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Multiple Enneagram Subtypes/Instincts What do you dream about? (literal dreams during sleep)

Mind Maverick

ENTP 8w7 845 Sp/Sx
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I don't recall my dreams often at all, but the ones I do recall are almost always surreal, abstract, or otherwise unrealistic (such as having superpowers, which I dream of a lot, and because I'm waking up I first find myself dreaming of not being able to use them anymore).

As for the other "out of this world" stuff...for example, I once dreamt of stretching an unrealistically long snake across a road and lifting it up over cars as they pass by. Weird "what kind of drugs did I do in my sleep" shit.
 

Chad of the OttomanEmpire

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I had a dream last night that I feel was somehow related to sx-first.

In it, I was talking to my therapist, and I had brought my friend Ren with me (these are both real people irl). She and Ren started talking, and then the therapist found her so charming and adorable she was totally taken with her. She kissed her on the nose as though she were a puppy or a small child (i.e., not in a gay way). I was totally left out of this equation, despite the fact that it was my therapy session.

I've considered this being related to the envy of my 4-fix; I've considered it being some "invisibility" issue that comes from the gut center. But I feel like that's not right. Nor am I envious of my friend Ren irl (admittedly, she IS more cute and charming than me, and I know it, and this doesn't bother me). Instead, I feel like it was related the sx need to "capture" attention, to share one's innermost thoughts, and the insecurity around not being "attractive" enough to do that (in this case, being cute, charming, and with an interesting story). This instance hurt me, the way it hurts when something fucks with my dominant instinct. It hurt so bad I woke up in a state of panic and distress. It was like, NOOOOOOO!!!!

And then I thought I should write it here for science.

I should also say I had a fever at the time, which may have influenced this dream. I'm not sure how, although I don't normally have dreams that hurt that much.
 

Morpeko

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I tend to dream about my house being broken into by burglars and murderers. I guess that's pretty stereotypically sp.

Other common dreams I've had are revenge on childhood bullies, drowning, and getting into relationships with people who intrigue me.

I don't remember most of my other dreams, or they're just as mundane as my actual life.
 
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I dream a lot about mundane things, like going to university, doing exams, walking in a forest, hanging out with friends, smoking weed, driving, etc. Another thing I frequently dream about is being chased by someone who wants to harm me, even though it happened less frequently recently
Sometimes I have very vivid dreams about hurting people in horrible ways, or otherwise very violent dreams. I've had them ever since I was a small child, and I always feel very upset about them when I wake up
A peculiarity about my dreams is that I'm rarely myself in them. I often dream of being someone else, usually a young man my age (which I can't explain, since I'm happy with being born a woman), but sometimes also other people. Whenever I've talked to someone else about this fact, everyone has always ever told me that they always dream of being themselves in their dreams. When I dream of being a male, I'm very upset with the fact that the people in my dreams keep referring to me as a male, because I still feel I am myself, therefore a woman... I don't know, I guess it sounds pretty weird
 

Luminous

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I dream a lot about mundane things, like going to university, doing exams, walking in a forest, hanging out with friends, smoking weed, driving, etc. Another thing I frequently dream about is being chased by someone who wants to harm me, even though it happened less frequently recently
Sometimes I have very vivid dreams about hurting people in horrible ways, or otherwise very violent dreams. I've had them ever since I was a small child, and I always feel very upset about them when I wake up
A peculiarity about my dreams is that I'm rarely myself in them. I often dream of being someone else, usually a young man my age (which I can't explain, since I'm happy with being born a woman), but sometimes also other people. Whenever I've talked to someone else about this fact, everyone has always ever told me that they always dream of being themselves in their dreams. When I dream of being a male, I'm very upset with the fact that the people in my dreams keep referring to me as a male, because I still feel I am myself, therefore a woman... I don't know, I guess it sounds pretty weird

I sometimes dream I'm someone else, though it's never upsetting in that I never feel I'm me but in a different body. I don't think it's ever any real person.
 

