[sx] Sx doms being "intimidating"

[Dancing_Queen]

"Also, it was YOU who posted a thread about intimidation, and your original post makes it very clear you find nothing wrong with that, in your own words:"

uh no, i expressed it that way because it was my mood. its a whole different thing what i think and what i express. besides, what i think constantly changes, as i gain new information from others, so thats it of me not being open to advice.

"You yourself admit it. You don't trust I'm here to help, so you assume I'm here to berate you or something."

no, i think everyone has always good motives, no matter how messed up they are. its more of an emotional thing, like if someone helps me now, i open up my wounds, and disappears next moment. what if i wasnt prepared for that? i need some kind of back up plan. depending on one card is too dangerous, as the popular saying goes.. (im reassesing my personal values, and i think its helping. im moving from being self sacrificing to selfish, so i could actually take care of myself.)

and on the four thing: i think im not really 4w3, its just that im stuck in my 4w3 fix, instead of being whoever i really am.

So you don't always say what you mean and mean what you say? I can understand that.

I'm no specialist so I try to refrain from telling people they are mistyped, but I had in mind you weren't really an Ennegram 4 based on your last posts.

Do you have any idea of your actual type?

 

[Vilku]

So you don't always say what you mean and mean what you say? I can understand that.

I'm no specialist so I try to refrain from telling people they are mistyped,

Do you have any idea of your actual type?

its just that, ever since i got totally messed up, i dont know what i myself think. i think i think what i say, and it just distorts my self perception only further.

the people ive most related to in my life are: hitler and his ambition to change the world into perfect. i sometimes get similar sparks. (sx so's over focus on the social instinct, when neglecting sx needs.)
and then there was this enfp 5w6 whom i felt strong relating with, and he seemed to have similar problems as i.

and then there was an istp 5w4, who had this "knows it all" aura, which i sometimes too have.

my best guess is, im a 5w4, 4w3, 8w7 and an nfj. to me it seems, like J-doms live in some kind of synthetic world, so i suspect infj fits me better.

i also doubt that others really want to hear about my problems, so i shut up(to the point that i forget i have problems) and try to talk of things they find interesting.

" but I had in mind you weren't really an Ennegram 4 based on your last posts."

what caught your attention?

 

[Dancing_Queen]

its just that, ever since i got totally messed up, i dont know what i myself think. i think i think what i say, and it just distorts my self perception only further.

the people ive most related to in my life are: hitler and his ambition to change the world into perfect. i sometimes get similar sparks. (sx so's over focus on the social instinct, when neglecting sx needs.)
and then there was this enfp 5w6 whom i felt strong relating with, and he seemed to have similar problems as i.

and then there was an istp 5w4, who had this "knows it all" aura, which i sometimes too have.

my best guess is, im a 5w4, 4w3, 8w7 and an nfj. to me it seems, like J-doms live in some kind of synthetic world, so i suspect infj fits me better.

i also doubt that others really want to hear about my problems, so i shut up(to the point that i forget i have problems) and try to talk of things they find interesting.

" but I had in mind you weren't really an Ennegram 4 based on your last posts."

what caught your attention?

Basically that after pushing aside your bravado and defensiveness I could see you actually want to know yourself more, and that you have an open mind even though it's not easy to spot it.

4's want for the world to understand them, but are extremely close minded when it comes to criticism. They forget constructive criticism is a gift. The immensely enjoy playing the victim and are exactly the opposite of what you just described. An unhealthy 4 would love to pour their tragedies onto people and can spend hours talking about their depression. Their style is the "woe is me" one .

As I said I'm not a professional, but I did understand the Ennegram very well from the beginning and never had any doubts about my type, in contrast to how confusing I've found MBTI until recently. I seem to be good at helping others find their type too, so if you'd like I could help you.

What tests have you taken?

 

[Vilku]

Basically that after pushing aside your bravado and defensiveness I could see you actually want to know yourself more, and that you have an open mind even though it's not easy to spot it.


As I said I'm not a professional, but I did understand the Ennegram very well from the beginning and never had any doubts about my type, in contrast to how confusing I've found MBTI until recently. I seem to be good at helping others find their type too, so if you'd like I could help you.

