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    Default Extroverted Sx/Sp?

    I have a hard time understanding the contradiction of being, technically speaking, an extrovert and social instinctual variant blindspot person. I understand that introversion and extroversion don't actually have to do with people and level of social interest, but ones relationship to the subjective and objective realities. However, I find it confusing both to know how a so-blind extrovert would navigate their life in terms of fulfillment and development, as well as how to differentiate the blurred lines between them and true introverts -- knowing that they live their lives in pretty stereotypically introverted ways.

    How do you truly tell apart an introvert from an extroverted Sx/Sp? How does an extroverted Sx/Sp grow and do life?

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    I don't know; you tell me!

    While the combination of the two typologies seems to work well when we look for basic Enneatype features at certain MBTI type 'samples' -- but instincts..., ehh.

    Online, on forums, it's hard to verify the validity. People can write anything but it might turn out later, become revealed in their other posts that their "So blind spot" wasn't as serious or as word-for-word as the descriptions indicate. It's really what it all boils down to and the thing, I believe, most people misunderstand or unconsciously distort to fit their mind's wishes. It's like the dog chasing its tail, our mind always eludes us and uses whatever it's out there, whatever cultural memes, ideological fodder to cover up its blind spots. So in a sense, coming here, suspending our disbelief and taking these theories seriously (taking abstract stuff at face value and downplaying the variable of deceptive online self-representation) is a social action in itself. It's a form of conformity, going with the herd.
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    It's a bit of a mind fuck, isn't it?
    Despite what some others see in me here, I am still leaning toward being an extremely withdrawn extrovert. It's super easy for Ne-doms to mistake themselves for introverts, especially when you throw in a withdrawn enneagram type (or two) and Sp-first or I suppose So-last.

    Sx/Sp is the "most conflicted" stacking in short because the second instinct is used freely as a tool for attaining security with the first instinct, which is our most fragile instinct. Thus, one can imagine how it may be difficult to attain Sx comfort by using Sp. With either So-blind spot, there will be a push-pull dynamic, but it is markedly more noticeable in Sx/Sp.

    An Sx/Sp extrovert, I would imagine, would have a steady nagging desire for more, but would feel a frustration with difficulty in maintaining it. They would find their bursts of Sx engagement stimulating and enjoy brief breaks, which they need, but would quickly yearn for that next hit.

    Perhaps the extroverted type would be more impulsive than the introverted type (assuming normal to good health levels in both types). They would probably also search for Sx in multiple sources as opposed to primarily in a partner. I imagine them being more of a wanderer than the introverted counterpart, who would likely take longer breaks between Sx activities.

    They can grow by owning their shit and not relying solely on others for fulfilling their desires for both stimulation and space, and by communicating those needs respectfully. Basically, find your own hobbies and don't be a dick.

    (Some of this is observation and some speculation. I dated an Sx/Sp for awhile and it was a wild ride that quickly became unenjoyable. I also constantly analyze my own behavior to assess my own instinctual stacking, which I am 95% sure is So-blind).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    It's a bit of a mind fuck, isn't it?
    Despite what some others see in me here, I am still leaning toward being an extremely withdrawn extrovert. It's super easy for Ne-doms to mistake themselves for introverts, especially when you throw in a withdrawn enneagram type (or two) and Sp-first or I suppose So-last.

    Sx/Sp is the "most conflicted" stacking in short because the second instinct is used freely as a tool for attaining security with the first instinct, which is our most fragile instinct. Thus, one can imagine how it may be difficult to attain Sx comfort by using Sp. With either So-blind spot, there will be a push-pull dynamic, but it is markedly more noticeable in Sx/Sp.

    An Sx/Sp extrovert, I would imagine, would have a steady nagging desire for more, but would feel a frustration with difficulty in maintaining it. They would find their bursts of Sx engagement stimulating and enjoy brief breaks, which they need, but would quickly yearn for that next hit.

    Perhaps the extroverted type would be more impulsive than the introverted type (assuming normal to good health levels in both types). They would probably also search for Sx in multiple sources as opposed to primarily in a partner. I imagine them being more of a wanderer than the introverted counterpart, who would likely take longer breaks between Sx activities.

    They can grow by owning their shit and not relying solely on others for fulfilling their desires for both stimulation and space, and by communicating those needs respectfully. Basically, find your own hobbies and don't be a dick.

    (Some of this is observation and some speculation. I dated an Sx/Sp for awhile and it was a wild ride that quickly became unenjoyable. I also constantly analyze my own behavior to assess my own instinctual stacking, which I am 95% sure is So-blind).
    Sometimes i read your posts and wonder if you are my alter ago who posts when i am sleeping or doing work.

    this is very true of my own journey figuring out where i fit within all of these categories. i still don't feel like much of an extravert... or more like i am a failed extravert because i don't do much extraverty things. especially when i compare my energy level to my ESFP or ENFJ friends who sincerely glow from within like they consumed a million fireflies every time they touch another person. ofc, these two examples are also both SX/SO types and that definitely pumps up their E.