RadicalDoubt

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I don't really have reoccurring themes in my dreams often, but they're typically related to problems that are plaguing me. If I really take the time to analyze them, I can sometimes figure out how to solve certain problems or discover thing I'm fixating on. Nonetheless, here's some trends I suppose:

- I've only ever had one dream that could even possibly qualify as a nightmare
- I dream in vivid color and occasionally have dream sensations or can read in my dreams
- Occasionally I'll have the "falling from a high place dreams" which typically result in me jolting awake
- Occasionally I'll dream of things like threadlike fungi, oatmeal (?), and most recently shells covering people's skin
- Typically my dreams involve animals and/or plants and are often nature oriented
- Often my dreams are "storylined." They're often fantastical and can be separated into two distinct parts, almost as if they were two separate dreams occuring in sequence one after the other
- During a period of growth for me, I repeatedly dreamt of watching and being unable to save drowning kittens and eventually small children
- Most recently I've had a reoccurring theme of performance in my dreams. One I was performing myself with king koupa on a singing talent show and in the other a trans woman was coming out while performing on American idol
- Despite the mention of Koupa, pop culture rarely permeates my dream
- People often die or are murdered in my dream (not by me, often by animals). I have died in my dreams, but this doesn't incite fear
-I've had a couple of cases of dream paralysis and dreams which seemed super real and left me feeling exhausted when I wake up. Pretty sure this is stress related.
- I've only once ever had a sex related dream (and it was about assault rather than a pleasant depiction of sex).

As a change of pace, pop culture has now started to permeate my dream space. My dreams are still very disconnected from reality (but still progress like a story/movie in the fact that events often connect) and often occur in places I've never been. I've always been pretty good at imaging and designing scenery. Now I have background music in my dreams and it's often dramatic.

We can also add nightmares now hahaaaa, mostly about my dog getting mauled or injured unfortunately. I'd assume that's because of the past, but idk.

We can add twice to the sex dream thing, and both times it's been assault, but never with myself as the main character.
 

Saturnal Snowqueen

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80% of my dreams these days are about school, so it gets pretty repetitive. I'm a working adult, why do I keep dreaming about school?? Probably because as stressful as it was it was it was way more exciting than anything going on in my life now. Low grades are a very common theme, and they're the closest thing to nightmares I have. I haven't been dreaming as much lately, but I also have a lot of dreams about burning buildings. I have a lot of dark dreams about disasters or stuff being destroyed, and yet they're a nightmare. Is it the 9 fear of loss showing? I do have a lot of interest in weather too, so it's probably that. I've been having a lot of forum dreams as well though nothing too grand(woke up thinking the search function was working recently). Another common theme is finding myself in different countries, which make for some of my favorite dreams. If I'm having a dream right when I'm falling asleep or am having a nap, it's often of me gaming. It's really neat, the game is on screen in my mind and I'm making my moves and it feels almost real. Very SP dreams I'd say.
 

yubitzu

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I'll copy paste this dream I had the other day.I had sent it to a discord sv im in.Now I'll be sharing with you.
TW:Murder,guns.

"Two men with lots of guns are killing everyone in a small supermarket.Police,fbi,random people,everyone comes to stops them and they kill all.Their motivations are unknown,but they are beyond expert.They seem to be eating cheetos ,doritos and other things like that from the store as they kill everyone,I believe they were raiding the store in pursue of junk food"

I called this dream "The Junk-Food Killers"

Now this is just some dream.If I'd have to look for a reocurrent theme ,for some reason I always dream about my childhood to highschool crush or people that I love being separated from me.I can recall a dream I had when I was a kid.My mom was outside the house and I was inside.She asked me to let her in,but for some reason,I wouldn't open the door.She starts crying and yelling "dont leave me,please",but I still dont open the door for her,even though I want to,and then I wake up crying.
 

The Cat

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I want you to really ask yourself what you dream about at night (or day for you 3rd shifters and vampires). Specifically, I want you to try your best to focus on your feelings during the dream and how the dream itself impacts your sense of well-being. This will probably take some time, so observe your dreams for awhile while you ponder impact and connections.

Here's what I often dream about (this is going to be painfully boring to many of you):
- running late for work
- driving around on chaotic overlapping highways and feeling stressed about missing my turn, and often missing my turn
- having to pee really bad and having my ONLY option be a long row of stalls that for some reason have walls that don't come high enough to obstruct the line of vision between me and those around me, or have no doors, and oftentimes the place is disgusting
- dressing rooms with the above scenario
- some of my most enjoyable dreams have been about sales at clothing stores where I get to pick through cool shit for cheap (I told you this would be boring)
- I almost never dream about sex, and my partner is generally not visible in my dreams but palpable as a supportive character by my side (I occasionally dream about Jilling Off though, and hugs)
- sometimes I have dreams about running from a threatening character who's plan is to kill me, and sometimes they trick me with their identity and I don't find out until after awhile (like a shady sidekick)
- I recently had a dream where I was enjoying having a home with a beautiful large wooden deck with pergola and several ridiculously large luscious plants dangling down from said pergola, and then shortly after I found myself looking off to the horizon and seeing several enormous tree branches flying toward me from the distance, spinning wildly as if a tornado was approaching, and my entire focus became getting back to the door of my home for safety

I have relatively boring dreams compared to many. I never have apocalyptic dreams and rarely have sex dreams (like my S.O. does alllllll the time), and I never dream about friends or family (except very rare occasions with family, and primarily my children, or possibly a deranged and dangerous version of my deceased father).