"4's want for the world to understand them, but are extremely close minded when it comes to criticism. They forget constructive criticism is a gift. The immensely enjoy playing the victim and are exactly the opposite of what you just described. An unhealthy 4 would love to pour their tragedies onto people and can spend hours talking about their depression. Their style is the "woe is me" one ."

i could easily see a 4w5 that way. but even w3? they seem _very_ guarded about their problems.

"What tests have you taken?"

i used to take a lot of tests, but they dont seem to work since i dont know what i think, therefore my answers arent mine. <.<

and generally, tests dont seem to work. i looked up at statistics like this http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm98/undesired367/percentagenounknown-2.png

and i can clearly see that the stereotypes of types and ennea correlate with each other, despite none of these patterns seeming to be that way in reality, in my experience. except for the infj's. (4 of 7 of them were fours.)apart from me having met an unusually huge number of infj's... 7, more than any other type ive met.

and yes, id like help in understanding myself. do you have skype? for more accurate anlysis. mine is vilqju if you do, or do you have tinychat?

 

[Dancing_Queen]

"4's want for the world to understand them, but are extremely close minded when it comes to criticism. They forget constructive criticism is a gift. The immensely enjoy playing the victim and are exactly the opposite of what you just described. An unhealthy 4 would love to pour their tragedies onto people and can spend hours talking about their depression. Their style is the "woe is me" one ."

i could easily see a 4w5 that way. but even w3? they seem _very_ guarded about their problems.

"What tests have you taken?"

i used to take a lot of tests, but they dont seem to work since i dont know what i think, therefore my answers arent mine. <.<

and generally, tests dont seem to work. i looked up at statistics like this http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm98/undesired367/percentagenounknown-2.png

and i can clearly see that the stereotypes of types and ennea correlate with each other, despite none of these patterns seeming to be that way in reality, in my experience. except for the infj's. (4 of 7 of them were fours.)apart from me having met an unusually huge number of infj's... 7, more than any other type ive met.

and yes, id like help in understanding myself. do you have skype? for more accurate anlysis. mine is vilqju if you do, or do you have tinychat?

It would depend on weather they thought they would generate sympathy or not. So it depends on the company.

About the tests, the MBTI ones are pure crap, some of the Socionics ones are good, some bad, but I think the Ennegram ones are the most accurate. I got the exact same type and wing on the professional one I took as in the online ones.

Take care with that, to my personal experience most of these correlations only work on paper. The two systems are completely independent, but it seems people "have to" find a link. I wouldn't care if they only did their charts for fun, but I spent two years knocking my head about my MBTI type because of that. When I registered in this forum and others looking for help after getting tired of looking for it on my own, I had many people try to convince me I was an ENTJ or ESTP because these are the most likely types linked to 8w7's.

In fact, even though I already posted my MBTI pro results, I still have people getting in my original thread just to tell me I'm an ESFP 7w6 because I "like to have fun", "seem fairly extroverted" and "open minded" .

Like seriously, ESFP I can understand, I thought I was one too until I took time to read Jung's original work, but 7w6?

I do have Skype and would love to talk, but tell me what is your time zone?

I'll also post links I think might help.

 

[gromit]

Yeah I feel intimidated. Ppl on the forum I find intimidating often turn out to be Sx.

 

[Lady_X]

It takes two to tango. What did you expect him to do? Lay down so you could walk all over him? He reacted like any hot blooded person would.

No, this is the Ennegram 4 necessity of being special and unique speaking.

Intimidating people aren't extreme, melodramatic or violent. They are chill and collected, while projecting an aura of power and strength. It's not a conscientious choice of projecting that, it just happens.

I'm not taking pride in anything. I just don't like the intimidation glorification I've seen in your post. You said it yourself that you "find it very easy to be that way" ,that you "realize this isnt healthy behaviour, but sometimes i dont know what else to do" and that "they took me into mental hospital for a half year because of that".

The only way for you to get healthy is to accept help. And that implies listening to things which are not pleasant.

I wish you all the best.

i like miss dancing queen...girl knows whats up yall!

 

[Vilku]

It would depend on weather they thought they would generate sympathy or not. So it depends on the company.

