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    Everyone who has iQ above 110 can consider himself as intelligent person. It goes rough over 135.

    #ISTJ and #ESTP with high iQ cannot see other judgment then logical and they very easily become some "big" in the system and devour all their opponents (because their framework collect only what is already know to them and they become stubborn and headstrong to defend it (S). While on other hand #INTJ and #ENTP becomes fascinated by people and want to collect all piece of puzzle for big picture. This is why N people as intelligent they are more, they have a reputation of "mad scientist" and also feel "misunderstood", "freak" etc.

    Intellegent (high iQ) #ENTJ and #ENFJ has a problem that they cannot see what is in front of them. So instead accept facts they will push their vision even they know it is truth. #ENTJ because of over-confidence in his ability and #ENFJ because of pride.On the another and intelligent #INTP and #INFP will just ignore all the experience what they learn in life and continue to blindly push their ideals or theory for sake of JUSTIFICATION. This leads to look at world with naive eyes who repeat same mistake over and over again!

    intelligent #ESTJ and #ESFJ have a problem to see beyond their framework so instead look at "what it could be done" they are so detached to their skills do the point they develop thinking which cannot change and which is resistible for change. They called it attitude.On another hand intelligent #ISTP and #ISFP will just ignore all visions what is not based on skills and push their ideals and theory for the sake of theory and ideals. Instead justify someone behave they will judge them based on theory or ideal they hold with passion.

    Intelligent #INFJ and #ENFP has a problem of fascination of logic, science and others non-people stuff (naturally with high iQ) because they want to complete REAL BIG PICTURE. Because of that, they can be as cold more they are friendly and warm and perceived to others as thinkers. On the another hand Intellgent #ISFJ and #ESFP cannot see anything what is not their people framework. Because of that they are high open and warm to others but also can label someone just because it doesn't fit in their box of thinking when comes to people.
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    Maybe it's a good thing that I'm not all that bright. I was somewhere between 106-118 on my test decades ago. (I was "retarded" in math and memory, but language command boosted my overall score.)
    I'm an INFP and I have a very "live and let live" attitude towards life... though I can dig in my heels when it comes to religion.

    My hubby (I think) is an ISTJ, but he falls under what you've written about INTJ/ENTP. He's a genius and extremely misunderstood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    On the another and intelligent #INTP and #INFP will just ignore all the experience what they learn in life and continue to blindly push their ideals or theory for sake of JUSTIFICATION. This leads to look at world with naive eyes who repeat same mistake over and over again!
    I'll just focus on this one as my own type is there, though there are many questions to be asked about your entire post - why would someone that is supposedly so intelligent ignore all their experience and what they have learned in favour of pushing their "ideals" or "theories" blindly, and why on Earth would someone that is supposedly so intelligent repeatedly make the same mistakes over and over again. Repeating the same mistakes again and again is the opposite of intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turi View Post
    I'll just focus on this one as my own type is there, though there are many questions to be asked about your entire post - why would someone that is supposedly so intelligent ignore all their experience and what they have learned in favour of pushing their "ideals" or "theories" blindly, and why on Earth would someone that is supposedly so intelligent repeatedly make the same mistakes over and over again. Repeating the same mistakes again and again is the opposite of intelligent.
    Naivety (purity of soul) is essence of intelligence because of Ne -> Si.
    You are what you see in others. So INTP see everybody as smart and INFP as good and expect from others to be just like them.
    Ne always want to see something else in thing with saying "But he did this things because..." , "Maybe this is not how suppose to be..." See? Naivety and intelligence come with open-mind.
    Because of that Ne --> Si can see in something good where others cannot and because of that they can be labeled by others as stupid while they aren't.
    People who have very high iQ are very often INTP and INFP as well ENFP.

    Now you wonder how intelligent ISTJ and ESTP become easily successful businessmen and administrators.
    Because ISTJ is one big data machine who accept facts from books and then apply it to real world with Te.
    As ISTJ is more intelligent he has not a duty but a target to be someone big in system because he know many things and he feels that he deserves it by his all life work! (Yeah, looking in the past becomes a bitch while time flow forward )
    ESTP possess extraordinary sense of reality, sense to act in right moment, sense to do something just because he can (and to don't care about consequences which makes life a lot of easier unlike TJ. HE WILL DO IT OR DON'T AND IF DON'T HE WILL TRY SOMETHING ELSE - SIMPLE MIND ), also he doesn't care about morality like some N types, nor he choose to create something but rather choose to stole IDEA from someone.For N stealing from someone is boring and stealing as a way for success doesn't come in their mind because CREATION comes first and as person is intelligent IDEAS BECOME MAGNIFICENT AND WALLAH .

    Think about INTJ and ESTP like Tesla and Edison and Tesla (INTJ) sentence: "I don't cere because they stole my idea, I care because they don't have their own"
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    Nah, I'm good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Naivety (purity of soul) is essence of intelligence because of Ne -> Si.
    You are what you see in others. So INTP see everybody as smart and INFP as good and expect from others to be just like them.
    Ne always want to see something else in thing with saying "But he did this things because..." , "Maybe this is not how suppose to be..." See? Naivety and intelligence come with open-mind.
    Because of that Ne --> Si can see in something good where others cannot and because of that they can be labeled by others as stupid while they aren't.
    People who have very high iQ are very often INTP and INFP as well ENFP.

