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    Quote Originally Posted by Video View Post
    The ability to form images is, I've had confirmed beyond any doubt, the seat of who I am and what makes me feel alive. Being injured in the brain to the effect of losing this ability would be a very bad situation personally.

    My mind's eye is detailed and, if the object is important enough to me or someone I have an obligation to, photographic. The weird thing is how fast it is - both the speed it's capable of and that I use it at by preference. There's no slowing it down to pour over the details of an image, and I get bored and it feels needless if I try to do that. Those details are just there, I know what and where they are, and if they're relevant. The image goes by in a flash of less than a second, and I have everything I am interested in from it. The physical world can feel too slow by comparison.
    Do you paint or draw much? If so, is it easy to create something accurately from your mind's eye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    Do you paint or draw much? If so, is it easy to create something accurately from your mind's eye?
    I used to draw quite a bit, but no at creating something accurately from the mind. I can only do my best. Actually it's better if I don't try to replicate something in my head exactly, use that or an existing image as just a starting point (love public domain sea life and medical images), and let something else come alive from that as I go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    I was writing my dreams down for awhile first thing in the morning, and I found that that helped with my memory/imagery strength. I was able to recall in fairly vivid detail the finer, well, details. I stopped only because I value my sleep and it was too draining to get up extra early just to write dreams down. I'd have to be in bed by 10 every night to do so and not feel like a bag of crap. Anyway, I recommend that as an exercise for anyone looking to strengthen their mind's eye.
    *stuffs my unconscious into a box and shuffles it under the bed* >_>

    Memory is weird as shit. I know the details of the inventory I have in the kitchen because I keep mental stock, but it's not really images, it's just memory.

    I have better memory of PICTURES I've seen than actual scenes I've seen, which is a huge pain in the ass because I can remember that one handsome guy from 10 years ago only via remembering his photo, which is not the same thing as remembering his face. And the less it gets recalled, the blurrier it gets, to the extent that it becomes an essence of an event.

    tl;dr memory isn't pictorial, though the link you sent is right, I would strongly suspect drawbacks to vivid pictorial IMAGINATION as being linked to issues like addiction and anxiety. I have an addictvie personality, anxiety, and I have escapist tendencies. True Pisces (tm) None of this is counteracted by my ability to ... do anything else, since it's far better to imagine than paint anyway, or write, both of which take time and I get car sickness if I try to write on a car, but inspiration is fleeting, so it is literally useless.
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    How do you experience mental imagery? Do you experience it at all?

    I think it comes pretty naturally to me, but only in terms of "realistic" things. I can create new faces in my head easily (i.e. for fictional characters I make up). I can imagine things that I've seen in the things I've seen in the past pretty easily and fill in the details. (Something like a sunflower, or the ocean. Nothing overly specific or detailed.) I can recall people's faces very well, but details such as clothes, eye colors, or hairstyles are lost on me. If I'm reading a fantasy or science fiction novel or something, it's hard for me to imagine creatures of a brand new species or a super strange setting.
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    My visual imagery varies by what I am doing. I also don't think most people's mental imagery is photographic. Mine is strong, but it's more than just sight that I get when I imagine something. I am also concerned I have some kind of face blindness because I actually have a hard time telling people apart and seeing faces accurately without side by side comaprison. I also don't usually dream of people unless they are a major element in the story.

    Like if you tell me to imagine a tree, id usually picture it as if I was there in person looking at a tree. I don't picture a photograph of one. I'd imagine the size, texture, shape, temperature, weather, what im standing on etc too. If I close my eyes, I can amplify the effects. I usually daydream too like Fay, so I have worked it like a muscle.

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    My ability to properly focus on my internal landscapes has improved greatly since I started this thread. I used to have basically no conscious history of my thoughts, as in they just sort of happened and moved from one to the next so naturally that I didn't even pay attention or log what was going on. I had to teach myself to be more mindful in order to reconnect with myself.