    Being SX dom can often feel like what I imagine an Oxygen atom feels like. Constantly desiring an intimate bond with someone. and then you achieve those and it's time for SP to be like, yo your valence shells are full! STAWP.

    eventually, if all goes well one hopes that their O atom morphs down the line to being a teensy bit closer to a noble gas, but not quite because bonding is still wonderful.

    and i think i navigate it just fine until someone with SO in their stack admonishes me for some slight i have given (that i have no idea i did) or some cultural contract i missed signing.

    SO things are like when its nighttime and you get that nighttime vision and you can see things better peripherally but when you look right at whatijustsaw then it disappears. i know something is there but i will be damned if i know what it is, what to do with it, or how to dress it. :/

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    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    not rly

    just a little...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    It's a bit of a mind fuck, isn't it?
    Despite what some others see in me here, I am still leaning toward being an extremely withdrawn extrovert. It's super easy for Ne-doms to mistake themselves for introverts, especially when you throw in a withdrawn enneagram type (or two) and Sp-first or I suppose So-last.

    Sx/Sp is the "most conflicted" stacking in short because the second instinct is used freely as a tool for attaining security with the first instinct, which is our most fragile instinct. Thus, one can imagine how it may be difficult to attain Sx comfort by using Sp. With either So-blind spot, there will be a push-pull dynamic, but it is markedly more noticeable in Sx/Sp.

    An Sx/Sp extrovert, I would imagine, would have a steady nagging desire for more, but would feel a frustration with difficulty in maintaining it. They would find their bursts of Sx engagement stimulating and enjoy brief breaks, which they need, but would quickly yearn for that next hit.

    Perhaps the extroverted type would be more impulsive than the introverted type (assuming normal to good health levels in both types). They would probably also search for Sx in multiple sources as opposed to primarily in a partner. I imagine them being more of a wanderer than the introverted counterpart, who would likely take longer breaks between Sx activities.

    They can grow by owning their shit and not relying solely on others for fulfilling their desires for both stimulation and space, and by communicating those needs respectfully. Basically, find your own hobbies and don't be a dick.

    (Some of this is observation and some speculation. I dated an Sx/Sp for awhile and it was a wild ride that quickly became unenjoyable. I also constantly analyze my own behavior to assess my own instinctual stacking, which I am 95% sure is So-blind).

    DAMN dude, you nailed it right on the head. I was tested professionally to confirm that I was both ENFP, as well as 7w8 Sx/Sp. I found in my past, when I was younger, that the partners I really liked and wanted in the long run, while they hadn't done anything wrong, I mistook my needs for a lack of connection/problems with us, and ripped things apart. I finally have learned my lesson. I'm connecting with a So/Sx or two right now and signing a lease on an apartment with one, who's also familiar with typology, to open up my field of social access, knowing they'll still respect my space and limitations. Making my own life steady and fulfilled so that I can succeed in my SP ambitions and Sx desires. I live with So/Sp's right now who are VERY judgmental about my So-blindness. I don't actually give a shit, it's simply annoying. But, in the process of self-exploration and hearing all of that judgy nonstop, it started to make me wonder what I could stand to learn. What perspectives I might be able to gain from other extroverted Sx/Sp's and those who have experienced them.

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    Yes yes and YES! Very good analogies there, not to mention that frustration of watching our ESFP and ExFJ So-secondary friends get pumped in the more traditional extroverted fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KutthroatKawaii View Post
    DAMN dude, you nailed it right on the head. I was tested professionally to confirm that I was both ENFP, as well as 7w8 Sx/Sp. I found in my past, when I was younger, that the partners I really liked and wanted in the long run, while they hadn't done anything wrong, I mistook my needs for a lack of connection/problems with us, and ripped things apart. I finally have learned my lesson. I'm connecting with a So/Sx or two right now and signing a lease on an apartment with one, who's also familiar with typology, to open up my field of social access, knowing they'll still respect my space and limitations. Making my own life steady and fulfilled so that I can succeed in my SP ambitions and Sx desires. I live with So/Sp's right now who are VERY judgmental about my So-blindness. I don't actually give a shit, it's simply annoying. But, in the process of self-exploration and hearing all of that judgy nonstop, it started to make me wonder what I could stand to learn. What perspectives I might be able to gain from other extroverted Sx/Sp's and those who have experienced them.
    What do your roommates judge you about/ how do you describe your so-blindness? Are they both extroverted and so dom?
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