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I am INFP. He is ISTP. Are these differences normal personality differences?

illyxo

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I am an INFP in a new relationship with ISTP male.
Just wondering if these slight issues are normal due to our differences or a sign of something not working:

1. I feel he is very emotionally stable which is good but I feel that I cant yet be my cranky/moody self with him as I feel he will be intimidated by this lol?
2. He talks a lot more than I do. He was actually surprised at this saying ''I am usually reserved but for some reason with you I can talk for ages.'' It is probably 70% him talking and me listening.
3. We talk a lot about everything and anything but when it comes to things like psychological concepts he seems to brush it off or not entirely understand it?
4. He is intelligent but not intellectual e.g. he used to be a pilot. I went to college. I feel like I'm more intellectual than he is but he is more common sense?
5. He is a very quick talker and I love his witty humour. I can take a while to respond to questions when asked and I feel like he gets uncomfortable or bored and quickly closes this gap by saying something, which can be irritating lol.
6. Financially he is not in the best place as he is a risk-taker. I'm more of a stable saver. Even though I am much younger than him I am probably in a better place financially.

Otherwise we seem to get along well. He doesn't like pointless arguments, we can have a debate without shouting, he is super calming, he is very kind, generous, patient and even romantic (sent me beautiful roses at home), he is close to his family, he likes fixing things, he likes to take me out on dates and ''do things,'' he wants me to meet his parents and he is for some reason...even though he isn't the best looking guy... super duper sexy. I feel like I could jump him all the time but I refrain from doing so as I dont want to be a pest!!

Are these differences normal and workable?
 

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I am an INFP in a new relationship with ISTP male.
Just wondering if these slight issues are normal due to our differences or a sign of something not working:

1. I feel he is very emotionally stable which is good but I feel that I cant yet be my cranky/moody self with him as I feel he will be intimidated by this lol?

This is very subjective. ISTP men can be moody and cranky when things go very wrong too, so don't be upset by this.

2. He talks a lot more than I do. He was actually surprised at this saying ''I am usually reserved but for some reason with you I can talk for ages.'' It is probably 70% him talking and me listening.

He uses Fe, and you use Fi. Fe users, no matter where it is, are more talkative and outgoing, even if they are introverts.

3. We talk a lot about everything and anything but when it comes to things like psychological concepts he seems to brush it off or not entirely understand it?

It's called him being a sensor and having no patience for things that have no practicality to it. It doesn't mean he doesn't understand or is dumb, just thinks differently from you.

4. He is intelligent but not intellectual e.g. he used to be a pilot. I went to college. I feel like I'm more intellectual than he is but he is more common sense?

Sensor/Intuitive intelligence differences. Both of you may be roughly equal in terms of IQ and intelligence, just go about it in a different direction.

5. He is a very quick talker and I love his witty humour. I can take a while to respond to questions when asked and I feel like he gets uncomfortable or bored and quickly closes this gap by saying something, which can be irritating lol.

The ISTP uses Se as its auxiliary, which means they take action as soon as they pop up. INFP, in comparison, uses Ne, which plays with possibilities and may need a bit of buffering time before talking about these ideas. Sensors are more 'quicker' in this sense.

6. Financially he is not in the best place as he is a risk-taker. I'm more of a stable saver. Even though I am much younger than him I am probably in a better place financially.

SP types are very in the now and thus, do not tend to do so well with long range planning. This is something you might have to teach him so that he can become more well versed with the virtue of saving.

Otherwise we seem to get along well. He doesn't like pointless arguments, we can have a debate without shouting, he is super calming, he is very kind, generous, patient and even romantic (sent me beautiful roses at home), he is close to his family, he likes fixing things, he likes to take me out on dates and ''do things,'' he wants me to meet his parents and he is for some reason...even though he isn't the best looking guy... super duper sexy. I feel like I could jump him all the time but I refrain from doing so as I dont want to be a pest!!

Are these differences normal and workable?

It can work if you put the time and effort into it. Do you feel a lot of passion for him? Does he make you become a better person overall? These are very important questions to ask yourself.
Best of luck.
 

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You are very right on all those points.

Just this weekend we had bit of a miscommunication issue:
I felt his texts were colder/more distant and knew that something was up. I tried not to do my usual ''its something to do with me.'' But by Sunday evening when I had not heard from him all day and we had plans I called him asking what was going on/was he having second thoughts and if so, to just be direct and tell me. He sounded surprised that I even thought this and apologised saying things had happened over the weekend.

As he was getting off the phone I'm pretty sure he said ''I love you.'' I kinda didn't hear it properly and hung up lol.

He immediately drove down to see me and explained that he was tired over the weekend and had issues with his boss and finances over the weekend which made him in a bad mood hence the perceived distance, but nothing to do with me. He actually felt really bad that he made me feel that way and was overly apologetic.

