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    I smoked for about a decade on and off. I used Chantix. It was phenomenally effective as Wellbutrin was not an option for me (seizure history). Just a suggestion, it really worked.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    This ban may actually help if I took your approach, as I don’t particularly enjoy tobacco flavored vape, and that’s the one type the ban won’t affect. I have a few unopened bottles of various tobacco flavors I’ve been saving. It’s funny because when I first started all I wanted were tobacco flavored juices
    Eh. Yeah. I just don't want to be too 'obvious' about it ya know. So I'm switching to flavors I don't particularly like rather than actively dislike. Cheap tricks like making the juice disgusting all of a sudden will just make you miss the old juice rather than put you off juice altogether. Think of as trying to break up some couple. You're not going to do that by photoshoping the chicks' face to look like a troll. You'd want to take away the sex, then make them annoy each other until the reward is just not worth the effort anymore. Not that I ever did something like that, that would be evil.
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    I've smoked for many years, regularly since 18 (since about 12 was my first cigarette). I was able to quit cold turkey because I think it was a mental thing, rather like a complete paradigm shift. Vaping, I took up recently to suppress appetite. I was hovering around 175lbs prior to and am down to 165lbs where I should be at. Probably not the most ideal way to lose weight, but it works and I've not seen any adverse effects to my jiu jitsu, so it's whatever. This ban is dumb and lacks nuance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    As I have already pointed out, the vast majority of deaths have been caused by black market products and/or devices. Often THC based. Because cannabis is a relatively safe drug to smoke, some people therefore assume it's safe in vaping devices, which isn't necessarily the case. In some cases, people think that cannabis wax is OK to melt down and add to vaping juice. That is highly dangerous, as most vaping devices do not produce the level of heat required to make those waxes safe for inhalation. Vitamin E oil has also been linked to many deaths. Vitamin E is beneficial as a supplement taken in pill form, but when used as an oil additive to vaping products, it is highly dangerous.

    In the state of New York, of every ill person who submitted their devices and products for testing, each case was linked to high levels vitamin E acetate.

    source: Vaping deaths: Here's what you need to know - CNN

    Exclusive: Lung doctors tell why and how Oregon vaping victim died - oregonlive.com

    "Two Portland doctors say vaping marijuana oils likely led to the death of the Oregon patient they tried to save earlier this summer"

    It's no surprise then that these types of deaths began to occur after said THC-based and black market products became easy to access and obtain. Vaping itself is not the issue, it's what people are using in their devices. People need to be clear on this before they start calling for the banning of all vaping.

    There wasn't an epidemic before THC based products began to appear. There will be no continuing epidemic if said THC based products are banned and removed from the market.
    They need to make them safer, because what's in them is... reading a lot of the stuff, it's scary. I used a little thc/cbd sort of pen and I stopped using it just in case. It's really scary and my lungs felt weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodrama View Post
    They need to make them safer, because what's in them is... reading a lot of the stuff, it's scary. I used a little thc/cbd sort of pen and I stopped using it just in case. It's really scary and my lungs felt weird.
    Overall they are - on paper at least - super safe compared to cigarettes. But yes you are right some producers tend to add some slightly harmful chemicals (but again, immensely safer than cigs) but they tend to - as you mentioned - 'feel weird' when vaped so it's quite easy to stay clear of them.

    Same things with some harmful chemicals created if the liquid is heated up too much - they actually create a HORRIBLE taste that is extremely easy to spot.


    Most of the dangers outlined in studies fit these categories. For example they'll test the vaping mod on a machine used to test cigarettes - but mods are not supposed to be pulled on as hard as cigarettes - so they overheat and create all the harmful stuff that no human would actually inhale [try overheating eliquid, you can tell right away, it's not something people would accidentally inhale for more than 0.1s - and even if you wanted to, you'd just reflexively cough it out].
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Overall they are - on paper at least - super safe compared to cigarettes. But yes you are right some producers tend to add some slightly harmful chemicals (but again, immensely safer than cigs) but they tend to - as you mentioned - 'feel weird' when vaped so it's quite easy to stay clear of them.

    Same things with some harmful chemicals created if the liquid is heated up too much - they actually create a HORRIBLE taste that is extremely easy to spot.


