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    Default Example Thread for how the Second Instinct Supports the First

    More of our focus goes to our dominant instinct. It's the area we value most and fixate on. We might be better at the second instinct. I thought it would be interesting to start a thread for examples of how the second instinct might be used in support of the first.

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    sx/so: Practicing social charm with the intent of attracting a wide selection of people (so) and then focusing on a specific few with who the most natural chemistry is felt (sx)
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    It's interesting how one prioritizes their first instinct and uses the rest to support it, but it doesn't always work out that way, sometimes come to a situation where they are at odds. sp/sx or sx/sp has good common examples of how two instincts become at odds at each other, hot-cold push-pulling, intimacy and distance (note I say become; they are not inherently against each other necessarily all the time).

    I wonder also about accounts of other instinct combinations and where and how they become at odds at each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixaerus View Post
    It's interesting how one prioritizes their first instinct and uses the rest to support it, but it doesn't always work out that way, sometimes come to a situation where they are at odds. sp/sx or sx/sp has good common examples of how two instincts become at odds at each other, hot-cold push-pulling, intimacy and distance (note I say become; they are not inherently against each other necessarily all the time).

    I wonder also about accounts of other instinct combinations and where and how they become at odds at each other.
    I think those examples of what can appear like sp and sx clashing is not actually the two instincts clashing as much as it is them lacking so. The pushing and pulling of sp and sx is not at odds with each other as it is still behaving in a way that serves the desires of both instincts, 'I no longer feel the desire for intimacy with this person therefore I am going to retract' is definitely sx-driven behavior, except the person retracts into sp without so to cushion the push of the other person. The closest you get to instincts clashing is contraflow, but even then I wouldn't describe it as a clash between the instincts as much as a struggle due to the directional flow of energy. Every stacking suffers from the lack of the third instinct, this is simply readily apparent from so-blinds due to the observable nature of so itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notmyapples View Post
    I think those examples of what can appear like sp and sx clashing is not actually the two instincts clashing as much as it is them lacking so. The pushing and pulling of sp and sx is not at odds with each other as it is still behaving in a way that serves the desires of both instincts, 'I no longer feel the desire for intimacy with this person therefore I am going to retract' is definitely sx-driven behavior, except the person retracts into sp without so to cushion the push of the other person. The closest you get to instincts clashing is contraflow, but even then I wouldn't describe it as a clash between the instincts as much as a struggle due to the directional flow of energy. Every stacking suffers from the lack of the third instinct, this is simply readily apparent from so-blinds due to the observable nature of so itself.
    Interesting, I did not know this. I'm unfamiliar with the instinct flows. At first I thought, 'I no longer feel the desire for intimacy with this person therefore I am going to retract' - isn't that sp? Then realized it was still sx-based (through the lens of intimacy, be it wanting, avoiding, or rejecting it) to begin with. Your explanation makes sense, I would have to look into it.



    For myself, mine tends to be that I generally think the more people work together, the better the security. Think neighbourhood structures; you have police, you have a security system going on, and there is strength in numbers. If you are in a pack, a 'gang', you'll be tougher, and can take care of each other- say, a traditional example would be the woman cooks while the husband works, then you have more people doing this-and-that other things. Something like that.

    The wider the social circle, the wider and more diverse the selection of resources you have.
    Oh wow, I'm sounding like some order of self-pres / social ennea 3 or 7 . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixaerus View Post
    For myself, mine tends to be that I generally think the more people work together, the better the security. Think neighbourhood structures; you have police, you have a security system going on, and there is strength in numbers. If you are in a pack, a 'gang', you'll be tougher, and can take care of each other- say, a traditional example would be the woman cooks while the husband works, then you have more people doing this-and-that other things. Something like that.

    The wider the social circle, the wider and more diverse the selection of resources you have.
    Oh wow, I'm sounding like some order of self-pres / social ennea 3 or 7 . . .[/S]
    I think your explanation is a great example of how sp and so work in conjunction, a focus on the resources that can potentially be obtained by widening one's social influence.
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    sp/so - Using the social sphere/community to obtain needs and maintain safety (ie. Shields the self via social)

    or perhaps using social attentiveness to keep others at bay and maintain boundaries?

    Edit: I'm hoping I didn't just mirror Ix's post lol
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    Sp realizes not having bonds with people = eventual insanity. Sx gives it what it wants, sp's reaction:

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    Even though I'm sp/so, I:
    am nice to darn near everyone which allows me to escape socializing faster and minimize my contact with chaos

    My primary is sp. I just want to be left alone, to myself. I prefer my interactions to be as brief as possible. Pleasantry and socializing are walls of protection.
    Of course, if someone NEEDS me, I'll be there. But my instinct is solitude, which = sp for me.

    **EDIT**
    I hope I'm not misunderstanding this thread!
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    so/sp: Excessive working to obtain money (sp) and increase social standing (so)

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