About the tests, the MBTI ones are pure crap, some of the Socionics ones are good, some bad, but I think the Ennegram ones are the most accurate. I got the exact same type and wing on the professional one I took as in the online ones.

Take care with that, to my personal experience most of these correlations only work on paper. The two systems are completely independent, but it seems people "have to" find a link. I wouldn't care if they only did their charts for fun, but I spent two years knocking my head about my MBTI type because of that. When I registered in this forum and others looking for help after getting tired of looking for it on my own, I had many people try to convince me I was an ENTJ or ESTP because these are the most likely types linked to 8w7's.

In fact, even though I already posted my MBTI pro results, I still have people getting in my original thread just to tell me I'm an ESFP 7w6 because I "like to have fun", "seem fairly extroverted" and "open minded" .

Like seriously, ESFP I can understand, I thought I was one too until I took time to read Jung's original work, but 7w6?

I do have Skype and would love to talk, but tell me what is your time zone?

I'll also post links I think might help.

gmt +2 i think

yeah, ive realized, its a _very_ good idea to assess other peoples typing accyraccy by analyzing their methods and finding weak areas. certain things i consider red flags: socionic and mbti as irrelated, "youre 84% x and 16% Y", "your two because you like to help people!" (i dont think i should even justify whats wrong with that claim), people who disregard the impact of instincts/enneagram/mbti(trying to justify it all by _one_ theory.. like, seriously? <.< )

most outrageous things said to me was along the lines that i chose infj because i want to be special, when in real i actually find infj's annoyingly magic minded, as i prefer sound explanations. i dont know if the person was serious, but he she said im an esfj. *rolls eyes*

consistency check helps to understand what people actually mean by their claims, which are irrelated to the actual theories..

it also annoys me when people try to change me into their AAAA + BABB pair. like one intp lectured me how i should think. an estj tried to "fix" my problems by forcing me to write bs that would give me a "direction". an infp tried to change me into an entj and so on. you noticed this phenomena?

 

[Dancing_Queen]

i like miss dancing queen...girl knows whats up yall!

Thank you, I'm honored

 

[Dancing_Queen]

gmt +2 i think

yeah, ive realized, its a _very_ good idea to assess other peoples typing accyraccy by analyzing their methods and finding weak areas. certain things i consider red flags: socionic and mbti as irrelated, "youre 84% x and 16% Y", "your two because you like to help people!" (i dont think i should even justify whats wrong with that claim), people who disregard the impact of instincts/enneagram/mbti(trying to justify it all by _one_ theory.. like, seriously? <.< )

most outrageous things said to me was along the lines that i chose infj because i want to be special, when in real i actually find infj's annoyingly magic minded, as i prefer sound explanations. i dont know if the person was serious, but he she said im an esfj. *rolls eyes*

consistency check helps to understand what people actually mean by their claims, which are irrelated to the actual theories..

it also annoys me when people try to change me into their AAAA + BABB pair. like one intp lectured me how i should think. an estj tried to "fix" my problems by forcing me to write bs that would give me a "direction". an infp tried to change me into an entj and so on. you noticed this phenomena?

Ridiculous. Had he said the same thing about you choosing INTJ I could understand (most INTJs ARE mistyped because they think people will respect them and find them cooler), but INFJ? Bollocks.

ESFJ, huh? Did he said why?

YES. People in this forum have tried to convince me I’m an ESFP and in another forum, that I’m an ISFP. They came up with a whole lot of bullshit but failed to back it up, some even disappeared after I debunked they theories, and have never answered my questions .

 

[Dancing_Queen]

Your Ennegram type is your WHY, your motivation and primal instincts. Your MBTI type is your HOW, your personality, how you act and respond to your environment. You won’t be able to find your personality type before finding out why you are like that.

So the first thing you need to do is determinate your Enneagram, if you don’t do this before going into MBTI it’ll be too confusing and hard to differ what is one thing and what is another.

SimilarMinds is quite bogus for most people, though it worked just fine for me. I’d recommend:

http://www.9types.com/newtest/homepage.actual.html
http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test.php
http://www.handprint.com/HM/ENN/egram.html

A lighter and faster one:
http://www.blogthings.com/whatnumberareyouquiz/

It also gave me the same answer.

