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    Default Perception Functions Guide to Making Sandwiches

    Si: These are the specific sauces needed, but they need to be added in specific amounts proportioned 1:3:2, and just a dash of this spice only two shakes of the bottle - one on each side of the sandwich. It needs to be toasted, but only very lightly or the flavor on the turkey will become too smokey. The cheese needs to melt just enough, but never bubble up. It is also important to keep the bread fluffy at all times.

    Se: I may try a couple of sauces this time and double meat and cheese. Which type? Any of them will be fine - maybe all of them? Whatever you need to use up first.

    Ne: I'm curious to try this type of sandwich they make in Outer Mongolia where there are spices that cannot be found any place else in the world. Oh, or I can just create my own sandwich unlike any sandwich ever imagined by a human.

    Ni: What is a sandwich? How is it that humans the world over have created breads to hold meats and vegetable to eat. Is there something instinctual in the human mind that keeps recreating the same food concepts in a kind of polygenesis. "What?" "Sure, I'll have some mustard sauce" "Oh, am I holding up the line?"

    Discuss...

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    A Se sammich is a happy sammich


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    Through space and time always another show, wondering where I am. I'm lost without you. Journey
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    Holt=Se
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    The Cat is a fey, mercurial thing, given to fits of pique, moody silences, and eerie displays.

    But it's just the price I pay
    Destiny is calling me
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    'Cause I'm Mr. Brightside...

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    Wicked vile Si....
    I am The Cat; who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me...
    The Cat is a fey, mercurial thing, given to fits of pique, moody silences, and eerie displays.

    But it's just the price I pay
    Destiny is calling me
    Open up my eager eyes
    'Cause I'm Mr. Brightside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenetta View Post
    Ne: I'm curious to try this type of sandwich they make in Outer Mongolia where there are spices that cannot be found any place else in the world. Oh, or I can just create my own sandwich unlike any sandwich ever imagined by a human.
    As a young child, when bored and alone, I used to mix a bunch of beverage items together...
    I remember taking one of these, warm-not from the fridge,
    ,
    and adding chocolate syrup...
    and I think milk and probably orange juice...
    And, yes, I drank it.

    Also, later making peanut butter, cheddar cheese, and dill pickle sandwiches...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous View Post
    As a young child, when bored and alone, I used to mix a bunch of beverage items together...
    I remember taking one of these, warm-not from the fridge,
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    and adding chocolate syrup...
    and I think milk and probably orange juice...
    And, yes, I drank it.

    Also, later making peanut butter, cheddar cheese, and dill pickle sandwiches...
    I am The Cat; who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me...
    The Cat is a fey, mercurial thing, given to fits of pique, moody silences, and eerie displays.

    But it's just the price I pay
    Destiny is calling me
    Open up my eager eyes
    'Cause I'm Mr. Brightside...

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    Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous View Post
    Why not?
    I am The Cat; who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me...
    The Cat is a fey, mercurial thing, given to fits of pique, moody silences, and eerie displays.

    But it's just the price I pay
    Destiny is calling me
    Open up my eager eyes
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    Actually, there are o traditional ‘Mongolian sandwhiches’’ at least, not as how we know them. Since Mongolians were nomadic they cooked everything in their metal sheilds over a campfire. It’s where the idea of Mongolian grill restaurants come from.

    Mongolians were awesome . Say what you what want about Ghengis Khan but he really new how to conquer in a way that kept his empire growing and his people loyal and like it or not, he is responsible for spreading everything from cultural traditions, and foods battle tactics and techniques even DNA. Ever heard of the rare and so far unexplained red-headed Chinese people?- probly Mongolians.

    I have a black friend who likes to brag about her natural red hair. She’s probly part Mongolian.

    ...there was this one Mongolian student at my college who was not shy about his crush on me.One year on my birthday I wore a gorgeous silk Chiangsam. He was working the coffee shop. He was looking down counting money when I approached and didn’t notice. When he looked up he nearly fell backward in shock. All he could say was “ Wow” before stammering for a few seconds before he composed himself and took my order.

    You know what I always hated about that coffee shop? It wasn’t open at all during the weekend. You know, a lot of us were responsible and would come in to study/tutor or attend a club on the weekend. Hell, I’d come in at quarter to five. Hell, Anthro 255 started at 7am and I went by choice.
    My World history professor found out that his 8am class was my second class of the day and thought I was insane. He asked who their right mind would CHOOSE to hold a class that early. I decided to show him and myself and my Anthropology prof stood outside his door with coffee and waited for him to show up, then cheerfully talked his ear off. I’ll never forget her response to him asking “ What the hell is wrong with you people? “ she got right up in his face and asked “ Do you know how many time zones I’ve lived in? “ before he could she said “ All of them!” And then whispered “ Aaaaaall of theeeeem.” She was an odd duck, but show me a humanities teacher who isn’t.
    That is why I got into humanities after all, the only teachers who appreciated it understood me were humanities teachers.
    I loved Ms. Hodge so much. She always had my back...even though it frustrated her endlessly that I was too stoic to participate in her Hungarian folk dance Fridays. They were exhausting. Good thing it was right because for lunch...that reminds me, I’m hungry. Wasn’t I gonna make sone food? .....uuuh oh yeah! I was gonna make a sammich.