    Most of the dangers outlined in studies fit these categories. For example they'll test the vaping mod on a machine used to test cigarettes - but mods are not supposed to be pulled on as hard as cigarettes - so they overheat and create all the harmful stuff that no human would actually inhale [try overheating eliquid, you can tell right away, it's not something people would accidentally inhale for more than 0.1s - and even if you wanted to, you'd just reflexively cough it out].
    If they manage to figure out what it is that's causing the illnesses and get what's put in these vapes and analyze it and stuff, maybe I'll try vaping again. Like, I only vape weed stuff, and I've only gotten my stuff from one place. I don't use that much but I'm scared hearing all of this stuff and the potential side effects. What's hilarious is that the government will act swiftly to ban this stuff, but they can't figure out how to ban guns. Gee, willickers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodrama View Post
    If they manage to figure out what it is that's causing the illnesses and get what's put in these vapes and analyze it and stuff, maybe I'll try vaping again. Like, I only vape weed stuff, and I've only gotten my stuff from one place. I don't use that much but I'm scared hearing all of this stuff and the potential side effects. What's hilarious is that the government will act swiftly to ban this stuff, but they can't figure out how to ban guns. Gee, willickers....
    It seems like it was off-the-street tainted weed flavored or something liquid containing a form of vitamin E that's very toxic when overheated. Many users don't want to admit to it but enough did to make it the natural conclusion.
    The reason many of them don't want to admit is not necessarily because of the 'weed' bit but because their insurance would probably not cover the expense (which I'm assuming, given the insane prices of healthcare in the US can mount to hundreds of thousands of dollars)
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    Weed products aren't well regulated, if at all. Also, many vape pens are being misused for weed. And even when the vape pens are being used for what they're being made for, people are cheaping out and buying knock off vape juices or making it themselves with substandard ingredients.

    My husband vapes flavored nicotine juice and is a long distance runner. No problems since he doesn't trust discount vape juices and isn't into weed products. He also doesn't use pens and especially not Juul.
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    All the bad news about vaping comes from America as far as I am aware.

    It annoys me, because I live in Belgium and even here people will be like "Haven't you heard? It's dangerous!" All the fake news about it, Dutch news magazines will 'copy' things that happened in America and will 'accidentally' forget to mention the the person who became incredibly ill was using stuff that is not suitable for vaping.
    Not to mention that the safety rules in America and other countries probably differ from those in the EU. I have even heard stories about dogs dying in America because even the safety rules for dog food are shit. European countries wouldn't even allow such dog food to be sold. It all gets tested and double checked before people are able to buy it.

    So it seems more like the American government doesn't care and people have to do research themselves. Doing research before you buy something is always a good plan (even when the safety rules are high), but the people who don't do this will obviously end up in a news paper (or a coffin, maybe both).

    I won't say that vaping is 100% healthy. You're still breathing in some weird stuff. On the other hand... The air is polluted as fuck, who cares. We're all going to die eventually.
    When I still smoked I felt seriously fucked up, walking up the stairs was already exhausting and I used to be very fit person. I don't experience this stuff with vaping anymore and I have been vaping for over two years now.

    Also, I don't know how expensive smoking is in America. But in my country it's expensive because of the healthcare taxes. People are smoking less and are starting to vape more. The government is losing their income and are just searching for an excuse to put these taxes on vaping too.

    What I think is kind of hilarious and ironic... is that they have banned vaping in certain countries/states because people die from it but erhm... It's not like cigarettes have already killed like, maybe, at least five people..? Hmmn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bechimo View Post
    Weed products aren't well regulated, if at all. Also, many vape pens are being misused for weed. And even when the vape pens are being used for what they're being made for, people are cheaping out and buying knock off vape juices or making it themselves with substandard ingredients.

    My husband vapes flavored nicotine juice and is a long distance runner. No problems since he doesn't trust discount vape juices and isn't into weed products. He also doesn't use pens and especially not Juul.
    This is exactly why this ban is misguided. It will punish responsible adult users like your husband, meanwhile the black market for untested, potentially dangerous products could simply continue to grow under the radar. Trump is a fucking whipped little baby. He’s only doing this because melania freaked out about it

    Stronger regulations and standards are needed, not an outright ban

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