I figure this is an ISTP thing - don't say what the issue is, pretend everything is ok, but retreat into ''man-cave'' when things are not okay?
Do I ask him about the ''I love you'' or just leave it until he says it again. Just felt it was an awkward time to say it.
 

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You are very right on all those points.

Just this weekend we had bit of a miscommunication issue:
I felt his texts were colder/more distant and knew that something was up. I tried not to do my usual ''its something to do with me.'' But by Sunday evening when I had not heard from him all day and we had plans I called him asking what was going on/was he having second thoughts and if so, to just be direct and tell me. He sounded surprised that I even thought this and apologised saying things had happened over the weekend.

As he was getting off the phone I'm pretty sure he said ''I love you.'' I kinda didn't hear it properly and hung up lol.

He immediately drove down to see me and explained that he was tired over the weekend and had issues with his boss and finances over the weekend which made him in a bad mood hence the perceived distance, but nothing to do with me. He actually felt really bad that he made me feel that way and was overly apologetic.

I figure this is an ISTP thing - don't say what the issue is, pretend everything is ok, but retreat into ''man-cave'' when things are not okay?
Do I ask him about the ''I love you'' or just leave it until he says it again. Just felt it was an awkward time to say it.


Congrats. STP's are awesome!

One of the friend's closest to my heart is an ISTP and he has taught me hella lot about direct communication.


He would observe me be emotional and awkward when upset and he insisted I outright 'vent' to him. He likes when I say exactly what is on my mind and doesn't get the sense of 'hints' or undercurrent communication at all.

The great aspect of this is that he also doesn't hold anything against me when I am blunt. So, if you are wondering about something I don't think it hurts to just ask. Especially if you enjoy laughing together at misunderstandings that do naturally arise. You handled this speed bump beautifully and he obviously appreciated you addressing it directly.

That he drove down immediately, speaks highly to his care and involvement re: you.


Marriage taught me that men in general, often will 'retreat' a bit to figure things out when challenges arise. A wise woman will learn to not take it personally, give supportive space and make it clear that she is available when he is feeling more himself again.
 
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I feel he will be intimidated by this lol?

For some reasons, I have noticed very very often Fi dom are worried about what is going to think this or that partner.
Why should he think intimidated ? Are you sure it's not "just a thing" from.....your imagination, by any chance ? :hi:

I refrain from doing so as I dont want to be a pest
Wise choice :D

Let's be serious for a while, you seem to have a real crush for that guy. And that's why you are worrying too much (in my very humble opinion).
Those differences seem to create a kind of balance in your couple. It is totally vital for it to survive !
 

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I feel he will be intimidated by this lol?

For some reasons, I have noticed very very often Fi dom are worried about what is going to think this or that partner.
Why should he think intimidated ? Are you sure it's not "just a thing" from.....your imagination, by any chance ? :hi:

I refrain from doing so as I dont want to be a pest
Wise choice :D

Let's be serious for a while, you seem to have a real crush for that guy. And that's why you are worrying too much (in my very humble opinion).
Those differences seem to create a kind of balance in your couple. It is totally vital for it to survive !

SOOO true. Instead of letting the person have the dignity of providing us with an answer...letting us know what they think...Fi doms tend to 'create' possible answers in their minds. It takes trust to be vulnerable and risk answers we aren't comfortable with, but the rewards are SO GREAT.
 

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I feel he will be intimidated by this lol?

For some reasons, I have noticed very very often Fi dom are worried about what is going to think this or that partner.
Why should he think intimidated ? Are you sure it's not "just a thing" from.....your imagination, by any chance ? :hi:

I refrain from doing so as I dont want to be a pest
Wise choice :D

Let's be serious for a while, you seem to have a real crush for that guy. And that's why you are worrying too much (in my very humble opinion).
Those differences seem to create a kind of balance in your couple. It is totally vital for it to survive !

Hehe :D

I actually think that is a major part of it. I totally dig him and I'm overthinking everything.

Feel like I'm back in high school again :wubbie:
 

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SOOO true. Instead of letting the person have the dignity of providing us with an answer...letting us know what they think...Fi doms tend to 'create' possible answers in their minds. It takes trust to be vulnerable and risk answers we aren't comfortable with, but the rewards are SO GREAT.

Fi/Ne. Ne/Fi.

When they have practice with a person? They can be mind-readers. But the initial "figuring out" of a person is what they like just as much as what they dislike.

That's my take, anyway.
 

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Fi/Ne. Ne/Fi. When they have practice with a person? They can be mind-readers. But the initial "figuring out" of a person is what they like just as much as what they dislike. That's my take, anyway.
Do you mean ISTPs?
 

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Fi/Ne. Ne/Fi.

When they have practice with a person? They can be mind-readers. But the initial "figuring out" of a person is what they like just as much as what they dislike.

That's my take, anyway.