You should read the Ennegram types descriptions by the user "Timeless" at Personalitycafe.com, he's amazing.

STAY AWAY from this one:
http://www.enneagramtest.net/.

It’s the worst I’ve encountered, everyone I know including myself got mistyped.

 

[Dancing_Queen]

Damn, why are all my posts getting doubled?

 

[Vilku]

Ridiculous. Had he said the same thing about you choosing INTJ I could understand (most INTJs ARE mistyped because they think people will respect them and find them cooler), but INFJ? Bollocks.

ESFJ, huh? Did he said why?

YES. People in this forum have tried to convince me I’m an ESFP and in another forum, that I’m an ISFP. They came up with a whole lot of bullshit but failed to back it up, some even disappeared after I debunked they theories, and have never answered my questions .

no, but if there was any seed of truth to his words, then id expect he thought my mindless melodrama is something an esfj would do.
i would expect my melodrmma is just 5w4 disintegrating to 7, (creates mindlessness) combined with 4w3 fix and having an Fe function.

i think im most likely infj, although i totally hate the stereotype. one thing is for example, that J doms seem to be defined by concepts, such as where you live, what you support, and other things i would never identify with. its like they lived in a synthetic constructed reality. (when an enfj once asked me, with anger evident in his posture, that am i capitalist, because i told my mother was ((just LOLS at his logic)) and i did my best to translate my undefined stance into a concept he could understand, by saying "no! im a humanitarian" which i expect is along to the lines to what i am.

and then that intp i mentioned, he preached me how i should use ne, to not define everything so precisely, and he doorslammed me just cause of that. now that i talked with an enfj, i could see those tips mightve helped him very much, since his typing method seemed to be too theoretical and not in touch with reality. whereas i am in touch with reality when it comes to typing, but the theory escapes my attention as im mostly unable to make sense of it. (and that intp took everything i said in his way, like every word i used about others was some kind of defined label, and made horrible conclusions from them.)

i also red one forum post that mentioned an intp rejecting someone for being virgin. who does THAT? i dont think i could ever have a relationship with someone so close minded. also another j dom trait i dont relate at all is the sensitivity to emotions. i guess, having the observation functions in middle means they are always balanced, therefor un-ignorable, meaning, if you feel bad, you cant escape it. when i feel crap, i have three options: change my judgment(the best one) passively experience the pain(middle one) detach from them(the worst one)

my approximate estimation is, that every second person is mistyped in some area. (based on reading old threads, and correlating what they thought they were back then to what its now)

 

[Lady_X]

[MENTION=18820]Dancing_Queen[/MENTION]! that handprint test is so bad! did you actually get the right type with that one?

 

[Vilku]

Your Ennegram type is your WHY, your motivation and primal instincts. Your MBTI type is your HOW, your personality, how you act and respond to your environment. You won’t be able to find your personality type before finding out why you are like that.

So the first thing you need to do is determinate your Enneagram, if you don’t do this before going into MBTI it’ll be too confusing and hard to differ what is one thing and what is another.

SimilarMinds is quite bogus for most people, though it worked just fine for me. I’d recommend:

http://www.9types.com/newtest/homepage.actual.html
http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test.php
http://www.handprint.com/HM/ENN/egram.html

A lighter and faster one:
http://www.blogthings.com/whatnumberareyouquiz/

It also gave me the same answer.

You should read the Ennegram types descriptions by the user "Timeless" at Personalitycafe.com, he's amazing.

STAY AWAY from this one:
http://www.enneagramtest.net/.

