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    Default Cultivating optimism and a sense of adventure

    How would you go about doing this and when would you be able to tell when its done? Is the music you listen to or other media you consume a factor?
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    I suppose a good deal may be tied to having a general perspective or view that whatever shit gets tossed your way won't kill you, unless it actually does, but that's past the point of being reckless rather than what I'd call adventurous. And you might obtain this point of view (maybe) with a good dose of self reflection every so often, and contemplate the outcome of the adventure you've just experienced, how did you learn from it, how can you grow? The more I know myself and the more I find my true capabilities, the more confidence and more daring I become to pushing my boundaries further. Not quite so literally of course, I won't ever become some daredevil, but in many ways, I'm constantly pushing what I initially thought was a boundary or limit of mine, only to find where I can surpass it and in some areas where I can't. I'd also conclude that having a decent bit of awareness of what you ARE actually limited by, and that's what would keep you within the realm of adventure rather than recklessness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Survive & Stay Free View Post
    How would you go about doing this and when would you be able to tell when its done? Is the music you listen to or other media you consume a factor?
    Well is this thread because you've started feeling the itch to cultivate more optimism, and do you feel like you need an adventure? Because if so, then, you're off to a good start. Music can put you into moods for sure, but its also an attitude, or choice if you like, something inside of you that rattles the bars of your soul and demands that you go do something...at least it is for me. As to how to tell when you're done? I honestly don't know if anyone who sets down that path is ever done until they shuffle off the mortal coil, and even then, to live and die is a grand adventure in and of itself...
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    They are the kin of the jungle’s lords,
    and heir to the secrets of hoary and sinister Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Wizard View Post
    Well is this thread because you've started feeling the itch to cultivate more optimism, and do you feel like you need an adventure? Because if so, then, you're off to a good start. Music can put you into moods for sure, but its also an attitude, or choice if you like, something inside of you that rattles the bars of your soul and demands that you go do something...at least it is for me. As to how to tell when you're done? I honestly don't know if anyone who sets down that path is ever done until they shuffle off the mortal coil, and even then, to live and die is a grand adventure in and of itself...
    Its something I've seen people list as a goal or new year resolution, as in "I will cultivate a sense of optimism and adventure", but I'm not sure what it means or how to quantify it as achieved or accomplished, I'm just musing about it, I think it is a worthwhile goal probably.

    Although if you have that as a goal does it mean that you are not optimistic and are not adventurous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    I suppose a good deal may be tied to having a general perspective or view that whatever shit gets tossed your way won't kill you, unless it actually does, but that's past the point of being reckless rather than what I'd call adventurous. And you might obtain this point of view (maybe) with a good dose of self reflection every so often, and contemplate the outcome of the adventure you've just experienced, how did you learn from it, how can you grow? The more I know myself and the more I find my true capabilities, the more confidence and more daring I become to pushing my boundaries further. Not quite so literally of course, I won't ever become some daredevil, but in many ways, I'm constantly pushing what I initially thought was a boundary or limit of mine, only to find where I can surpass it and in some areas where I can't. I'd also conclude that having a decent bit of awareness of what you ARE actually limited by, and that's what would keep you within the realm of adventure rather than recklessness.
    I think it is interesting what you say about differentiating between adventure and recklessness.

    Also, a lot what I see conceptualised as the standard answer to being adventurous or what is adventurous does not appeal to me, this is something I've thought about watching People Are Awesome videos or (the very few times) Fail Army videos, some of the stunts, paragliding, climbing high summits, swings, bungee jumps, those tilting platforms in skyscrapers, the glass floors to walk over and some of them with that shatter glass effect on them, those things dont actually seem that adventurous, especially since they are becoming kind of like a package holiday deal thing, or maybe I'm being all hipster about it.