Need to fill up that NeSi databank first with a buttload of patterns and stuff before you can get good at that kind of cold reading :coffee:

And even then you learn to formulate your guess in such a way that it is an open question without assumptions because there's no way you'll have seen it all before, and it could just be that one thing you haven't encountered before, or a vital piece of information that changes the pattern hasn't come to light yet about this particular person.
 

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I am an INFP in a new relationship with ISTP male.
Just wondering if these slight issues are normal due to our differences or a sign of something not working:

1. I feel he is very emotionally stable which is good but I feel that I cant yet be my cranky/moody self with him as I feel he will be intimidated by this lol?

See below*

2. He talks a lot more than I do. He was actually surprised at this saying ''I am usually reserved but for some reason with you I can talk for ages.'' It is probably 70% him talking and me listening.

See below*


3. We talk a lot about everything and anything but when it comes to things like psychological concepts he seems to brush it off or not entirely understand it?

Sounds just like an interpersonal difference. My boyfriend thinks Typology is bullshit, and puts up with my interest in it. In fact, he hates therapists and psychology, even though I'm becoming a therapist. It's workable, but if he's not interested, don't try too hard to make him interested. Find the things you have in common, and focus on those. Tuck the rest into your pocket for your personal time, because not everything in a relationship has to be shared.

4. He is intelligent but not intellectual e.g. he used to be a pilot. I went to college. I feel like I'm more intellectual than he is but he is more common sense?

Does that bother you, though? My boyfriend is very intelligent, as am I. We can discuss philosophy (which he hates) and politics (which he also hates). At the same time, I don't know how we'd get by if his INTJ independence-seeking didn't impart him with basic life skills that I lack (washing, cooking, cleaning, etc).

Me? I can drive a tractor.

But I'm also going into a stable career field, setting us up for a decent financial foundation no matter what his career turns out to be. If deep discussions aren't a basic date night for you, then you're like a lot of other couples in the world. All I'd really say is be prepared to lose a lot at couples games of Trivial Pursuit you play with friends.

But if it it's something that truly bothers you, that's something you need to chew on. It's not something that can really change, which relates to a point in See Below*

5. He is a very quick talker and I love his witty humour. I can take a while to respond to questions when asked and I feel like he gets uncomfortable or bored and quickly closes this gap by saying something, which can be irritating lol.

Have you asked him? Maybe he really does feel that way, but maybe you're nervous and are assuming he feels that way because of some fear that you'll fuck the relationship up. Just ask him, make sure to mention that if he feels that way it's okay, and to find some way to work through it. You're going to want to practice that skill for the See Below* remarks.

6. Financially he is not in the best place as he is a risk-taker. I'm more of a stable saver. Even though I am much younger than him I am probably in a better place financially.

You should talk to him about that, and consider discussing you having your own bank account. This is a bit more of a type-related issue, and if he really invests himself emotionally into a risk that you're not willing to take, it can cause a pretty big issue down the road. This is a nitty and boring detail of a relationship that couples should work out, especially it can be warded off with foresight. Better a small hurt to feelings now than a massive feeling of betrayal later.

Otherwise we seem to get along well. He doesn't like pointless arguments, we can have a debate without shouting, he is super calming, he is very kind, generous, patient and even romantic (sent me beautiful roses at home), he is close to his family, he likes fixing things, he likes to take me out on dates and ''do things,'' he wants me to meet his parents and he is for some reason...even though he isn't the best looking guy... super duper sexy. I feel like I could jump him all the time but I refrain from doing so as I dont want to be a pest!!

Part of this is it being a new relationship. You have raging endorphins right now. That gets us into the See Below I keep mentioning --

See Below:

These aren't type-related so much as relationship-related. We go through different stages in a relationship, and the first 2 stages are entirely dedicated to deceptions involved in a relationship.

The 5 Relationship Stages
Yeah, the website is a little gimmicky at first, but this is actual, sound interpersonal psychology theory that it's based on.

Stage 1 is the honeymoon phase, that endorphin high where your partner could literally shit in your mouth and you'd still love them. That said, he won't, because you're both on your absolute best behavior. Lies and deceptions are involved, both big (I'm a professional race car driver who makes millions) and small, like you're doing. You're suppressing an honest side of yourself you don't want him to see.

That leads to Stage 2, where you're both being stressed out by the way maintaining the lies and deceptions you built your relationship on are costing you, while at the same time realizing that the chemical high of attraction and initial love is fading. So what do you do? You try to change things about them that you don't like. Stage 1 led to attempts to change or denial on your part, now it's his turn. You try to make him in your ideal image of a relationship.

Stage 3 is when it comes to a head, and most relationships live or die at this stage. You mentioned tryin g to seem less emotional around him? Ultimately, you can't hide your emotional self from him forever. Obviously the big lies blow apart faster and harder, because you can only pretend you're a successful race car driver for so long. But even with the small lies, too many revelations coming up at this stage can blow things apart at the seams. If you can both deal with each other's "true selves" after the deceptions, your relationship is very likely to last. If you can't, it usually ends with a breakup. Again, this is where almost all relationships die, including marriages that were entered into too quickly. If you're going to have a lasting relationship with someone, you have to bare your soul to them at some point. Otherwise, it's not really you in the relationship.