Upon deep reflection and perhaps a bit of an "Aha!" moment, I realized that my dreams are painfully centered around self-preservation. They always involve commodities such as time and money, or more overtly - feelings of insecurity. A deficit of a commodity causes me great distress but also a desire to hide and manage that distress (countertype 4 image control, perhaps?), and a surplus of commodity is pleasurable for me (I mean... who fucking enjoys dreams about clothing sales???). My dreams never give me a sense of excitement, but rather either panic/stress or a sense of calm and well-being. There is never a sense of fiery connection between myself and another, or a sense of community (ha... hahaha.... ha.... no), but I frequently enjoy a parallel companionship, which as I mentioned is typically sort of an off-camera role but nevertheless sensed.

Sooooo.... what I really wanna know is: "What do you dream about and how does that reflect your instinctual variants?"

And if you notice a rift between your dreams and instincts, it is my opinion that you should re-assess your instinctual subtypes. My reasoning behind this is that instincts are our most deeply immovable survival motivators, and it stands to reason that we dream to process and reconcile the differences between our needs and reality. It's really easy to look up at the beauty and wonder of a grand oak tree, but it's much harder to observe the roots grounding it below.

Well aint this a flash back to happier times...anyway, I've given it about two years... and I still dont understand the question. I've been paying attention to my dreams...but what exactly are you asking about? The ordering of your words means nothing to me contextually? I request a clarifying. :mellow:
 

Maou

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I want you to really ask yourself what you dream about at night (or day for you 3rd shifters and vampires). Specifically, I want you to try your best to focus on your feelings during the dream and how the dream itself impacts your sense of well-being. This will probably take some time, so observe your dreams for awhile while you ponder impact and connections.

Here's what I often dream about (this is going to be painfully boring to many of you):
- running late for work
- driving around on chaotic overlapping highways and feeling stressed about missing my turn, and often missing my turn
- having to pee really bad and having my ONLY option be a long row of stalls that for some reason have walls that don't come high enough to obstruct the line of vision between me and those around me, or have no doors, and oftentimes the place is disgusting
- dressing rooms with the above scenario
- some of my most enjoyable dreams have been about sales at clothing stores where I get to pick through cool shit for cheap (I told you this would be boring)
- I almost never dream about sex, and my partner is generally not visible in my dreams but palpable as a supportive character by my side (I occasionally dream about Jilling Off though, and hugs)
- sometimes I have dreams about running from a threatening character who's plan is to kill me, and sometimes they trick me with their identity and I don't find out until after awhile (like a shady sidekick)
- I recently had a dream where I was enjoying having a home with a beautiful large wooden deck with pergola and several ridiculously large luscious plants dangling down from said pergola, and then shortly after I found myself looking off to the horizon and seeing several enormous tree branches flying toward me from the distance, spinning wildly as if a tornado was approaching, and my entire focus became getting back to the door of my home for safety

I have relatively boring dreams compared to many. I never have apocalyptic dreams and rarely have sex dreams (like my S.O. does alllllll the time), and I never dream about friends or family (except very rare occasions with family, and primarily my children, or possibly a deranged and dangerous version of my deceased father).

Upon deep reflection and perhaps a bit of an "Aha!" moment, I realized that my dreams are painfully centered around self-preservation. They always involve commodities such as time and money, or more overtly - feelings of insecurity. A deficit of a commodity causes me great distress but also a desire to hide and manage that distress (countertype 4 image control, perhaps?), and a surplus of commodity is pleasurable for me (I mean... who fucking enjoys dreams about clothing sales???). My dreams never give me a sense of excitement, but rather either panic/stress or a sense of calm and well-being. There is never a sense of fiery connection between myself and another, or a sense of community (ha... hahaha.... ha.... no), but I frequently enjoy a parallel companionship, which as I mentioned is typically sort of an off-camera role but nevertheless sensed.