    I think there were a few contributing factors to these self-blockages, mainly summarized in trauma and neuroticism, and as I've filtered through some of that, I've realized how rich my inner world can be. I prefer to live in an internal landscape and have scenes that I call upon myself when I want to feel something different (I'm not claiming that this is healthy). My most vivid experiences involve music... I've created entire video stories, like an actual short story of imagery, to songs. I also use music as a catalyst to emotive imagery. I was talking about this yesterday, but sometimes I'll go to this scene of a vast, dark ocean, and I'll picture/feel myself drop into the water, sorta ass first, with my arms and legs floating up gently, completely relaxed, slowly sinking until it becomes too dark to see myself. Sometimes there is also a thin veil of sheer fabric cradling me, with corners and edges floating up along my limbs. It's rather womb-like. It's a combination of emotional indulgence and self-soothing, and it helps to center me if I'm feeling shite, so even though it sorta romanticizes pain, it's also meditative for me. There's a yin-yang quality to it in a way.

    I would love to bridge the gap between my mental imagery and the physical world via art, I just lack the initiative and dedication. Maybe that's what I'll be writing about in another three years, perhaps with actual images of my imagery.

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    I do have quite a bit of mental imagery. And it's not just images- I think I was extremely nonverbal growing up that I developed my own way of processing information that persists until now. I barely think in language at all- my thoughts come in the form of sounds/music, or imagery that can be very difficult to put into words. It's very symbolic. Imagine thinking in symbols all the time. Imagine a stop sign- even if there is no words, you see the shape, the colours, and you know it means 'stop'- you know it as a concept even if the word 'stop' itself doesn't come to mind. My mind is full of such things.

    I had no idea there were mind blind people. My IQ tests (which is the only test that's ever formally tested my aptitude for this at length- bear with me) demonstrated a superior spatial thinking ability; it's that silly part of the test where you see blocks clumped together with dots and you're supposed to answer which shapes are the same ones, which requires you to 'rotate' them around in your mind [link] [link] [link]. I recall a silly demonstration of it when I was in grade school where I was the only child in my class who rotated a complex object in my head and gave the correct answer to some quiz, which funnily enough defeated the point of the exercise (I couldn't remember exactly what it was, but I remember this one part in my memory because the teachers were very surprised at me, and that it's one of those 'TADAAA' lessons where the kids were expected to answer wrong and the teachers swoop in with the 'TADAAA' answer). Speaking of my childhood, that's also how I did addition / multiplication for maths as a young'un. I would see in my mind- for example, 3x5- I will imagine a cluster of 5 objects, then 'copy-paste' it 3 times, then count them one by one. 15.

    I wonder if this is part of why my dreams are so ... so, vivid. I see places simulated in my brain from all angles, types of places I have never seen in real life. My favourite recent one was this: [link] [link]. I have never been to such a place in real life. I felt the swaying of the cable car, I saw the gently rolling fog, the swaying of the trees and leaves as I descended from a mountaintop, passing by rocky peaks and trees. It's not foggy, I see it as-is, like it is a movie I am watching, or that I was actually there. I've always wondered how the hell my brain could construct / render such things, but it's extremely enjoyable, so I'm not complaining.
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    I do also think in words. I wish I didn't because it seems cooler to not really have an internal voice and to process things solely abstractly, but I have a very loud and clear internal voice that loves to think in boring statements or even long monologues, and I can see print in my head just fine too.

    I remember when I was a young child, a boy that I went to school with died tragically in a fire. It was my first exposure to death, and I actually kept seeing the actual word "death" in bright white print on a black background, flashing at medium pace. I also read and write in my dreams. I think it's more because I spend a rather unhealthy amount of time online, and so I am constantly looking at and processing things via written and internally spoken word. I also associate this tendency with high neuroticism... just that need to constantly think.

    I'd love to get out of this state of existence and become more grounded with not only physical reality, but abstract interpretation of it, sans words. I suspect I would be capable if I committed to mindfulness and detachment from devices/the internet.

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