It’s the worst I’ve encountered, everyone I know including myself got mistyped.

i did the 9types one:
Type 1 Type 2 Type 3 Type 4 Type 5 Type 6 Type 7 Type 8 Type 9
-3,,,,,,,,,-4,,,,,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,,,,8,,,,,,,,,,,7,,,,,,,,,-6,,,,,,,,,-12,,,,,,,,,-1,,,,,,,,,11

it was veeerrrryyyy frustrating, because many of the questions seemed so alien to me.
and many of the questions seemed to correlate directly with Fi + Te vs Ti + Fe difference, doesnt make it seem consistent.

type nine is the ennea i consider the lamest ever, i guess i might have some nine tendencies cause finland is a 9w1 country. they pretty much forced me to behave like a nine. as a child, my usual trouble dealing method was to hit their face, (no one told me its wrong -.-) they just took me out of home for that, and scrutinized me heavily for it.(without even explaining why i couldnt do it.) i became so, SO afraid of acting myself due that, so i succumbed into being super withdrawn, and i always had htis boiling hidden calm anger to me since then, which looks like im a volcano about to erupt if you saw pictures of my childhood. ive pretty much bottled all of my feelings thorought my life due it.

and then recently ive started to let it out, so they took me to mental hospital for being too intense. -.-

also being an Fe user might have something to do with "going according to others will" or accommodating or whatever, which is apparently a nine thing? on top of that, 5w4 is the calmest of all enneagrams. three people have complimented me for my calmness. 5w4 seems sound.. need to analyze more though.

 

[Dancing_Queen]

no, but if there was any seed of truth to his words, then id expect he thought my mindless melodrama is something an esfj would do.
i would expect my melodrmma is just 5w4 disintegrating to 7, (creates mindlessness) combined with 4w3 fix and having an Fe function.

i think im most likely infj, although i totally hate the stereotype. one thing is for example, that J doms seem to be defined by concepts, such as where you live, what you support, and other things i would never identify with. its like they lived in a synthetic constructed reality. (when an enfj once asked me, with anger evident in his posture, that am i capitalist, because i told my mother was ((just LOLS at his logic)) and i did my best to translate my undefined stance into a concept he could understand, by saying "no! im a humanitarian" which i expect is along to the lines to what i am.

and then that intp i mentioned, he preached me how i should use ne, to not define everything so precisely, and he doorslammed me just cause of that. now that i talked with an enfj, i could see those tips mightve helped him very much, since his typing method seemed to be too theoretical and not in touch with reality. whereas i am in touch with reality when it comes to typing, but the theory escapes my attention as im mostly unable to make sense of it. (and that intp took everything i said in his way, like every word i used about others was some kind of defined label, and made horrible conclusions from them.)

i also red one forum post that mentioned an intp rejecting someone for being virgin. who does THAT? i dont think i could ever have a relationship with someone so close minded. also another j dom trait i dont relate at all is the sensitivity to emotions. i guess, having the observation functions in middle means they are always balanced, therefor un-ignorable, meaning, if you feel bad, you cant escape it. when i feel crap, i have three options: change my judgment(the best one) passively experience the pain(middle one) detach from them(the worst one)

my approximate estimation is, that every second person is mistyped in some area. (based on reading old threads, and correlating what they thought they were back then to what its now)

Stop trying to tie everything to type. You don’t even know yours to begin with, and this tendency will make it even harder for you to find out.

INTPs are like that. All of them. They drive me nuts, I can’t stand them in general. I had one dropping by my “please type thread” just to point out I was mistyped and just what type of MBTI and Ennegram I was.

When I ask him if he thought he knew better than a professional team of MBTI specialist he disappeared.

Close minded is their middle name. Hypocrites, too.

Why did you choose this avatar?

 

[Dancing_Queen]

[MENTION=18820]Dancing_Queen[/MENTION]! that handprint test is so bad! did you actually get the right type with that one?

Yes, I did. Except from that one I told him to stay away from, I got the same type in all of them.

I guess I'm an 8w7 through and through .

 

[Dancing_Queen]

i did the 9types one:
Type 1 Type 2 Type 3 Type 4 Type 5 Type 6 Type 7 Type 8 Type 9
-3,,,,,,,,,-4,,,,,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,,,,8,,,,,,,,,,,7,,,,,,,,,-6,,,,,,,,,-12,,,,,,,,,-1,,,,,,,,,11

it was veeerrrryyyy frustrating, because many of the questions seemed so alien to me.
and many of the questions seemed to correlate directly with Fi + Te vs Ti + Fe difference, doesnt make it seem consistent.

