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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Grey View Post
    I wonder how much of it is specifically picking at one's own body, or if it can be redirected, say with stress balls, or some kind of repetitive movement? There is my concern that completely curbing self-soothing behaviours which can be an outlet for managing less healthy symptoms can be damaging, perhaps akin to 'curing' stimming in autism (which is... no, don't do that. Let them stim). Such management is a part of true accessibility that addresses the specific problems person themselves face.




    As a slight OOT I have friends who help with extremely simple tasks, all I have to do is say 'dyslexlists is striking again' and they'll help me even if they normally wouldn't have others. I think it's something like, you wouldn't lift half a person's weight up the stairs, but if they are crippled you will help them walk, it just makes sense)


    (dyslexlists is just my own self made nickname for when my brain does the manic circus monkey thing, from the words dyslexia & lists)
    I don't think it's impossible but it will definitely take some training. Many websites recommend CBT. As they mention that picking at one's skin can elevate dopamine levels- a stress ball wouldn't have the same (immediate) effect. Endorphins also get released because of the damaging of the skin.
    Many tools (fidget toys?) that are used by people with autism are recommended for people with ADHD too (and I mean, everyone who feels the need to use them can). Stimming isn't bad as long as it doesn't interfere with one's daily life and (personal) health*. It would indeed be very wrong to try to reduce that kind of behavior because some people think it's weird/inappropriate.
    In my experience, scalp picking is manageable since it doesn't require 'full attention', I can still watch/listen/read but skin picking makes me waste time and severely damages my skin (as does scalp picking).

    *Social exclusion excepted. If the environment reacts negatively it can of course have negative side-effects but that's more of a social/external problem. And it can of course interfere with one's daily activities but if it keeps other symptoms under control it's rather an 'advantage'(?)/the best option.




    That's pretty handy. What kind of 'simple tasks' do you sometimes have difficulties with? (Does it tie back to the executive disfunction?)
    My therapist (at the time) also recommended me to 'ask for external help'. By par example asking classmates to 'bring me back to earth' when they notice I am not paying attention. But I'm reluctant to actually ask such thing (and it could possibly annoy me after a while).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisName View Post
    That's pretty handy. What kind of 'simple tasks' do you sometimes have difficulties with? (Does it tie back to the executive disfunction?)
    My therapist (at the time) also recommended me to 'ask for external help'. By par example asking classmates to 'bring me back to earth' when they notice I am not paying attention. But I'm reluctant to actually ask such thing (and it could possibly annoy me after a while).
    I'm not sure if my difficulties are a specific feature of exec. dysfunction, it probably is. Usually, they are very detail-oriented things, involving things like cataloguing or working with numbers. It also happens if I have to do something that involves a step by step process, such as finding my way through several bus stops and planning out a route, or drafting out a plan for something. The numbers and bullet points quite literally 'float around'- back to my comparing it to dyslexia, but with lists. It's like a tunnel where the entrance keeps moving- it's hard to get in and through to the other end when the entrance keeps moving away from you.

    I have not told many about my ADHD, but of the friends who help me, one has disorders that impair her executive dysfunction as well, and one is just understanding and helps without complaint, understands it's no different from a diabetic who needs insulin, or the glasses he needs to see, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Grey View Post
    I wonder how much of it is specifically picking at one's own body, or if it can be redirected, say with stress balls, or some kind of repetitive movement? There is my concern that completely curbing self-soothing behaviours which can be an outlet for managing less healthy symptoms can be damaging, perhaps akin to 'curing' stimming in autism (which is... no, don't do that. Let them stim). Such management is a part of true accessibility that addresses the specific problems person themselves face.




    As a slight OOT I have friends who help with extremely simple tasks, all I have to do is say 'dyslexlists is striking again' and they'll help me even if they normally wouldn't have others. I think it's something like, you wouldn't lift half a person's weight up the stairs, but if they are crippled you will help them walk, it just makes sense)