    Well shit. Too late. Guess I’ll go out. I do love Mongolian grill. Have I eve4 mentioned how great Mongolian history is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenetta View Post
    Si: [...]

    Se: [...]

    Ne: [...]

    Ni: [...]

    Discuss...
    Good idea. I'll contribute with a comparison of how N and S work. It's not really about sandwiches, but maybe it will stimulate some thoughts for others.

    This is just my own interpretation, of course. I wrote this up on the fly; excuse the typos or poorly worded parts.

    First off, a quick comparison of N&S vs F&T:
    --N and S are the "irrational," perceptive, creative functions.

    --F and T are the "rational," judging, analytical functions. I'll just add: Some people have difficulty thinking of F as an analytical function. But as F-users mature, they can become very good at parsing and analyzing emotions, ethical issues, where and how much empathy to bestow on various people or issues. They are often good at counseling and can help people parse issues like love, emotional bonds, grief, betrayal, etc.

    Now I'll talk about N vs S specifically:
    --N is associative, in the sense of Freudian "free association." It looks for far-flung connections between disparate things, and it's good at detecting or inventing flows, conspiracies, plots, etc.

    --S is causal, in the sense of "cause-and-effect." S looks for immediate connections (X leads to Y), and it creates narratives, rituals, and automated procedures.

    --As you can see, both N and S are creative and good at constructing something from nothing. But creative processes are non-analytical, and they can lead you astray...

    Now I'll talk about Ni versus Ne specifically:
    --Ni is associative, but in an internal sense. It likes seizing upon interesting thoughts and ideas that seem to have some internal similarity and stringing them together. It plays with favorite ideas and associations over time, eventually creating vast spiderwebs of favorite "idea complexes." Hence, you get the Ni stereotype as diabolical masterminds. They massage a favorite "idea complex" and create plans and backup plans. This is a hallmark of "spiderweb thinking": Spiderwebs have lots of entrances and exits. Ni-users are the most likely types to come up with something like universal "forces" or "flows" or "marches of history." Big thinkers by nature, they'll string together vast associative spiderwebs that encompass all of history, trying to find some common thread or theme. But again, being non-analytical, this kind of thinking can go astray. Ni-users can create whole religions out of thin air, simply by "shoehorning" all kinds of crazy associations into a favorite "spiderweb." Hence the need for an extroverted second function to keep them grounded.

    --Ne is similarly associative, but in an external sense. It plays with the raw material provided by the world around it, stringing it all together into plots, conspiracies, intimations of love or hate, etc. Ne sees everything in the world around it as connected (in an associative sense), so it's easy for Ne-users to be super-sensitive to small changes in a relationship or social setting; Ne-users are the most likely type to be psychics and readers of other people, and actually be pretty good at it. But like Ni-users, they can overdo it. Ne is non-analytical, and if over-indulged it can create secret societies, conspiracies, plots, etc. out of thin air. Ne-users need to consult their internal judging function to help separate the wheat from the chaff.

    Now Si versus Se
    --S is causal, but in an internal sense. It's a narrative-creating function: "X caused Y, which in turn created grounds for Z to arise." Spot the narrative, and you own the world. S in general is the most adept function at maneuvering in the world because it's always on the look-out for causal connections and memorizing them as narratives. From this, you get rites and rituals; Si is fertile grounds for the creation of automated routines that serve a predictable function or purpose. Si-users are traditionally good matches for the military, police, the bureaucracy, etc. Their knack for narratives and rituals makes them excellent at spotting the workings of things in the world in front of them and coming up with ways to replicate success. As I said above: Spot the narrative, and you own the world. In a religious sense, there also exists a "warding-off" function to Si: Narratives and rituals ward off chaos. The gods like order, predictability, and precision. Hence the need for rituals to be repetitious and performed exactly the same every time.

    --Se is similarly causal, but in an external sense. It plays with the raw material provided by the world around it, creating personal narratives on the fly. "X exists; if I take X and do Y to it, I should get result Z." As actors and initiative-takers, Se-users are constantly "taking it to the next level." Things need to be tested and prodded and poked in order to extract their narrative from them. And once you spot the narrative of a thing, you own that thing. Again, narrative-creating is also about rituals and rites. In a religious sense, there exists a "summoning" function to Se: Spot the narrative of a thing, and you incorporate its spirit and gain its strength. It's a form of totemism: Compete with your enemy, beat him, and then "summon" his spirit to make yourself stronger. Hence, a natural competitive aspect to Se. The gods reward victors and heroes; what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Spot your enemy's narrative, and you own him. And the gods reward you accordingly.
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