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    People often confuse INFPs and INFJs, these clips show the difference (I'm using an ISFP but it doesn't matter because FiTe is the focus)

    "Rightly or not, Fi is commonly perceived as more emotionally “mature” than Fe. For ISFPs, as well as other FP types, emotions are not readily expressed or dramatized. Instead, they are typically managed internally or repackaged and expressed via Extraverted Thinking (Te). Consequently, ISFPs are outwardly measured and rational in their presentation; outsiders may even mistake them for Thinking types."- Here is an example of that- YouTube. Notice how rational he is when expressing how he feels, you're seeing Fi and Te working together. Notice also how self aware he is, he understands how he feels personally about things. 3.00 onwards is a great example of Fi.

    "Because the INFJ’s feeling function is extroverted, they naturally tune into other people’s moods and emotions. Because of this superpower, INFJs tend to have high levels of empathy, and it’s no surprise that many of them pursue careers in therapy, social work, and counseling.
    The downside is INFJs may have a hard time discerning their own feelings. They may even absorb others’ emotions and feel them as if they were their own. Here is an example of that- YouTube. It's ironic because the very thing he doesn't do is open up about his childhood. From 0.40 onwards he's asked if he's tough.

    0.54 he says we're all tough and then 0.57 he goes into full Fe mode. Why is this Fe- He almost takes on the role of a psychologist even though he's being interviewed. Fe types see people as a collective, so when he's answering these personal questions he's not answering them from his own perspective, he's viewing it from everyone's. Toughness is because YOUR trying to cover something, he's answering it indirectly. Not to deceive as one might believe- without an understanding of MBTI , that's why this stuff is great because we see why people are the way they are or why they respond the way they do, otherwise we might jump to conclusions.

    Notice how different is it to the Clapton interview. 1.10 he's asked if he's vulnerable, he responds- i don't know, i would imagine i am and then at 1.18 he doesn't explore that, he brushes it off and kind of jokes. I'm not saying Fe types lack self awareness, they have values and beliefs( INFJs are the most private type) but in terms of looking inwards it's not something that comes naturally to them because they have Fe not Fi, their feeling is focused on others.

    People often confuse INFPs and INFJs, these clips show the difference (I'm using an ISFP but it doesn't matter because FiTe is the focus)

    "Rightly or not, Fi is commonly perceived as more emotionally “mature” than Fe. For ISFPs, as well as other FP types, emotions are not readily expressed or dramatized. Instead, they are typically managed internally or repackaged and expressed via Extraverted Thinking (Te). Consequently, ISFPs are outwardly measured and rational in their presentation; outsiders may even mistake them for Thinking types."- Here is an example of that- YouTube. Notice how rational he is when expressing how he feels, you're seeing Fi and Te working together. Notice also how self aware he is, he understands how he feels personally about things. 3.00 onwards is a great example of Fi.

    "Because the INFJ’s feeling function is extroverted, they naturally tune into other people’s moods and emotions. Because of this superpower, INFJs tend to have high levels of empathy, and it’s no surprise that many of them pursue careers in therapy, social work, and counseling.
    The downside is INFJs may have a hard time discerning their own feelings. They may even absorb others’ emotions and feel them as if they were their own. Here is an example of that- YouTube. It's ironic because the very thing he doesn't do is open up about his childhood. From 0.40 onwards he's asked if he's tough.

    0.54 he says we're all tough and then 0.57 he goes into full Fe mode. Why is this Fe- He almost takes on the role of a psychologist even though he's being interviewed. Fe types see people as a collective, so when he's answering these personal questions he's not answering them from his own perspective, he's viewing it from everyone's. Toughness is because YOUR trying to cover something, he's answering it indirectly. Not to deceive as one might believe- without an understanding of MBTI , that's why this stuff is great because we see why people are the way they are or why they respond the way they do, otherwise we might jump to conclusions.