Important note: I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying it's just something that every human in a relationship does. We don't want someone to see us so sick we're shitting our pants in bed when we've dated them for 2 months. We don't want to get completely drunk in front of them to the point they're helping us throw up without cracking our head on the toilet. That's natural, but it's building a false image (deception/lie) when you say, "No, I don't ever get explosive diarrhea from yearly bouts with the flu," when you actually do. It's normal, but it has to be dealt with eventually.

At the end of the day, you need to be upfront with who you are and how you feel at all times. The sooner you say, "Hey, sometimes I have a bad day and I'm worried you'll think I'm an emotional mess," the less you have to deal with on reckoning day when you realize that Stage 1: you can't change yourself to be his perfect partner, and Stage 2: you can't change him. Instead, you learn to accept him for who he is, he learns to accept you for who you are. For a long-lasting relationship, you both have to be willing to take a few things on the chin that the other person is thinking or feeling, and use lots of problem-solving skills to find a way forward despite everything.

On that part, good luck, and remember the golden rule: be upfront and honest about it now, or be prepared to face it on the day of consequence!
 

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Fi/Ne. Ne/Fi.

When they have practice with a person? They can be mind-readers. But the initial "figuring out" of a person is what they like just as much as what they dislike.

That's my take, anyway.

Gasp! You peered behind the curtain.

(wink)


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Sounds just like an interpersonal difference. My boyfriend thinks Typology is bullshit, and puts up with my interest in it. In fact, he hates therapists and psychology, even though I'm becoming a therapist. It's workable, but if he's not interested, don't try too hard to make him interested. Find the things you have in common, and focus on those. Tuck the rest into your pocket for your personal time, because not everything in a relationship has to be shared.


But I'm also going into a stable career field, setting us up for a decent financial foundation no matter what his career turns out to be. If deep discussions aren't a basic date night for you, then you're like a lot of other couples in the world. All I'd really say is be prepared to lose a lot at couples games of Trivial Pursuit you play with friends.

But if it it's something that truly bothers you, that's something you need to chew on. It's not something that can really change, which relates to a point in See Below*


At the end of the day, you need to be upfront with who you are and how you feel at all times. The sooner you say, "Hey, sometimes I have a bad day and I'm worried you'll think I'm an emotional mess," the less you have to deal with on reckoning day when you realize that Stage 1: you can't change yourself to be his perfect partner, and Stage 2: you can't change him. Instead, you learn to accept him for who he is, he learns to accept you for who you are. For a long-lasting relationship, you both have to be willing to take a few things on the chin that the other person is thinking or feeling, and use lots of problem-solving skills to find a way forward despite everything.

On that part, good luck, and remember the golden rule: be upfront and honest about it now, or be prepared to face it on the day of consequence!

Hot damn! That's some good stuff.

Your whole post :worthy:
 

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If it's any indication, my ONLY real relationship has been/is with an ISTP (have been together for almost 2 years), and I see no signs of us breaking up anytime soon. The infatuation wore off after the first 2 months or so, and we definitely aren't perfect, but the combination just works for some reason. The key seems to be authenticity: we both dislike fakeness, and feeling obligated to act a certain way.

What you said about intelligence vs. intellectualism is accurate for us as well. I'm going to college and I love anything that's theoretical (ie. psychology, criminology, interpretation of literature, etc.) but he is really good at seeing through people, and he processes things much more quickly than I usually do.

My ISTP also talks for hours while I usually just listen, which I love. If there's one thing I absolutely cannot stand, it's people who make me wonder if I'm rambling on or not making sense because of how little they contribute to the conversation. He always has a lot to say on pretty much any topic. He has gone on full-blown rants about things that I consider sort of unimportant, like the guy's voice on the radio station we listen to. Literally. A 10-minute rant. He is very quiet and somewhat apathetic around most other people, though.

From what you described, your relationship sounds awesome. It sounds like you and your ISTP complement each other well and make up for each other's weaknesses. That's what real relationships are about. Of course, I'm sort of biased, but based on my experience I'd say it's definitely workable. Congrats and good luck on the new relationship :)

UPDATE: just read the newer posts. My ISTP can also be sort of cold/distant at times that seem random. He is usually under a lot of stress because of his family, trying to find a job, worrying about money, etc. and sometimes he expresses that in an unhealthy way. One of the not-so-great things I've noticed about ISTPs (and probably other types as well) is that a lot of them immediately dismiss any sort of input that is based on psychology or anything similar. If I told him that he expresses his stress and anger in an unhealthy way, he would probably make fun of me for it. For ISTPs, what's in front of them is what's real, and theoretical textbooks might as well be fantasy novels. This definitely poses an issue, since we INFPs tend to be dreamers. There have been some periods of time where we could barely tolerate each other, but we always manage to work through it.