    There's also the thing about so called "comfort zones" which I think is kind of like the whole defining the terms thing you mention between adventure and recklessness, people talk about getting out of their comfort zone or, more often, how others should, I've noticed its a favourite of management literature and often I think its code for I'm pretty comfortable myself but I dont think you should be, I've also heard some people who I'm pretty sure are sketchy or sadistic deep down coin phrases like that and the unwary have just treated it as so much managerial or positive thinking lexicon stuff were otherwise they'd be alerted to something that's not quite right about that person or what they've said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Survive & Stay Free View Post
    Its something I've seen people list as a goal or new year resolution, as in "I will cultivate a sense of optimism and adventure", but I'm not sure what it means or how to quantify it as achieved or accomplished, I'm just musing about it, I think it is a worthwhile goal probably.

    Although if you have that as a goal does it mean that you are not optimistic and are not adventurous?
    Perhaps they don't feel optimistic and adventurous enough? Ime people make goals for all kinds of reasons, most of them only make sense to them I reckon...
    I am the Cat who walks by themself; and all places are alike to me...

    For the cat is cryptic,
    and close to strange things which men cannot see.
    They are the soul of antique Aegyptus,
    and bearer of tales from forgotten cities in Meroë and Ophir.
    They are the kin of the jungle’s lords,
    and heir to the secrets of hoary and sinister Africa.
    The Sphinx is their cousin, and they speak her language;
    but they are more ancient than the Sphinx,
    and remember that which she hath forgotten...


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Wizard View Post
    Perhaps they don't feel optimistic and adventurous enough? Ime people make goals for all kinds of reasons, most of them only make sense to them I reckon...
    True, true.

    On the old 43 Things website (there is one now but its not like the original site or so I think) it was one of the most popular goals but it probably meant different things to the people who picked it as a goal.
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    Martin Seligman (the father of the positive psychology movement) has written some fantastic direction about cultivating optimism, based on his studies. I'm personally a hard sell on things supposedly designed to boost positivity, I often find things that others praise as useful to be empty platitudes for me - but I really like Seligman's work. I'll have to wait until I'm actually at my computer to give links - but one that comes to mind right now is making the habit to consider what we have to be grateful for every single day. This makes gratitude spread into our unconscious auto-pilot thinking.

    And when I'm having trouble authentically finding something to be grateful for, I find this instruction incredibly helpful: imagine if we only woke up every morning with that which we thanked God for on the previous day. I'm Agnostic, but it's still an incredibly useful way to find what I'm grateful for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Martin Seligman (the father of the positive psychology movement) has written some fantastic direction about this, based on his studies. I'm personally a hard sell on things supposedly designed to boost positivity, I often find things that others praise as useful to be empty platitudes for me - but I really like Seligman's work. I'll have to wait until I'm actually at my computer to give links - but one that comes to mind right now is making the habit to consider what we have to be grateful for every single day. This makes gratitude spread into our unconscious auto-pilot thinking.

    And when I'm having trouble authentically finding something to be grateful for, I find this instruction incredibly helpful: imagine if we only woke up every morning with that which we thanked God for on the previous day. I'm Agnostic, but it's still an incredibly useful way to find what I'm grateful for.
    I liked Seligman's Learned Helplessness and the other book on the limits of psychotherapy, in which he suggests that if people had more helpful friends it would help a lot, but I didnt like his book called authentic happiness, I really thought by that point some of his material had jumped the horse or he'd moved to commercialising his model or thinking.

    The attitude of gratitude really is a thing though, I totally agree with that and practice something like it most of the time, I even like that other guy, is it Napoleon Hill or another author who writes about visualisation? Became the basis for The Secret and all that, I dont believe those extrapolations, not sure I believe their theory at all but I do believe in that kind of positive thinking.

    William James is an author I'm interested in at the moment, I'm reading a book about "positive action" called "Rip It Up" which suggests that you should act in accordance with goals as much as think about them, like if you are afraid of public speaking and want to be a good public speaker you should do it as much as think and psyche yourself up about it. I cant remember the author of this book but its called "Rip It Up" anyway.

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    I haven't read Seligman's book on authentic happiness - but I thought Flourish had some great exercises in it. (And yeah, I thought his studies on helplessness were fascinating). I'll have to look up the others you mentioned.
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