type nine is the ennea i consider the lamest ever, i guess i might have some nine tendencies cause finland is a 9w1 country. they pretty much forced me to behave like a nine. as a child, my usual trouble dealing method was to hit their face, (no one told me its wrong -.-) they just took me out of home for that, and scrutinized me heavily for it.(without even explaining why i couldnt do it.) i became so, SO afraid of acting myself due that, so i succumbed into being super withdrawn, and i always had htis boiling hidden calm anger to me since then, which looks like im a volcano about to erupt if you saw pictures of my childhood. ive pretty much bottled all of my feelings thorought my life due it.

and then recently ive started to let it out, so they took me to mental hospital for being too intense. -.-

also being an Fe user might have something to do with "going according to others will" or accommodating or whatever, which is apparently a nine thing? on top of that, 5w4 is the calmest of all enneagrams. three people have complimented me for my calmness. 5w4 seems sound.. need to analyze more though.

Again, your’re tying to relate Ennegram to cognitive functions, when it has no connection to it whatsoever!!!

You’re doing it wrong. Basically you think a type is “lame”, when such a thing doesn’t exist. You may not identify yourself with it, but the way you talk it seems you’re not gonna aceppt being a type you don’t like. Which is probable.

You’re set on correlation MBTI to Ennegram, when I’ve told you several types it’s a futile attempt. It doesn’t work, and if you insist in doing this, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to help you, or anyone who really understands it either.

You took only one test and found it “inconsistent”. But how can you judge that before actually understanding the Ennegram system itself?

Being an Fe user does not make one a type 9.

I’m sorry, but you sound far from calm. Again your Ennegram is about your inner instincts, wants, needs and nature (your motivation), not how you act and respond or in other words, your personality. That’s your MBTI type.

Just because you seem calm to others doesn’t mean you’re actually are like that on the inside. Neither does it make you a type 5w4.

You’re oversimplifying everything.

 

[Vilku]

Stop trying to tie everything to type. You don’t even know yours to begin with, and this tendency will make it even harder for you to find out.

INTPs are like that. All of them. They drive me nuts, I can’t stand them in general. I had one dropping by my “please type thread” just to point out I was mistyped and just what type of MBTI and Ennegram I was.

When I ask him if he thought he knew better than a professional team of MBTI specialist he disappeared.

Close minded is their middle name. Hypocrites, too.

Why did you choose this avatar?

a picture i took of myself when i was totally lost, in my 4w3 fix mania. the presence of mania fits 5w4 disintegration, and look at my eyes, they scream confusion, which is exactly what i, and 5w4's hate. im again having one of these introspective moments when i break out of my mania (usually lasts around a week), but i usually always slip back because i get confused again, and it just freaks the hell out of me.

and theres that tint of 4w3 love of novelty, meaning me making the confusion actually kind of pleasurous, despite how much i hate it.
+ not to mention the distinct 4w3 artsy style of taking pictures. (of course, thats all fake, since im not a real 4w3, but i acted like one in that period)

on the functions thing: infp's world is totally alien to me, so cant be that. and in general i have trouble connecting with Fi's, its as if they just wont let me connect to them with my empathy, idk why! =S (i suppose, its as in socionics says the merry vs serious difference, that fi's are too serious, thus afraid of conencting to people.)

Again, your’re tying to relate Ennegram to cognitive functions, when it has no connection to it whatsoever!!!

You’re doing it wrong. Basically you think a type is “lame”, when such a thing doesn’t exist. You may not identify yourself with it, but the way you talk it seems you’re not gonna aceppt being a type you don’t like. Which is probable.

You’re set on correlation MBTI to Ennegram, when I’ve told you several types it’s a futile attempt. It doesn’t work, and if you insist in doing this, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to help you, or anyone who really understands it either.

You took only one test and found it “inconsistent”. But how can you judge that before actually understanding the Ennegram system itself?

Being an Fe user does not make one a type 9.


Just because you seem calm to others doesn’t mean you’re actually are like that on the inside. Neither does it make you a type 5w4.