    Now you wonder how intelligent ISTJ and ESTP become easily successful businessmen and administrators.
    Because ISTJ is one big data machine who accept facts from books and then apply it to real world with Te.
    As ISTJ is more intelligent he has not a duty but a target to be someone big in system because he know many things and he feels that he deserves it by his all life work! (Yeah, looking in the past becomes a bitch while time flow forward )
    ESTP possess extraordinary sense of reality, sense to act in right moment, sense to do something just because he can (and to don't care about consequences which makes life a lot of easier unlike TJ. HE WILL DO IT OR DON'T AND IF DON'T HE WILL TRY SOMETHING ELSE - SIMPLE MIND ), also he doesn't care about morality like some N types, nor he choose to create something but rather choose to stole IDEA from someone.For N stealing from someone is boring and stealing as a way for success doesn't come in their mind because CREATION comes first and as person is intelligent IDEAS BECOME MAGNIFICENT AND WALLAH .

    Think about INTJ and ESTP like Tesla and Edison and Tesla (INTJ) sentence: "I don't cere because they stole my idea, I care because they don't have their own"
    well, being an INFP and possibly in what you are calling "gifted" (I don't know exactly how you are defining it but i suspect i may fall in it anyway)...I do relate a lot to what you have said here. IQ does not change someone's essential personality make-up. N gives someone the ability to make connections that may not be obvious to many others, while Fi is very subjective, feeling based "prone to be misunderstood" (in Jung's own words)...and you combine that, and yes you can very much get the version of 'gifted INFP' you mention here.

    And yes, INFP is one of the types correlated with higher percentage of gifted individuals within that group, compared to other groups. Here's a study for instance:http://psych.wisc.edu/henriques/papers/Sak.pdf

    I do have a lot of issue with people understanding me, when they don't know me. I try very hard but am shut down or seen as maybe unintelligent because I dare mention something that isn't already written down/is the traditional wisdom/knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
    Maybe it's a good thing that I'm not all that bright. I was somewhere between 106-118 on my test decades ago. (I was "retarded" in math and memory, but language command boosted my overall score.)
    I'm an INFP and I have a very "live and let live" attitude towards life... though I can dig in my heels when it comes to religion.

    My hubby (I think) is an ISTJ, but he falls under what you've written about INTJ/ENTP. He's a genius and extremely misunderstood.
    There's plenty of people with High IQ who are horrible at Math...It boils down to the type of test that was taken since there is a relatively broad range. There is a mix of fluid reasoning and crystallized reasoning. Some may score much higher on the fluid sections, which tests pattern recognition capacity. Yet, the lower scores in the other sub-sections will dampen the overall score. Memory is directly proportional to focus, so ADD can negatively influence it. Processing speed is connected to neurotransmitter output and metabolic rate, which are functions of genetics. If you continually attempt to connect disparate info over the course of a lifetime, then pattern recognition skills will be increased. However, the rate of change in any such skill depends on cognition capacity or genetics. I am strong with Abstract Math, yet my ability to process social input is hindered. We all tend to gravitate towards activities that align with strengths, which will relate to higher sub-scores in certain areas relative to others. If someone has a broader range of strengths or is continually immersing themselves in different stimulating environments, then the sub-scores will likely be more balanced. Conversely, narrower interests would have the propensity to lead to a discrepancy among sub-scores. Thus, the overall score doesn't give the entire picture in terms of capabilities, as it may be masked....It only indicates potential confined to some domain.
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    Thank you, @hurl3y4456
    I guess my natural skills would have to be language and music. My people skills mostly were strengthened because of my environment and personality type.
    ADD is a definite possibility. I've taken the meds of relatives during emergencies and while they do help me stay awake, they don't make me bounce off the walls. I can concentrate and focus and it is such a wonderful thing lol. Getting a diagnosis and meds, as an adult in my State, is nearly impossible though.

    Most of my problem, though, is laziness. ADD shouldn't get worse with age lol. Because of games and apps and instant gratification, I no longer HAVE to work at certain things. I don't HAVE to deal with frustrations and feeling stupid when I can just ask Google. I continue to gravitate towards the things that interest me, while my handicaps worsen from inattentiveness.
    There IS something wrong with my brain (possible ADD and dyscalculia). But instead of trying to strengthen the weaknesses, I just stopped caring. Feeling frustrated and stupid is a huge motivator of avoidant behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
    Thank you, @hurl3y4456
    I guess my natural skills would have to be language and music. My people skills mostly were strengthened because of my environment and personality type.
    ADD is a definite possibility. I've taken the meds of relatives during emergencies and while they do help me stay awake, they don't make me bounce off the walls. I can concentrate and focus and it is such a wonderful thing lol. Getting a diagnosis and meds, as an adult in my State, is nearly impossible though.

    Most of my problem, though, is laziness. ADD shouldn't get worse with age lol. Because of games and apps and instant gratification, I no longer HAVE to work at certain things. I don't HAVE to deal with frustrations and feeling stupid when I can just ask Google. I continue to gravitate towards the things that interest me, while my handicaps worsen from inattentiveness.
    There IS something wrong with my brain (possible ADD and dyscalculia). But instead of trying to strengthen the weaknesses, I just stopped caring. Feeling frustrated and stupid is a huge motivator of avoidant behavior.
    Funny enough i think reading can help alot with that and creating more structure in your life , i'm intp i hate structures but if we want to be better we need some of that.
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