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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    i thought 98% of people who in big business/politics were that. and so those do belong but it's actually the honest people who don't. the world is fucked up, but people pretend that honesty and integrity get you places. it doesn't being hot (if you're a female) being funny (if you're male or female) being manipulative, and being smart is what gets you places
    Slightly off topic, but there is a philosophical viewpoint that it is better to be dishonest and lie (or be neutral) than it is to be honest. The reasoning behind it is because it is better to be dishonest and gain than it is to be honest and lose everything. In places like business and politics, you won't get anywhere with being honest. People either don't want to see your negative views, that they want your views under wraps, or they want you to share their views (whether true or not.) How many people did you see show a negative view and end up having it blow up into everyone's faces later on?

    In these type of roles, one does have to have a level of "psychopathy" to ignore and manipulate to get places. At the end of the day, it is either allowing another business winning, or having a temporary ally getting taken away because of honesty in business and political terms. In places like becoming a surgeon, it becomes paramount to not feel or empathize because surgery is already a risky and intensive business. If one can be honest but dishonest, all the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    Slightly off topic, but there is a philosophical viewpoint that it is better to be dishonest and lie (or be neutral) than it is to be honest. The reasoning behind it is because it is better to be dishonest and gain than it is to be honest and lose everything. In places like business and politics, you won't get anywhere with being honest. People either don't want to see your negative views, that they want your views under wraps, or they want you to share their views (whether true or not.) How many people did you see show a negative view and end up having it blow up into everyone's faces later on?

    In these type of roles, one does have to have a level of "psychopathy" to ignore and manipulate to get places. At the end of the day, it is either allowing another business winning, or having a temporary ally getting taken away because of honesty in business and political terms. In places like becoming a surgeon, it becomes paramount to not feel or empathize because surgery is already a risky and intensive business. If one can be honest but dishonest, all the better.
    What if your honesty is positive?
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    screened by whom? employers? i really don't see employers handing out the MMPI to potential employees in the corporate world. if anything they might give you a bonus if you score high on those traits. you might want to also consider that a psychopathic/narcissistic/etc CEO may well be the one who started the firm so it might be a tad difficult to oust them if it's their private company.

    it looks like it would also be illegal not to mention highly unethical/big brotherish:

    The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) is a highly validated psychopathology test that is generally used in a clinical psychology setting and may reveal potential mental health disorders.[10] However, this can be considered by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission as the employer having knowledge of a medical condition prior to an offer of employment. This is an illegal basis for a hiring decision in the United States. Employers considering personality tests should focus on tests designed for job purposes and do not provide any information regarding an applicant's mental health or stability.

    Notable situations in which the MMPI may be used are in final selection for police officers, fire fighters, and other security and emergency personnel, especially when the employees are required to carry weapons. An assessment of mental stability and fitness can be reasonably related and necessary in the performance of the job. wiki

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    There is a big difference between rationally deciding against emotional input such as the loss/gain morality in business through 'intelligence' (bracketed because you know, intelligence, such a wrongly defined concept) and being psychopathic.

    Sure intelligent psychopathic people may be able to adjust to society better then unintelligent ones. Thats pretty logical. But I'm against the notion that 'the elite' (bwaha) in society are psychopaths, even if their descision making may seem to leave something to be desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    I'm against the notion that 'the elite' (bwaha) in society are psychopaths, even if their descision making may seem to leave something to be desired.
    Totally agree that a lot of them are not, but I'd bet theres a number who are

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    I thought that duplicitousness was part of psychopathic symptomatology in the first place. Or is that anti-social personality disorder?

    Speaking of which, what is the difference between the two?

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    I can discover psychopath easily. Because I feel the difference between true and false empathy. The key word is empathy. There are borderline psychopaths, also. They are in some ways empathetic in some not. God gave me the gift (or curse, curse often, because it's overwhelming), knowledge of the various nuances of the human psyche. And, straight to the core of the problem. Scorpio Midheaven. Sometimes, I'm scared of some people psyche and from my knowledge about that.
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