Does MBTI/socionics normalize trauma?

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Excuse the kind of out-there, clickbait-ish title.

I have just created a thread on vegetotherapy and process/depth psychology (supposedly, post-Jungian) and I do wonder whether there is indeed a strict dichotomy between Jungian and post-Jungian psychology.

Could it be that Jungian typology (as a subset of Jungian psychology), in all of its legitimacy, provides shelter for those with a weak sense of self (which can also be legitimized by postmodernism), possibly stemming from enmeshed boundaries with primary caregivers and more or less covert/subtle abuse?

Is this an old ''debate'' in the community? Is it even worthy of being called a debate? Do you think that these approaches do contradict each other?

 

[Reborn Relic]

It's a real danger, I think, though I think there's the possibility of it being neutral for others and perhaps even beneficial for a few (who would need more positive reward-based psychology to motivate themselves into getting better).

 

[Yuurei]

I don't understand. Explain in layman's.

 

[erg]

I think that personality theories in general attract people with a weak sense of self. People who seem to be on a search for something. This could be caused by many things, but most commonly some sort of trauma during childhood. I'm not saying everyone interested in personality theories, or in typology communities will be a traumatized person, but I think a good number of them will be. This hypothesis has been confirmed to me during my interactions with people on forums. Also, this friend of mine (ILI in socionics) came to this same conclusion as me separately.

 

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Thanks

[MENTION=29849]Yuu[/MENTION], this article provides a case in point : http://iji.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.88/prod.1576

''A Post-jungian Understanding of the Counter-dependent Puella Aeterna (Eternal Girl) as Psychological Pattern in Women''

The eternal child (puer aeternus/puella aeterna) profiles ENFP. This article links the complex to ''underlying narcissistic wounding and archetypal dynamics''. Maybe I have a limited sample, but I noticed that typology discussions rarely if ever end up making reference to narcissistic wounding (trauma), C-PTSD etc. I believe that socionics reinforces the ''shielding'' by introducing the concept of natural conflictors.

The article also places these dynamics in the patriarchical society but this is not something that has been under my radar.

 

[Ashtart]

I think that personality theories in general attract people with a weak sense of self. People who seem to be on a search for something. This could be caused by many things, but most commonly some sort of trauma during childhood. I'm not saying everyone interested in personality theories, or in typology communities will be a traumatized person, but I think a good number of them will be. This hypothesis has been confirmed to me during my interactions with people on forums. Also, this friend of mine (ILI in socionics) came to this same conclusion as me separately.

This. Exactly this.

 

[Norrsken]

Had to check my eyes, I thought Mole started this thread.
Regardless, I think it's human nature for people to latch themselves onto any belief systems to process hidden pains through them and I don't fault myself or anyone else to do so.

 

[Obfuscate]

several years ago i looked into the idea that other intp's landed in their personality type due to "trauma", and found this thread... i for one, know that i would not be intp if it wasn't for some fucked up shit that happened when i was younger... i found it really interesting how many people claimed to have had shit happen to them during their formative years... i don't think that being intp is necessarily caused by these things, but i highly suspect the numbers swell because of them... i don't have much of an opinion concerning normalization... i also don't concern myself much with wether my understanding matches that of jung or of those who followed... i have my own mental model, but for the most part i view all of this as a shorthand method of communicating who i feel i am and what i observe in others... i think that the water is far too muddy to pinpoint with any accuracy a concrete awnser to your question...

 

[noimage]

Had to check my eyes, I thought Mole started this thread.
Regardless, I think it's human nature for people to latch themselves onto any belief systems to process hidden pains through them and I don't fault myself or anyone else to do so.

thanks for the reference. I looked up Mole's threads and they have very interesting material.

 

[Zeego]

several years ago i looked into the idea that other intp's landed in their personality type due to "trauma", and found this thread... i for one, know that i would not be intp if it wasn't for some fucked up shit that happened when i was younger... i found it really interesting how many people claimed to have had shit happen to them during their formative years... i don't think that being intp is necessarily caused by these things, but i highly suspect the numbers swell because of them...

Very interesting read, thank you for sharing. The general consensus on that page seems to be that a person can indeed be conditioned to be a certain personality type. I don't know what made me INTP, but I have considered that it might be related to intrusive thoughts that I sometimes have. I wonder how childhood trauma would correlate with other MBTI types. Personally I would expect it to correlate with introversion in general, but obviously there would have to be actual research done here.