ^

social butterfly... that sounds familiar... is that from keirsey

 

[raz]

I agree with mlittrell.

The thing is even a very private and introvert personality, who has made up his mind about how society works and how especially his friends like to be seen, can be a social butterfly, because he knows things. While an extravert could be constantly in the position of bouncing of ideas or seeking confirmation to ratify his perceptions or conclusions about others.

In my opinion the Introvert and Extrovert thing according to social behaviour is a too general and too easy definition of a much more fine tuned subject. Antisocial behaviour can result of various traits and habits, but it cant be explained by just saying someone is introvert.

That would be like only watching indoor chess and claiming one to be a sports fan.

Well, it's like seeing the people in crowds that can just talk and talk and talk and talk, but then there's the person in the crowd who is very quiet. That one person, when the crowd was just 2-3 people was very talkative, but is now remaining distant to everyone else.

 

[Ezion]

extroversion and introversion dont necessarily have to do with being social. they have to do with where you direct your energy the most, inward or outward.

QFT. Introverts can be quite charismatic and charming, but it tends to wear them down. I've met a few extraverts that were extremely uncharismatic, to the point of being blatantly annoying to everyone around them. While I'm no charismatic dynamo, I believe I've met a few extraverts that I would consider less charismatic than myself.

The reason for the perception that extraverts are more charismatic than introverts is because they generally derive a positive energy gain from social interaction, and subsequently spend more time socially interacting, which gives them more time to refine their skills in that area.

 

[mlittrell]

quite so^

just remember charisma is not equal to extroversion/introversion. anyone can be quite charismatic and charming, doesn't matter on the type necessarily.

but your right

 

[raz]

One thing I'm wondering is how introverts cope with extraverts. I tend to see extraverts as intimidating and extraverts see me as an oddball. It causes weird relationships, to say the least.

 

[mlittrell]

every introvert i know i give space. if they wanna talk then they will approach me to talk. dont get me wrong, ill say hi and attempt to start up conversation, but if they dont seem to be biting i give em all the space they need.

i think many times introverts are looked at as weird or "oddball"s as you mentioned mainly for the same reason that intuitives are looked at as weird, the reason being that neither are a dominant part of the population. i would say 15 - 25% of the population would be introverted. same percentages apply to intuitives.

 

["?"]

Based on the dictionary's definition of the word, this is something that all SJs seek as part of their core values:

so⋅cial   /ˈsoʊʃəl/ –adjective
1. pertaining to, devoted to, or characterized by friendly companionship or relations: a social club.
2. seeking or enjoying the companionship of others; friendly; sociable; gregarious.
3. of, pertaining to, connected with, or suited to polite or fashionable society: a social event.
4. living or disposed to live in companionship with others or in a community, rather than in isolation: People are social beings.
5. of or pertaining to human society, esp. as a body divided into classes according to status: social rank.
6. involved in many social activities: We're so busy working, we have to be a little less social now.
7. of or pertaining to the life, welfare, and relations of human beings in a community: social problems.
8. noting or pertaining to activities designed to remedy or alleviate certain unfavorable conditions of life in a community, esp. among the poor.
9. pertaining to or advocating socialism.
10. Zoology. living habitually together in communities, as bees or ants. Compare solitary (def. 8).
11. Botany. growing in patches or clumps.
12. Rare. occurring or taking place between allies or confederates.
–noun 13. a social gathering or party, esp. of or as given by an organized group: a church social.

So I would say that all SJs, including ISJs will be more social oriented than NTs in particular and the other temperaments. Based on my years of posting at entp.org, there are many extraverts who realize their need to tone down their antics in social situations due to faux pas. ESTPs are very good and conscious of their appearing too rambunctious at inappropriate times. So we should not confuse being naturally gregarious as being social since being loud and boisterous, or wanting to be around people does not equate to being social if the extravert cannot or does not adhere to social decorum.

 

[Mondo]

I think it depends on what you mean by 'social'.
As an Extravert, I would say that I am energized by socialization and am quick to adapt in social situations. However, I am not open about anything to others. I am friendly and nice to everyone but I don't trust many people and will not let anyone into my intimate life unless I'm in a romantic relationship and even then I'll only tell a person what I want them to know.
On the other hand, I know a few Introverts who talk about their intimate lives all the time with me.
I don't know this comes with Introversion itself but they seem much more naive about people and their reactions to things.

 

[Ism]

Well, introversion and extroversion don't necessarily refer to sociability. Introverts have the ability to be just as charismatic or talkitive than an extrovert. It's just how often they are willing to be around a certain amount of people for so long, since that's what the intro-extroversion scale measures-- the energy people recieve or lose after prolonged periods of human interaction.