You’re oversimplifying everything.

you could look at the statistics i posted earlier, its clear as glass they are false. if it was anything like they indicated, we'd live in a conmpletely different world. i mean, 26% are fives, seriously? how many of all people you met were fives? more like a minority, not every fourth person. certain traits associated with enneas are clearly traits which are exhibited by certain functions. compare an esfp 1w9 and any other 1. youll see they are completely different, as the stereotypes wont apply. theres easily enough evidence to say that the statistics are clearly false. why are they false? cause the tests dont work.

well, being alone drives me nuts. i lose my sense of reality, other people help me ground. thats why, in other peoples presence, i become calm. alone, im very neurotic. which is evident from majority of my posts, since im alone when i post them..

"I’m sorry, but you sound far from calm. Again your Ennegram is about your inner instincts, wants, needs and nature (your motivation), not how you act and respond or in other words, your personality. That’s your MBTI type."

well, the test seemed to be entirely trait based, and majority of those traits were also charasteristics of different mbti types.

trusting external things like iq tests and others of equally irrelevant qualities, is a Te thing. those tests only work if you allow your identity to be dictate by someone else, whom you just hope to be correct?

 

[Dancing_Queen]

a picture i took of myself when i was totally lost, in my 4w3 fix mania. the presence of mania fits 5w4 disintegration, and look at my eyes, they scream confusion, which is exactly what i, and 5w4's hate. im again having one of these introspective moments when i break out of my mania (usually lasts around a week), but i usually always slip back because i get confused again, and it just freaks the hell out of me.

and theres that tint of 4w3 love of novelty, meaning me making the confusion actually kind of pleasurous, despite how much i hate it.
+ not to mention the distinct 4w3 artsy style of taking pictures. (of course, thats all fake, since im not a real 4w3, but i acted like one in that period)

on the functions thing: infp's world is totally alien to me, so cant be that. and in general i have trouble connecting with Fi's, its as if they just wont let me connect to them with my empathy, idk why! =S (i suppose, its as in socionics says the merry vs serious difference, that fi's are too serious, thus afraid of conencting to people.)



you could look at the statistics i posted earlier, its clear as glass they are false.
if it was anything like they indicated, we'd live in a conmpletely different world. i mean, 26% are fives, seriously? how many of all people you met were fives? more like a minority, not every fourth person. certain traits associated with enneas are clearly traits which are exhibited by certain functions. compare an esfp 1w9 and any other 1. youll see they are completely different, as the stereotypes wont apply. theres easily enough evidence to say that the statistics are clearly false. why are they false? cause the tests dont work.

well, being alone drives me nuts. i lose my sense of reality, other people help me ground. thats why, in other peoples presence, i become calm. alone, im very neurotic. which is evident from majority of my posts, since im alone when i post them..[/B]

"I’m sorry, but you sound far from calm. Again your Ennegram is about your inner instincts, wants, needs and nature (your motivation), not how you act and respond or in other words, your personality. That’s your MBTI type."

well, the test seemed to be entirely trait based, and majority of those traits were also charasteristics of different mbti types.

trusting external things like iq tests and others of equally irrelevant qualities, is a Te thing. those tests only work if you allow your identity to be dictate by someone else, whom you just hope to be correct?

Where is this picture you speak of? You didn't post it.

If you're not 4w3 why do you describe your behavior as such? It makes no sense. Even when we're stressed or depressed we do not act like a different Ennegram type. You'd still act like a 5w4 if you really were one, no matter what circunstances, the descriptions do cover that too.

It's on MBTI that we have a "Shadow Type", which is the opposite of our normal cognitive functions. There's no such a thing in Enneagram.

Who said you were INFP? I didn't.

I don't base my knowledge on statistics. I base it on personal experience.

You hate being alone and still you think you're a 5w4???Do you realize that's the exact opposite of what this type is like? A 5w4 would love to be alone! They are introverted and prefer solitude and introspection.


You're trying to rationalize the test instead of letting the results speak for themselves. You're biased and that clearly influences the results.

You have no idea of what Te is about. If you understood, you wouldn't say that. I advise to stop trying to use functions to back your arguments up, at last until you dominate the subject.

Everything you posted about MBTI has been based on stuff written by others you read somewhere. You trust what non professionals say about MBTI but not tests based on professional ones?

Where's your logic ?