I recently discovered that my boyfriend responds to me being more direct and distancing myself from him. For example, if we're hanging out and he starts saying things that are hurtful, I'll go upstairs and chill by myself for around 10-20 minutes. He usually ends up apologizing and/or asking me to come back down, which is nice because he used to always be the one leaving during arguments. Plus, it gives us both a chance to cool down. He is always nicer after that, and we have been getting along much better since then. I'm not sure, but I think it might be a Ti thing where they like to "test the waters" and see how much they can get away with. It probably doesn't apply to every ISTP, but it might help.
 

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An Introverted Relationship

Introverted relationships tend to be quiet, with far more going on under the surface than would be apparent to an outside observer. Sometimes this surface breaks and these relationships can explode into furious times of creative activity or passion, when the true thoughts, feelings and needs of partners can express in powerful ways. At rare times this can open a schism which can break a relationship apart, but normally it results in a cathartic re-establishment of balance and a return to quietness, achieved through a mutual work of creative adjustment to each partner’s previously private ideas, emotions or personal directions. On the whole, introverted relationships tend to be secure and mutually beneficial where the partners have deep feeling for one another or a shared interest in outcomes. Because of their natural tendency to keep to themselves those things which might create friction in their outer life, introverts of the most diverse character and interests can work well together and easily form harmonious relationships where a common goal or life direction exists.

ISTP/INFP Relationship Dynamics
In this relationship, strong function introverted thinking crosses with introverted feeling, while secondary function extraverted sensation crosses with extraverted intuition. This makes these partners complementary opposites, whose differing attitudes and needs might either oppose each other or join hands together, depending on the situation, the strength of their preferences and their level of self awareness.
Between strongly introverted types, this relationship will be more brittle and difficult to navigate than for those with a more balanced approach to the world. The dynamics which ultimately mediate the relationship will remain much the same, but will be easier to deal with for those with a more developed secondary functionality and stronger sense of connection to the world.

Where feeling is supported by an intuitive vision of the world, it is not so much “what is” that holds the energy of a situation, but is more “what could be”. As an introvert, the INFP drive is to try and mould situations to match their most ideal representation. That this is possible in the human world only to an imperfect extent means the INFP is rarely completely at home within, or completely satisfied with, any situation. Consequently, they spend a lot of personal energy imaging new or better situations, while those whose currency has devalued receive less and less attention. This dynamic is often visible to others in the condition of their daily life and relationships, where the imagery of their expressed hopes and dreams contrasts sharply with the leftovers from previous attempts to match reality to imagined ideal.

This way of seeing things is almost completely unfathomable to the ISTP, for whom making the best of what you actually have is second nature. The fact that their INFP partner’s search is for a feeling based human ideal rather than a more perfect and objective structural form or functionality merely adds to their difficulty in understanding their partner’s needs. Any answers they might get to their question: “So, what is it you actually want?” will be mostly incomprehensible in their ISTP language. That the ways and needs of the ISTP are also just as incomprehensible to the inner language of the INFP means a translator is needed, and without the intervention of other types who might be able to provide such a translation, finding a common language for this relationship will be one of the highest priorities for its ongoing development.

Because of the ways in which sensation and intuition can often both mimic and compensate one another, the attitudes of newly acquainted partners to a proposed project or future situation can appear to be similar or aligned. Both thinking and feeling will at first tend to reserve judgment in the initial stages of a promising relationship, so there will be a tendency for both to see value in each others attitudes. Not only this, but in cross gender relationships, each partner will provide a considerable hook for the projection of the other’s sexual type shadow; each finding the other positively “fascinating” to a certain degree. Unless they are consciously recognized and used as tools for development, such initial fascinations can work against any early development of the relationship. If simply allowed to be what they seem, gaining a true and clear appreciation of each other’s real nature and needs will be virtually impossible until they fade.

In same gender relationships between friends and acquaintances, this shadow projection has no positive fascinating qualities and is simply one’s own weaker nature reflected in the strengths of another person’s behavior. At worst, this tends to make everything the other does or says either irritating or frustrating to some degree. In other words, their behavior “fascinates” us in a negative manner, and forces us to either reject it out of hand or to try and come to terms with it.

We can see then, through the ISTP/INFP relationship, each is forced to come to terms with their own type shadow, their own weaker side, which to a greater or lesser degree, neither really understands as their own problem but as “something in the other”. Both the positive cross gender shadow relationship and the negative same gender shadow relationship provide transactional behavior which bring out these differences. The need here is for both partners to gain sufficient self awareness to be able to recognize these transactions as chances to learn, to break through into the other’s way of seeing the world and in so doing, recognize their own limitations and weaknesses in these areas.

Recognizing and understanding one’s own limitations and seeing them as strengths in another removes the fascinating connection; the need for the other’s behavior to seem provocative. This allows us to say, “Ok, everyone has their good and bad bits. Maybe I can learn how yours work for you.”