    (dyslexlists is just my own self made nickname for when my brain does the manic circus monkey thing, from the words dyslexia & lists)
    Side note, both my little siblings have autism but one is low sensory and one is high sensory. My little brother who is high sensory, he has this picking problem pretty badly. He'll dig at places on his skin until they bleed...and it is hard to make him stop. Sometimes we just have to glove him....and then tape the gloves so he cannot take them off and continue. It is just some medical tape but he doesn't know how to take that off so it is for his own protection, because sometimes the digging is excessive and gets...well deep. And it needs to heal or it'll get infected...and its just compulsive. He doesn't know how to stop himself. But he was also diagnosed with ADHD with his Autism, so maybe that has something more to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OP
    There is a perception out there held by some, understandably, that ADHD is essentially Ne, or vice versa. That is, if you see someone either with ADHD or Ne high in their stacking and proficiency (I'd imagine the ENPs appear as the ADHD type, and the INPs appear as the ADD types) then the two are interchange.
    I used to correlate these, but you know...ADHD is something that interferes with everyday life. I imagine that "Ne," allegedly a component of personality, would not interfere with everyday life. It should not be impairing you to the point of needing to take medications and find coping mechanisms the way that ADHD does. Many people with this disorder struggle in jobs and school because of it. That's a lot more than just getting lots of ideas, connections, and possibilities whirling around in your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisName View Post
    @Bismuth Blitz a doctor isn't able to screen you. Unless you mean your psychiatrist? I don't know how it works in your country, but to get an official diagnosis you usually have to take various tests. In total these tests might take three hours or more to finish them.
    This is not the case in the US. In my experience with being diagnosed 3 times the extensiveness of the screening varies depending on where you go / who you're seeing. (Psychiatrists sometimes want to do their own diagnoses before administering medications, plus they require you to be rediagnosed as an adult.) I can't remember the one from age 7, but as for the 2 I've had during adulthood...one was a simple questionnaire, the other was rather extensive, testing all kinds of things like your reactions on a machine, asking questions, etc. and it took over an hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post
    This is not the case in the US. In my experience with being diagnosed 3 times the extensiveness of the screening varies depending on where you go / who you're seeing. (Psychiatrists sometimes want to do their own diagnoses before administering medications, plus they require you to be rediagnosed as an adult.) I can't remember the one from age 7, but as for the 2 I've had during adulthood...one was a simple questionnaire, the other was rather extensive, testing all kinds of things like your reactions on a machine, asking questions, etc. and it took over an hour.
    That rather seems odd to me. Imo, you can't form a proper diagnoses based on a questionnaire and/or a one hour conversation. Not that it is always impossible. But thorough (background) screening is important.
    With this in mind self-diagnosing may even seem more reliable than answering a doctor's questionnaire. (Not that I am a huge fan of self-diagnosing)
    Now I suppose it also depends what they are testing you for. In my case I had an 'interview', then I had at least three other tests which were a horrible thing to go through to get a freaking diagnosis (and then they interviewed my parents).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisName View Post
    That rather seems odd to me. Imo, you can't form a proper diagnoses based on a questionnaire and/or a one hour conversation. Not that it is always impossible. But thorough (background) screening is important.
    With this in mind self-diagnosing may even seem more reliable than answering a doctor's questionnaire. (Not that I am a huge fan of self-diagnosing)
    Now I suppose it also depends what they are testing you for. In my case I had an 'interview', then I had at least three other tests which were a horrible thing to go through to get a freaking diagnosis (and then they interviewed my parents).
    Hmm it wasn't a one hour conversation, there was a lot of other stuff involved and it was like 3 hours iirc...but yeah.
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    I was diagnosed with ADHD (inattentive) in one "therapy" session. I dunno... I think if anything, I hyper-focus on my internal world and tune the external out. I really don't think it's a disorder... I think I am just doubly introverted and prefer to process shit over and over in an introverted manner and cant be bothered with the external, unless I have to or want to.

    I think Ne/Se are also likely to be diagnosed with ADHD because they are preoccupied with consuming the new and expansive, either abstractly or directly. I bet half of the population could technically be diagnosed with ADD of some variety, which really makes you think about how society has pathologized "unproductive" behavior according to expectations and arbitrary standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saprophytic Aphrodite View Post
    I was diagnosed with ADHD (inattentive) in one "therapy" session. I dunno... I think if anything, I hyper-focus on my internal world and tune the external out. I really don't think it's a disorder... I think I am just doubly introverted and prefer to process shit over and over in an introverted manner and cant be bothered with the external, unless I have to or want to.

    I think Ne/Se are also likely to be diagnosed with ADHD because they are preoccupied with consuming the new and expansive, either abstractly or directly. I bet half of the population could technically be diagnosed with ADD of some variety, which really makes you think about how society has pathologized "unproductive" behavior according to expectations and arbitrary standards.

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    I do think that a lot of people just oversimplify what ADHD actually is and this leads to this kind of misconception. Unproductive behavior is one thing, but not only have brain scans proven that ADHD brains are different, I can also tell you from firsthand experience that true ADHD is significant and problematic. I worked at a pizza place as a teen/young adult for example, and I would literally have to read the screen about 6x's and still mess up orders. I was trying my best and it really impacted my confidence. It's one thing to prefer to be in your internal world all the time, but another to be unable to come out of it enough to live your life properly and having breakdowns at work because you just can't get your symptoms under control enough to do your job right (plus coworkers already treat you like you're stupid because of it). Once I was on medication I was at the same pizza place reading the screen once, making the orders more accurately, plus I was catching others' mistakes and making sure everything was running smoothly. I've been fired from jobs over ADHD symptoms several times despite my best efforts because I was making mistakes caused by my ADHD. People talk about the disorder like it's insignificant and "anyone could have it" but just because it's overdiagnosed doesn't mean the real thing isn't more serious and causing damage in some peoples' lives. The important thing to remember about disorders is that they are disorders because they interfere with everyday life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post
    I do think that a lot of people just oversimplify what ADHD actually is and this leads to this kind of misconception. Unproductive behavior is one thing, but not only have brain scans proven that ADHD brains are different, I can also tell you from firsthand experience that true ADHD is significant and problematic. I worked at a pizza place as a teen/young adult for example, and I would literally have to read the screen about 6x's and still mess up orders. I was trying my best and it really impacted my confidence. It's one thing to prefer to be in your internal world all the time, but another to be unable to come out of it enough to live your life properly. Once I was on medication I was at the same pizza place reading the screen once, making the orders more accurately, plus I was catching others' mistakes and making sure everything was running smoothly. I've been fired from jobs over ADHD symptoms several times despite my best efforts because I was making mistakes caused by my ADHD. People talk about the disorder like it's insignificant and "anyone could have it" but just because it's overdiagnosed doesn't mean the real thing isn't more serious and causing damage in some peoples' lives.
    To be clear, I am not proclaiming that it is not a thing. I was also diagnosed in childhood, fwiw, and placed on medication. I vaguely remember feeling too sleepy on it (?), and thus I discontinued. I think I probably qualify for an executive functioning "disorder", as these issues are persistent throughout my life. What I am attempting to say is more along the lines of "we are pathologizing variations in personality structure because these square pegs do not fit into these round holes that we have so carefully carved out for society".

    We don't fit in because the majority doesn't want us to be this way. It's not because we are "wrong". Put us in a different type of environment and we will thrive, at our own pace according to our own rules.
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