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    Default Biggest differnce between ESFJ and ENFJ

    My sister is an ESFJ and one of my best friends is an ENFJ. They're both 2w3 and I'm wondering the biggest differences between those two MBTI types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neko 4 View Post
    My sister is an ESFJ and one of my best friends is an ENFJ. They're both 2w3 and I'm wondering the biggest differences between those two MBTI types.
    Well, I feel like you'd know the differences if you were both confident and accurate in your typings of them.

    I'm pretty convinced that most people don't excel at typing others and close the door on perception and receptivity prematurely once they decide on a type.
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    Well, one is FeSiNeTi, the other is FeNiSeTi.

    INFJ with ESFJ sister sounds unlikely. Type runs in families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    INFJ with ESFJ sister sounds unlikely. Type runs in families.
    Why do you think that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Why do you think that?
    I've heard that someone supposedly verified it,
    and it seems to match my own experience,
    for example it appears true of my own family
    and furthermore makes sense in theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I've heard that someone supposedly verified it,
    and it seems to match my own experience,
    for example it appears true of my own family
    and furthermore makes sense in theory
    Huh. So it's your theory and observation from your own family, which is a far cry from the bold definitive statement of 'Type Runs in Families'.

    As for 'someone supposedly verifying it', that's pretty vague. Not only are there not 'proven' ways for determining someone is one and only one type (nor 100% definitive universally agreed upon ways of determining type), acting as if 'type' is genetically passed along - [edit: in an easy-to-map way, as obviously we inherit everything from our family, whether direct parents or traits that skip generations, or whatnot] - is an unsubstantiated leap -- it's not as if Fe, Fi, Ne, Ni, Si, Se, Te, and Ti are even 'real' entities let alone a combination of known 'real things' that can be or are mapped to specific genes. So there's no way a statement can be made that type therefore 'runs in families'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Huh. So it's your theory and observation from your own family, which is a far cry from the bold definitive statement of 'Type Runs in Families'.

    As for 'someone supposedly verifying it', that's pretty vague. Not only are there not 'proven' ways for determining someone is one and only one type (nor 100% definitive universally agreed upon ways of determining type), acting as if 'type' is genetically passed along is an unsubstantiated leap -- it's not as if Fe, Fi, Ne, Ni, Si, Se, Te, and Ti are even 'real' entities let alone a combination of known 'real things' that can be or are mapped to specific genes. So there's no way a statement can be made that type therefore 'runs in families'.
    That's how Ni works,
    Strong speculations based on manifesting patterns,
    These can be changed as time goes on,
    Or strengthened in the same direction,
    And I feel that the evidence is telling.

    Type can be verified,
    And functions are in a sense real,
    As real as memory,
    And with the makings of a scientific theory.

    If you think the claim is unsubstantiated,
    You'll find that all talk of type is,
    But it is not unsubstantiated,
    If you know how to read the signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    That's how Ni works,
    Strong speculations based on manifesting patterns,
    These can be changed as time goes on,
    Or strengthened in the same direction,
    And I feel that the evidence is telling.

    Type can be verified,
    And functions are in a sense real,
    As real as memory,
    And with the makings of a scientific theory.

    If you think the claim is unsubstantiated,
    You'll find that all talk of type is,
    But it is not unsubstantiated,
    If you know how to read the signs.
    I see. I don't have anything else to say here then; too vast a gap to want to try to bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Well, one is FeSiNeTi, the other is FeNiSeTi.

    INFJ with ESFJ sister sounds unlikely. Type runs in families.
    Even if your theory is accurate, they could still be a copy of each parent since there are two types here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    Even if your theory is accurate, they could still be a copy of each parent since there are two types here.
    It's possible, just fairly unlikely.

    I'll also add that the hereditariness of type is gender specific, so in this case it could for example be the two types of each grandmother.

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