Dissolving the emotional affects that each other’s strengths and weakness provoke in their partner is the first step toward creating a mutual language of acceptance, in which real transactions of understanding can take place.

With partners who have at least come to an understanding of each other’s attitude and views there will still remain some fairly basic differences which will need to be “accommodated” rather than overcome. We cannot help being who we are and we cannot expect others to change just to suit us. Their needs must be filled in the way their nature demands, just as we expect ours should be. In this regard, there will be many human oriented things in which the INFP has great interest, but which the ISTP, honestly, couldn’t care less about. Conversely, the ISTP will have many mechanical, technical and operational interests in things which the INFP sees as being of little or no importance.

But relationships are far more about coming to terms with what each person is, rather than what they do or what they are personally interested in. Relationship accommodates difference; supporting and enhancing it. It does not measure itself by the alignment of each other’s interests, but by the way in which each supports the other. In a real relationship, “compromise” is not an option.

Making it Work
If this is a cross gender relationship, the “getting to know you” stages are usually going to be complicated by the tendency for the partners to “fall in love” with each other. “Falling in love” is truly a fall; a fall into the well of our own weaker side, where much that we find fascinating, funny, silly or quirky about our partner are really those things we automatically “forgive” in their behavior. They are the things we find “attractive” in the other, not only by their reflecting our own weaknesses in a positive light, but also by reflecting our strengths in “needful” ways which seem to irresistibly call to us; making us feel as if we must be as utterly “essential” to the other person as they feel to us.

Falling in love can bring a kind of alchemical dissolution of the opposites here, and can create, for a time, the conditions through which natural oppositions of attitude and interest are mediated through positive emotion. This can be sufficient to create the basis for an ongoing development, but it can just as easily forestall any real understanding of each other’s true self until the fascination wears off.
Between most extraverted types and some introverted types, it usually only takes the first “in your face” argument to dissolve this spell and for the relationship to then settle into a more consciously transactional phase. For these two types however, the INFP in particular, abrupt and open conflict is not a natural response to anything they feel as hurtful. Both these partners can hoard small hurts like leftovers, which then molder in their pantry of life until everything else goes off with them.

While an explosive argument can also, just as easily, end some relationships as quickly as they begin, so too can a slow but relentless build up of small resentments and misunderstandings gradually suck the life out of others. Without open and honest mediation of these small, “not quite worth talking about” difficulties, ISTP/INFP partners can reach a point where everything just seems to be no longer what it was, and no longer worth the trouble. Both the INFP and the ISTP need to be aware that it is in their nature to repress hurt and sidestep conflict, and that this is one of the most dangerous “seemingly right” things they do in relationship to another. Any such slow downhill ride created by this behavior needs to be halted immediately, or better still, never allowed to begin.

Between same sex partners where friendship or merely the ability to work together is the relationship target, the “getting to know you” process is going to be mostly about getting past any initial resistances they have to one another. Differences in attitude will be apparent right from the beginning, and while differences in interest and approach to certain situations will create obstacles, these will also be the major avenues for interpersonal transaction as each partner comes to confront and recognize the other’s quite often opposing ways.
In respect of their differing outlooks and attitudes, probably the hardest thing for both partners here to come to terms with is: “why it matters?” At those times when both are into what really satisfies them, the ISTP and the INFP can look at each other and wonder just why the things they see each other doing are so damn important. The things that the ISTP thinks most about and the things the INFP feels most strongly positive about might just as well exist in different universes.

Resolution of this difference cannot be easily mediated through a shared object or objective, but must come through recognition of each other’s inner reality and the way in which the objective world affects this reality. This can be “testing”, for the key here is for each to set their own ideas, needs and desires before the other in a way which “tests” them against the other’s rationale. Not for the purpose of criticism, but to discover the way in which each relates the other’s objectives to their own world. In this way, the partners build a picture of each other’s reality – not perhaps as something they can share, but as something they can objectify and allow for.

The INFP/ISTP relationship is going to be very much about this recognition. It means each partner finding the ways in which they can help each other to find their own fulfillment. It means: “I may not be able to give you this thing you want. I may not really even understand why you want it. But now that I know what it is, I will support your journey to find it.”

The mediating space and time required for this inner connection to each other must be created and nurtured. It can be done through simple words and the uncritical acceptance of each other’s exposure of their interests, what turns them on, what turns them off, their joys and sorrows, etc. Without a recognition of the reality of each other’s inner world, it is all too easy for them to see each other’s outer behavior and the objects of their interest as being “beside the point”, or of little or no value at all.

It is worth noting that within this relationship all the four functions are present in some measure. This means that, to the degree that each partner is willing to recognize and understand their own strength and weaknesses, this relationship has a potential space in which all aspects of a situation can be appreciated. Recognizing that our lack of adaptation to our partner’s strengths is indeed weakness on our part is the first step toward creating this space. For, as long as either partner in this relationship stands only upon the side of their strengths and admits no weakness in their perceptions, then this space will remain divided by a line neither will cross without emotional affect and the feeling they are compromising their own inner reality.

