First, to answer your OP:
I think it is absolutely ridiculous when people act like it is WRONG for someone to DARE question their type. This is a typology website. This is a place where we are trying to understand typology. That means constantly evaluatig and reevaluation behavior and vauses for behavior to understand patterns of type. This is not a place where you get to DEMAND that people see you as a particular type and then when people DONT- get offended and act like they are doing something wrong for questioning you.
Personally, I feel that that behavior in and of itself shows that you have a problem that you are desperatly trying to fill with validation from a typlogy system- rather than actually trying to understand yourself.
To understand typology- peoplee need to feel free to question others. To understand what IS a type- people also need to not fear being called out when they try to determine what “isntâ€. If no one is allowed to question- then typology goes from a living and constantly developing understanding to something that is dead and worn by people like a badge.
Again. In my opinion- this is a typology website and Im just... it seems more and more lately this has become less about people trying to understand themselves and others- and more about forcing people to understand them as they want to be seen.
Wrong in what sense to question someone's type? Sure, this is a typology forum, so that is either the subject or at least an undercurrent of much of the discussion here. Still, I think common courtesy applies. It is certainly acceptable if someone invites comment on their type, either explicitly or by making a "type me" thread, or by posting in threads like "is the member above correctly typed". I consider it fair game also if someone refers to it in passing, as in: "As an XYZW I have always had a hard time with [whatever]". Saying as part of your response that you don't see them as an XYZW, or perhaps even that you think they might be PQRS instead is again just responding to something they brought up.
I think it is a bit much, however, if everyone is just swapping chili recipes, and someone out of the blue tells another member, "By the way, I don't really think you are XYZW". If nothing else, it is a derail. Finally, as with most interactions here, if someone asks people, collectively or individually, not to question their type, they should stop just as a courtesy. Even if it is in the member's own type-me thread. The thread may die then, but that is their choice. It may not make sense, but then members have a right not to make sense, as long as it doesn't violate forum rules.
I think calling someone a type as a way to insult them is wrong. But I think if someone is willing to sit there and provide reasoning for why you DONT fit a type, serious well thought out reasoning, and then someone gets offended and that sort of thing is then seen as bullying or something- thats not right.
The caveat to what I wrote above is that, in all cases, the type questioning should be done with courtesy, and an understanding that the other member knows themselves better than you do. Perhaps people are being testier about it now because the manner of questioning is less respectful and constructive.
For example- when I first joined here I typed as INTP because I had this need, that I now recognize, to understand exactly why I never felt like “fit in†with female culture. I wasnt bubbly, I wasnt into makeup, I never cared for dolls and I related a lot to what I understood Ti/Ne to be at the time. People immediately started telling me I didnt seem very Ti. Everyone questioned my type. It kinda sucked a little bit because I really thought that I fit INTP to a tee when I came on here.
Eventually, this caused me to look around and try to understand why there was such a difference between how I perceived myself, how others perceived me, how I perceived typology, and how I really typed. It took a while but eventually I came around to the understanding that what I thought was me being a T type- was actually just that I wasnt an Fe type. It caused me to understand myself better as a person because I was willing to throw away a label that had served mostly just to make me feel better (even if it wasnt something that was conscious)
Had no one questioned my type I might still type myself as INTP. And maybe thats fine- but I am very happy that people DID question me- even if I didnt like it at the time- because it allowed me to step away from away from a label I was using as a shield and instead understand who I really was. It allowed me to fit a type to understand myself- instead of alter myself or answer questions, because of a cognitive bias, that turned me into someone who was desperate to fit a description to me.
IME, this is the greatest use of typing - not to slap a label on people, but as a framework to help you understand yourself better, and others. That whole idea of the disconnect between how you see yourself and how others see you is far more fundamental than any typing system. Working through it can be very useful, provided you have that external input to compare with your internal view. You may learn that you are neither the type you thought you were, nor the type that other person suggests you are, but something else instead. Here, it really is all about the journey.
-I see similar things from people on here all the time. New members who come on and demand that others see them as XNXX type- and then get upset when people offer solid reasons as why their perception of that individual is different. It means that, from what Ive seen, that person just gets more desperate to PROVE that they are a certain type- more distressed if you can believe it because they get SO defensive and offended that they start seeing people who DONT see them as that type as some sort of enemy.
I have seen this, too, and it is indeed unfortunate. I have also seen people whom I or others consistently disagree with about their type, and who take it all in stride, asking us to explain why we disagree, and folding that all in to their perspective rather than dismissing it outright.
How do you know what a type is? What criteria are you using?
Irrelevant. The purpose of the thread is to discuss the change in attitude toward type as a topic, specifically to the notion of questioning someone else's type. We actually discuss several typing systems here, so this discussion can and should be system agnostic.
This site hasn't historically had too many active INTJs. The site owner's an INTJ who, if I recall correctly, has more conservative views. Not sure if he's a libertarian or more conservative. Coriolis is a libertarian INTJ, albeit they're socially more left. Edgar's an INTJ who's definitively not a left-winger. And so on.
So, they're not being banned for having right winged views. They're being banned for assorted recurring rule violations which isn't unusual for immature INTJs.
Sorry, not libertarian, but your conclusion is right on the money.