[sx] What is the difference between an Sx/So 1w2 ESTJ and an Sx/Sp 1w2 ESTJ?

[Avocado]

Both are very intense, assertive 1w2s who justify their desires with rationalization and righteous anger, but how else do they differ?

 

[RadicalDoubt]

For those to, I'd just focus on the differences between sx/so and sx/sp as a whole rather than combining three parts of the typology system. sx/sp will be significantly more brash and inattentive to social niceties due to the lack of soc. Additionally, they'll have a stronger sense of boundaries and, despite being intensity seeking, will still be concerned with self-maintenance and security. sx/so on the other hand would be a bit more tolerant of social niceties and group dynamics (in the sense it can be useful in obtaining their desires). As a whole, they are much less security conscious and are more and intensely intensity/thrill seeking even outside of traditional safety.

If may also be helpful to look at the social and self preservation 1 descriptions, just to see which one applies less to the person you desire to type here:

Both of these are from Wisdom of The Enneagram
sp 1:

Self-Control. In the average range, Self-Preservation Ones tend to worry about their material well-being, both in terms of finances and health, and they often castigate themselves for not working hard enough (like average Sixes). The Self-Preservation instinct also gives them strong drives for gratification, but their Type One superego can be severe in countering those drives. The resulting inner conflict is the source of continual stress, physical tension, and an all-or-nothing attitude with regard to their pleasures and desires. They may either indulge themselves and their desires, or go through periods of asceticism, during which their desires are suppressed as much as possible. As they become more identified with their superego dictates, they become very fearful about making mistakes that seem like catastrophes to them. They feel that any wrong action could result in the undoing of their well-being. They can be quite picky and fastidious about their environment. (Picture Felix Unger in The Odd Couple.) They value cleanliness, order, hygiene, and aesthetics, and they are often preoccupied with health and diet, religiously subscribing to beliefs about vitamins, macrobiotics, homeopathic remedies, and so forth. With others, they tend to be overprotective about the things that they worry about in themselves. If they are worried about getting sick, they scold others about not taking care of their health. If they have money concerns, they exhort others to save. In the lower Levels, the harshness of their superego causes them to feel undeserving of any kind of comfort or reward. In the unhealthy range, Self-Preservation Ones begin to oscillate be tween periods of strict restraint of their appetites and periods of excess and debauch. They often become obsessed with health matters, especially with regard to food. They often attempt to justify or undo their violations of their own dietary or health requirements. They may binge on sweets, or drink excessively, then goon a crash diet. Milkshakes and fries are fol lowed by handfuls of vitamins. Self-Preservation Ones are prone to eating disorders and extreme practices to curb their instinctual impulses, including asceticism, excessive fasting, binge eating and purging, and so forth.

so 1:

The Crusader. In the average range, Social Ones believe that they represent objective values, social standards, and that they speak for others. Teaching, advocating, and moralizing can be part of the picture, but mostly about social issues and about rules and procedures. They are often interested in politics, current affairs, and journalism and are adept at uncovering the"dirt," exposing wrongdoing and speaking out against injustices. On the other hand, they will work patiently to bring about the reforms they see as necessary—improving the local schools, getting their co-op involved with recycling, and so forth. Social Ones derive a vivid sense of themselves by holding strong opinions and convictions and arguing for their perspective.They value these qualities in others as well, although when more fixated, they expect others always to agree with them. This can lead to rigidity both in their thinking and in their behavior. Their views can become a boundary, an armor against die world. And since Ones apply the rules most rigorously to themselves, they fear ever being caught contradicting their own stated beliefs and opinions. Although Social Ones insist that others should not take their criticisms and views personally, they take things personally, often reacting to public policies as if they were personal affronts or triumphs. In the unhealthy range, Social Ones hold unrealistic standards and expectations for themselves, others, and society at large. They may be come involved in extreme political views or strict religious dogmas (libertarianism is the only solution to the country's ills; no sexual activity in marriage unless it can lead directly to conception). In the lower Levels, they can engage in rants and tirades, constantly feeling outrage at the imperfections of humanity.

 

[Avocado]

For those to, I'd just focus on the differences between sx/so and sx/sp as a whole rather than combining three parts of the typology system. sx/sp will be significantly more brash and inattentive to social niceties due to the lack of soc. Additionally, they'll have a stronger sense of boundaries and, despite being intensity seeking, will still be concerned with self-maintenance and security. sx/so on the other hand would be a bit more tolerant of social niceties and group dynamics (in the sense it can be useful in obtaining their desires). As a whole, they are much less security conscious and are more and intensely intensity/thrill seeking even outside of traditional safety.

If may also be helpful to look at the social and self preservation 1 descriptions, just to see which one applies less to the person you desire to type here:

Both of these are from Wisdom of The Enneagram
sp 1:

so 1:

I was wondering since my mom self-indentified as a Sx/Sp when she took tests and looked at the descriptions, but that was a couple years ago and since I’ve moved out, I observe just how brazen and passionate she is that she knows the truth and everybody else is corrupt and she is here to “smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit”. She openly tirades about the sins of others, especially sins related sex like interracial marriage, sex before marriage, and same sex marraige. If she’s out at a restaurant and her food comes out wrong, she throws a fit. She will not only complain in detail every way her order is wrong, she will attack the waitor or waitress for percieved sins she sees in them. That said, she is also a skilled orator and very charismatic. She’s used her social skills to get a degree of power in the community. She is also says she needs a man in her life, and every time one of her husbands die, she dates a man at most 2 weeks before marrying him. She is also a clean freak and super organized. She diets and fasts religiously, and is very disciplined, and is not tolerant of others she percieves as lacking discipline. She is the first to shout at somebody at a work luncheon “GLUTTON! YOU WILL NOT HAVE SECONDS!”. After moving out, I gave her one of my house keys for her to use in emergencies, but she just randomly walks in my house without permission or warning. She criticizes me in my house for not folding my laundry right and lacking order in my home. She regularly crosses the boundries of others but loudly protests and gets angry when people cross her boundries. She criticizes others around her freely but becomes angry and offended when she is criticized. She wants everybody to conform to her ideals with the same zeal she conforms to them. She told me she “needs to be needed”. She interjects herself in the affairs of others whether or not she is wanted there. While she is definately Sx first, I could easily see her as So second or Sp second. Both So and Sp seem moderately present in her, but in the brief time she looked at typings, she seemed to relate more to Sx/Sp since she says she “tells it like it is”. I started working for her because she offers double the pay of everybody else and she is considered the top of her field professionally.

That said, I’m the lazy, gluttonous Sp-dom 7w6 foil to her Sx-dom 1w2. I annoy her badly.

I moderately relate to both Sx and So, and wonder which is second for me. Until I was 22, I related more to Sp/So since even though I wanted to enjoy life, I didn’t want it to be at the expense of other’s fun and enjoyment in life, so I moderated my gluttony. Now, though, I could see myself as Sp/Sx, since I’m annoyed by people competing for resources I want, so I spitefully take more than I need or want in case I need or want it later.

 

[Neokortex]

Since I've never met one Sx dom ESTJ, I can't be sure one even exists, let alone Sx/So/Sp 1w2
Since I have some perfectionist qualities, they also entail me not making assumptions about some things I don't have experience of.