Here we provide some suggestions to enhance the development of this relationship.

ISTP suggestions:
  • You’ve probably heard the saying that for some people, it is only the journey that matters. In your own way, you kind of understand this. You enjoy the creation and completion of each step in any long process which leads to a goal. You can even be quite competitive with yourself in this regard, driving yourself to make the result of each step forward more perfect than the last. What you don’t get is the idea that the finished product could be in any way irrelevant to the process. After all, that was what it was all about, wasn’t it? Now, there isn’t much point in banging on about “feeling” and “ideals” to a thinking/sensing type like yourself, so we need to look at things in a more systematic, mechanical way. From completing each step in a process that leads toward a goal, you gain energy. Seeing the result enlivens you, and keys you up for the next part of the process. This energy which comes from the use of your strengths is what makes you feel alive, of value. It gives you your strength of self worth. This value process, this finding of our self worth through our strengths is the same for everyone, but not everyone’s strengths are the same. For your INFP partner to gain this energy, they need to feel they are doing something which will lead to value, not in some concrete sense, but in the creation of a situation from which all gain some benefit. The feeling, the energy that flows from this sense of holding an idea in mind and working towards it is what enlivens them. For them it is the idea, the thought of what is possible which is the true object of their interest. The actual, concrete outcome of their pursuits is a fine thing, but it is not the object from which they gain their energy. For them, it is truly “the journey” that matters. Without it, they are empty.
  • In the light of what we have said above, it is necessary to see that, for your partner, this way of being works at every level of their life, just as your own does for you. So, the “journey toward the ideal” does not just represent itself in great doings or desires, but in the way they value every object and situation in their life. You will notice that the things they keep, the things “close to their heart”, always seem to represent something further; that they are not so much valued for being what they are, but for their symbolizing something greater. You need to respect this, to discover and understand the things they point toward, for these are the true creators of energy in your partner’s life. No-one is suggesting that you need also to find value in these things, but that you recognize the value such things have for your partner. In this way you can enable them, through your own strengths, to more fully express these values. Remember, that you too are included in this valuing process, that your own personality represents an ideal to your partner. For them, your own journey towards making yourself a better, more fully accomplished person is a real enactment of their feelings for you.
  • At the mention of any new idea or object, your own practical thinking process gets straight into gear, analyzing it, working out how it will come together with everything else, etc. This is natural for you, but it’s a might tedious for your partner – particularly when the idea or object is something related to their own needs. For them, clinical or mechanical “appreciations” are actually “depreciations”, for they not only miss the focus of the energy within the situation for them, but by doing so make it seem that you are devaluing its reality. The answer to this is not so difficult in practice. Simply try to see what is being put before you as a symbol, as a representation of a possible idea. The key is not in the thing itself, but in what it represents to your partner. So you don’t have to get stuck into the mechanics straight up. All you have to do is take the right attitude, the kind which says: “Okay, so how would you like to deal with this? Are there practical ways in which you would like me to deal with it?”
INFP Suggestions:
  • “Oh, don’t bother me with the details.” How many times have you thought or said that? All those fussy little “real” bits that people always bring into the argument which only take the shine off the goal ahead. Sometimes you wonder if you must be the only person who can see the real point of the thing. Well, it is possible that you are – particularly if this is a personal goal, something that has moved you privately. Your partner certainly won’t see it as you can. They will see the real world aspects, along with all those logistical and problematic little technical details they create that you find so bothersome. The thing is, they are not devaluing your vision by attending to such things. Concentrating on such matters is the only way forward for them, the only way to produce the very purpose you see. If they simply waved your idea away, then you would have just reason to be affronted. But if they are getting into the details and the technical problems then at least they are considering your idea. You know that without the idea, without the necessary feeling, there is nothing. But without the technical means as well, then the idea and the feeling remains just that; something uncreated and unfulfilled.
  • In the light of what we have said above, you have to look at how your interests can intersect with your partner’s personality in ways they can enhance by being involved. This may not be simple, as many of your positive connections and desires work more within the human world of feeling than the sensate world of external, nut and bolt reality. But every momentary human feeling also looks forward – you know this. And this forward or “future possible” aspect means there is always a demand for the sensate, logical world to create ways in which such feelings can be made operational; to be available to all. For instance, a church might be a group of people, but in reality they need a place of worship. The designers, stonemasons, and builders may not share your faith, but they are necessary and worthy parts of its establishment in the real world. If you think of it this way, then you will see the many possible ways in which your ideas might engage your partner’s positive energy, rather than leaving them to be a mere “outsider” whose skills “miss the point”.
  • There are ways of putting things which can either include others or actually exclude them. The Tao, or “the way” of the Chinese enhances the idea that people who have worked together toward a goal will then say “we did it”. The idea or the focus of the goal may have come from one person, and it may only have been through the realization of it’s purpose that others came to see or understand its value. So at the outset, inclusive ways of making one’s ideas known tend to draw others into our thoughts. Exclusive ways of expression give the listener the idea that you think: “only I can see it, only I can feel this.” This makes them far more likely to sit back and merely criticize your idea than to feel they can contribute towards its expression. When you are gripped by an idea, make sure you find ways in which to include your partner in your appreciation of it; offer them some hooks by which to catch their attention. Find ways to say “do you think we could” or “do you think we can” as often as possible, but never forget to allow them their space in such conversations. Let them, as far it is possible for them to do so, become a bridge to your dreams; not a barrier.
For both partners:
  • You both need space and time to attend to your interests and to draw in the energy they bring. However, the way you each use this space and time to its best will be quite different. It is quite possible that you will not be able to use a shared space for all these pursuits. Try and ensure that your own needs can be met in this regard, without encroaching upon the time and space your partner needs for themselves. If this means creating separate areas of focus for each of you, then try to make it so. Remember, your partner’s needs are as important as yours and that the space they need to enact these needs may require quite different aspects. Some of these aspects may seem to have little meaning for you, so it is all the more important that you respect these. In fact, the more care you take for the things in your partner’s life which seem to have no grip on your own ideas, the more they will respect your own individuality and needs.