Sooooo.... what I really wanna know is: "What do you dream about and how does that reflect your instinctual variants?"

And if you notice a rift between your dreams and instincts, it is my opinion that you should re-assess your instinctual subtypes. My reasoning behind this is that instincts are our most deeply immovable survival motivators, and it stands to reason that we dream to process and reconcile the differences between our needs and reality. It's really easy to look up at the beauty and wonder of a grand oak tree, but it's much harder to observe the roots grounding it below.

The only difference between my dreams and yours, is the "place holders". The content of the dreams are the same, but the apperances of what is causing the dream is different. Which is why I call them place holders. We can both have anxiety in a dream, and yours would be the overpass and missing your turn. Mine would be getting tangled up in power lines as I try to enjoy flying.

Many of my fantastical dream constructs are no where near as cool and detailed as they sound. Because I've not actually seen them. They're amalgamations of pre-existing place holders stitched seamlessly into new abominations. Dreams often use videogame graphics to fill in the blanks, because it doesn't have a complete model to go off of in reality. Minecraft greatly altered my dream construction for example. After playing it for a few years. This is because it allows your brain to understand and constructed non-complicated models of areas quickly. Then it makes them more realistic and seamless to what you are used to outside with your senses.

I've interpreted dreams for a while, and I always tell people its not what you see. It is what you feel that is important. And everyone has pretty much the same dreams, just with different placeholders. This list you have isn't unusual.
 

Peter Deadpan

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Well aint this a flash back to happier times...anyway, I've given it about two years... and I still dont understand the question. I've been paying attention to my dreams...but what exactly are you asking about? The ordering of your words means nothing to me contextually? I request a clarifying. :mellow:

I was looking for patterns in dreams in relation to one's instinctual drives. I still think there is something to this, but I've not thought about it in a long time.

The instinctual variants are instinctual... the most animalistic part of one's personality structure. It's the preferred strategy for survival. Dreams are fascinating in that they are simulations our brains run when we aren't conscious, so I believe the data within them is overall less compromised and more raw, less postured by the ego layer of our personalities. Therefore, I think there is valuable information within them that can point us to blind spots within our personality structure.

I literally never dream about things that would fall symbolically into the realm of the social instinct. I am almost always alone in my dreams, and I usually have some kind of self-preservation mission, whether that be boring, scary, or whatever. I occasionally dream about the soothing nature of romantic love... I would rather dream about being embraced than having sex, and that's exactly what happens usually. Those are the dreams I loathe waking from, and sometimes I'll just lie in bed awake clinging to them for awhile.

I almost never dream of family, including my children, or friends. People in my dreams tend to morph identities anyway, or represent real people despite not looking like them (happens with my lovers frequently). I have almost a mild case of prosopagnosia ("face blindness") in reality, so it doesn't surprise me that I can't craft real faces in my dreams (and I never see my own).

I'm digressing. My point is that I do feel that the instincts are guaranteed to show up in one's dreams. I agree with what [MENTION=37565]Dareyth[/MENTION] said about feeling states being of more importance for dream analysis, but I think there can be contextual clues to personality structure as well. It's the storyline or mission along with the feelings and who is around that that can paint a complete picture.
 

Virtual ghost

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I don't even remember when was the last time I dreamed something. For years I don't seem to be dreaming about anything by very large part.
While I probably didn't have a classic nightmare for almost a decade. So for me sleeping is basically a blackout in a certain sense, since I seem to be shallow sleeper.


So/Sp should probably be the first in line to be like this.
 

Saturnal Snowqueen

Solastalgia 𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊
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Another common dream is nightmares about teeth, mostly having loose ones and worrying about them falling out. It seems very sp, they're one of the most real feeling dreams I have. I think it's partially to do with how I'm so creeped out by teeth, but also there's a shame in losing my teeth(like not taking good care of them and then you're going to lose them and have gap teeth). I have a huge fear of that...*goes to brush teeth*
 

highlander

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incredible sex.
 

yubitzu

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Let me write what I dreamed last night,or at least what little I was able to remember after waking up

"I commited a crime and I got two of the best lawyers to defend me,both are girls,one is a blonde and one has black hair and they seem very bubbly and optimistic.I lose the case and get sent to jail,but they decide to pick up guns and come get me out by force"
And that's all the dream.
My dreams tend to be like movie endings or trailers
 
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