 

[luminous beam]

so⋅cial   /ˈsoʊʃəl/ –adjective
1. pertaining to, devoted to, or characterized by friendly companionship or relations: a social club.
2. seeking or enjoying the companionship of others; friendly; sociable; gregarious.
3. of, pertaining to, connected with, or suited to polite or fashionable society: a social event.
4. living or disposed to live in companionship with others or in a community, rather than in isolation: People are social beings.
5. of or pertaining to human society, esp. as a body divided into classes according to status: social rank.
6. involved in many social activities: We're so busy working, we have to be a little less social now.
7. of or pertaining to the life, welfare, and relations of human beings in a community: social problems.
8. noting or pertaining to activities designed to remedy or alleviate certain unfavorable conditions of life in a community, esp. among the poor.
9. pertaining to or advocating socialism.
10. Zoology. living habitually together in communities, as bees or ants. Compare solitary (def. 8).
11. Botany. growing in patches or clumps.
12. Rare. occurring or taking place between allies or confederates.
–noun 13. a social gathering or party, esp. of or as given by an organized group: a church social.

Well, introversion and extroversion don't necessarily refer to sociability. Introverts have the ability to be just as charismatic or talkitive than an extrovert. It's just how often they are willing to be around a certain amount of people for so long, since that's what the intro-extroversion scale measures-- the energy people recieve or lose after prolonged periods of human interaction.

Being sociable doesn't necessarily pertain to either I's and E's, however, Extroverts are fueled by being around people for the most part, and if judging by quantity, then it could well be said that they are the "most sociable" out of the two. However, I think that if you put an Introvert and Extrovert in a room full of people at any given time, and the Introvert happens to be in a great mood and the Extrovert somewhat down, the I will probably out socialize the E...it all depends on the situation.

 

[soleil]

Being sociable doesn't necessarily pertain to either I's and E's, however, Extroverts are fueled by being around people for the most part, and if judging by quantity, then it could well be said that they are the "most sociable" out of the two. However, I think that if you put an Introvert and Extrovert in a room full of people at any given time, and the Introvert happens to be in a great mood and the Extrovert somewhat down, the I will probably out socialize the E...it all depends on the situation.

Oh definitely, anyone can beat me in this department.

 

[sarah]

Introverts often try to be social dynamos, but they eventually break down from a combination of straining themselves and the realization that they can't do what they thought they could. I tried to warn them! Not really.

Haha! Yeah, we can be insanely social. The life of the party, even..... for a brief period of time, after which we get huge stress headaches and need to go home.

 

[great_bay]

No introverts can't beat extroverts are being social. In fact, one of the biggest problem with extroverts is uncontrolled behavior relative to their introvert counterparts. Take a look at extroverted perceivers vs introverts. The inferior function is Si and Ni. Something people usually have problem with. Si reflects on the past and Ni foresees how a situation is going to play out. Ni and Si is the third function of introverts perceivers meaning their behavior is usually more controlled. ISFP's are more restrained than ESFP's.

However, keep in mind that neither is better or worse. Extroverts don't have as controlled behavior as their introvert counterparts. However, they are more fun.

 

[five sounds]

my ISFJ sister is a lot more socially graceful than i am. i'm the awkward one with nervous laughter, and she just has a way of calmly and assuredly saying the right thing. i'm a lot more likely to go out and do something new, meet new people, etc. than she is though. she sticks with her small circles of friends for the most part, but when a stranger is introduced to the two of us, i'd be more likely to get all weird about it.

 

[Cygnus]

In Socionics, aren't IEIs actually more outgoing than EIEs, possibly because of Emotivism>Constructivism or something??

 

[Frosty]

It would be more unnatural for an introvert to be more outgoing than an extrovert. It would probably take more effort for both to suppress their dominant function. If you were to go by averages no, but sure I suppose everything has an exception

 

[Forever]

Why not? Why should "Introvert" and "Extrovert" limit to how sociable you can be? If introversion is just simply a "reserve" of energy being drained throughout the day and recharged the next, and the extrovert simple just goes around by people to be recharged doesn't equal the ability to be social.

I consider myself an ambivert and most people are around the middle of the introversion-extroversion spectrum anyhow, it's all on perspective. I can be sociable to accomplish a goal, just to feel better, or do whatever. I think its all in the mind.

An extrovert can be shy and an introvert can be outgoing. Yeah I may not be so "suave" in everything I say, but words and fluency isn't what makes relationships with others 100%.