The Key
If there is a key to this relationship then surely it must come through the recognition that there are truly some things we are lacking, some parts of our personality which just don’t rise to the occasion very well, and that these are the very things our partner can bring into our life. By recognizing this, we are then able to take a more objective view of our own personality, and locate ways in which we can use some of our partner’s energy and qualities to enhance our own weaker side. Mutual recognition of each other’s innate reality unlocks the potentials in this relationship. These two people are not going to become “joined at the hip”, but through mutual recognition and appreciation of each other’s qualities, can become joined in a place where nothing can enter to disturb the balance.
 

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I am an INFP in a new relationship with ISTP male.
Just wondering if these slight issues are normal due to our differences or a sign of something not working:

1. I feel he is very emotionally stable which is good but I feel that I cant yet be my cranky/moody self with him as I feel he will be intimidated by this lol?
2. He talks a lot more than I do. He was actually surprised at this saying ''I am usually reserved but for some reason with you I can talk for ages.'' It is probably 70% him talking and me listening.
3. We talk a lot about everything and anything but when it comes to things like psychological concepts he seems to brush it off or not entirely understand it?
4. He is intelligent but not intellectual e.g. he used to be a pilot. I went to college. I feel like I'm more intellectual than he is but he is more common sense?
5. He is a very quick talker and I love his witty humour. I can take a while to respond to questions when asked and I feel like he gets uncomfortable or bored and quickly closes this gap by saying something, which can be irritating lol.
6. Financially he is not in the best place as he is a risk-taker. I'm more of a stable saver. Even though I am much younger than him I am probably in a better place financially.

Otherwise we seem to get along well. He doesn't like pointless arguments, we can have a debate without shouting, he is super calming, he is very kind, generous, patient and even romantic (sent me beautiful roses at home), he is close to his family, he likes fixing things, he likes to take me out on dates and ''do things,'' he wants me to meet his parents and he is for some reason...even though he isn't the best looking guy... super duper sexy. I feel like I could jump him all the time but I refrain from doing so as I dont want to be a pest!!

Are these differences normal and workable?

Your use of "slightly" says its workable as well as your wording matches it. Doesnt sound like blind infatuation, just cautious. I cant relate to what you said so i just have to go off of my impression based on your words.
 

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Need to fill up that NeSi databank first with a buttload of patterns and stuff before you can get good at that kind of cold reading :coffee:

And even then you learn to formulate your guess in such a way that it is an open question without assumptions because there's no way you'll have seen it all before, and it could just be that one thing you haven't encountered before, or a vital piece of information that changes the pattern hasn't come to light yet about this particular person.

That sounds so Ne and P. Cant stop trying new things...it cant all be learned....what if i do it a fifth time? Will it change...lol
 

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The INFP/ISTP relationship is going to be very much about this recognition. It means each partner finding the ways in which they can help each other to find their own fulfillment. It means: “I may not be able to give you this thing you want. I may not really even understand why you want it. But now that I know what it is, I will support your journey to find it.”
[MENTION=20044]chubber[/MENTION] that was an excellent read and this quote at the bottom is pretty spot on with STP/NFP dynamic. I think there has to be a leap of faith in these partnerships and if there isn't it will likely fail quickly.
 

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[MENTION=20044]chubber[/MENTION] that was an excellent read and this quote at the bottom is pretty spot on with STP/NFP dynamic. I think there has to be a leap of faith in these partnerships and if there isn't it will likely fail quickly.

Its 2 types who can just trust each other, though we are crazy different internally. Pretty much have to rely on trust.
 
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