    Notice how different is it to the Clapton interview. 1.10 he's asked if he's vulnerable, he responds- i don't know, i would imagine i am and then at 1.18 he doesn't explore that, he brushes it off and kind of jokes. I'm not saying Fe types lack self awareness, they have values and beliefs( INFJs are the most private type) but in terms of looking inwards it's not something that comes naturally to them because they have Fe not Fi, their feeling is focused on others.>

    Lets see an Fi and Fe interaction that shows that and a great example. 2.45- 4.12-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-mGCeS0CFM. Rose is the one being interviewed but he almost turns things around, like Pacino he almost turns into a psychologist. Colbert is looking inwards (Fi) and Rose is looking outwards (Fe). Also notice at 2.45 Rose immediately responds to the audience when he hears a clap, that's his Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Seeker 1994 View Post

    "Rightly or not, Fi is commonly perceived as more emotionally “mature” than Fe. For ISFPs, as well as other FP types, emotions are not readily expressed or dramatized.
    So basically what you're saying is that Fi = emotional constipation.
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    Fe types see people as a collective
    Fe= visual hallucinations. Fascinating.

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    This page is a good resource for function descriptions written directly by Carl Jung.

    Interestingly Jung describes Fi as

    Quote Originally Posted by Jung
    It is principally among women that I have found the priority of introverted feeling. The proverb 'Still waters run deep' is very true of such women. They are mostly silent, inaccessible, and hard to understand; often they hide behind a childish or banal mask, and not infrequently their temperament is melancholic. They neither shine nor reveal themselves. Since they submit the control of their lives to their subjectively orientated feeling, their true motives generally remain concealed. Their outward demeanour is harmonious and inconspicuous; they reveal a delightful repose, a sympathetic parallelism, which has no desire to affect others, either to impress, influence, or change them in any way. Should this outer side be somewhat emphasized, a suspicion of neglectfulness and coldness may easily obtrude itself, which not seldom increases to a real indifference for the comfort and well-being of others. One distinctly feels the movement of feeling away from the object. With the normal type, however, such an event only occurs when the object has in some way too strong an effect. The harmonious feeling atmosphere rules only so long as the object moves upon its own way with a moderate feeling intensity, and makes no attempt to cross the other's path. There is little effort to accompany the real emotions of the object, which tend to be damped and rebuffed, or to put it more aptly, are 'cooled off' by a negative feeling-judgment. Although one may find a constant readiness for a peaceful and harmonious companionship, the unfamiliar object is shown no touch of amiability, no gleam of responding warmth, but is met by a manner of apparent indifference or repelling coldness. [p. 493]
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    And Jung describes Fe as
    Quote Originally Posted by Jung
    In so far as feeling is, incontestably, a more obvious peculiarity of feminine psychology than thinking, the most pronounced feeling-types are also to be found among women. When extraverted feeling possesses the priority we speak of an extraverted feeling-type. Examples of this type that I can call to mind are, almost without exception, women. She is a woman who follows the guiding-line of her feeling. As the result of education her feeling has become developed into an adjusted function, subject to conscious control. Except in extreme cases, feeling has a personal character, in spite of the fact that the subjective factor may be already, to a large extent, repressed. The personality appears to be adjusted in relation to objective conditions. Her feelings correspond with objective situations and general values.
    Longer description of Fe
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    Hahaha

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    They're both considered rational decision making functions, premised on the following:

    Fi = internal values
    Fe = external social values

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    Oh yeah i'v seen that page, cheers, it's cool

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    Fi types only register neurotic / disturbed emotional expressions as "real." All other forms of emotional expression, Fi types register as "fake."

    Example of what Fi types register as "real":



    Example of what Fi types register as "fake":

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    Fi types only register neurotic / disturbed emotional expressions as "real." All other forms of emotional expression, Fi types register as "fake."

    Can agree with you based off experiences with Fi-doms.
    However, Fi and Fe are more of cognitive processes, so I do wonder how it often does happen to turn out this way.

    Can only see this through an ennea lens, in which an E4 would be attracted to the kind of Fi mentioned above.
    But, if anything, I have also seen that some of the most avoidant of 'jarring' expressions of 'authenticity' can also be Fi-dom. So is it really that universal? Some Fis can nod their heads at the latter. I'm not as sure of how Fe works, seems more flexible / less particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    Fi types only register neurotic / disturbed emotional expressions as "real." All other forms of emotional expression, Fi types register as "fake."

    Example of what Fi types register as "real":



    Example of what Fi types register as "fake":

    Hahaha

    The second clip, the music is beautiful

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