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Wanting people to like you (need advice)

Siúil a Rúin

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Oh, wow. This point hit me hard. This is exactly my childhood. I had great parents and a great sister, but there were a few "friends" in my life that would just turn on me out of nowhere, and it made me socially anxious and mistrustful of people I didn't know well. I started becoming more independent, more self-reliant, and started making people have to hang around me for a LONG time before I considered them trustworthy enough to open up to. I was always afraid that the rules would change, or they'd read my shyness as snobbery, or something along those lines. One example, in junior high one day, I was standing around in a group with friends, and just mostly listening. This girl who was sort of aggressive and frankly intimidated me, since I was a shy kid, just out of the blue looked at me and said, "You just think you're so much better than everyone else, don't you?" And this was the first thing this girl had EVER said to me. I mean, where does that come from, and how do you even respond to that? So now I'm HYPER sensitive to acting friendly, so nobody gets their emotional panties in a wad. I had lots of weird things like that happen when I was a kid...
That type of thing has happened to me and it is partly why I get tired around people. In my experience I had people assume I was judging them when it never crossed my mind. In high school i was on the outer fringe of the "bookish girl clique". In the locker room they would joke and tease with each other and I would withdraw because of shyness. In my mind i would think "what is wrong with me? I can't ever think of responses on the fly. I suppose i will never be able to interact socially, etc." At one later point one of the girls said they thought I was judging them.

I've spent my introverted time analyzing these types of social interactions and misunderstandings. I have come to realize that when you offer people a blank slate, they paint their fears on it. It was especially interesting to me to learn that was a specific technique used in Freud's psychotherapy. In my limited understanding of it, I read that the therapist was to express no personality or mannerism, so that the patient could project onto them the issue they have with other people. Then the therapist and patient work through the original problem. A strongly introverted person is going to have trouble filling in everyone's blanks during interactions, so I adjust by limiting my interactions. I also make an effort not to do the projecting myself.

On a vaguely related note to the thread: If you want to overcome the need to have other people like you, teach lots of students. It's precious near impossible to please everyone when in authority. No matter what you do someone is going to complain. If you work with enough of them, it naturally becomes depersonalized. No one has the energy to care on an individual basis if 900 people like them.
 

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...In the locker room they would joke and tease with each other and I would withdraw because of shyness. In my mind i would think "what is wrong with me? I can't ever think of responses on the fly. I suppose i will never be able to interact socially, etc." At one later point one of the girls said they thought I was judging them.

I've spent my introverted time analyzing these types of social interactions and misunderstandings. I have come to realize that when you offer people a blank slate, they paint their fears on it...

Very insightful. :) Both you and 'lulah, I identify with. I realized at some point that my silence (which was me basically judging myself and being afraid of being judged) sometimes left other people feeling that I was judging THEM and/or was snotty.

I don't know if this had an impact on me starting to extrovert friendly feelings more, just so I could put out discernible signals so others had more trouble "projecting" on me, but it definitely helped with feeling part of the group and being accepted.

But dammit... now I am looking at my relationship with my parents. If I have kept silent so often as to avoid hurting them, maybe they took it differently; lord knows how much they project. *mulls*
 

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... I have come to realize that when you offer people a blank slate, they paint their fears on it. ...
Incredibly profound statement!
And so true!
 

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... If I have kept silent so often as to avoid hurting them, maybe they took it differently; lord knows how much they project. *mulls*
I started noticing this with my husband.
I began to realize that since he's not a very good mind reader,
I should probably speak up.
It causes more friction,
but it avoids misunderstanding.
 

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That type of thing has happened to me and it is partly why I get tired around people. In my experience I had people assume I was judging them when it never crossed my mind. In high school i was on the outer fringe of the "bookish girl clique". In the locker room they would joke and tease with each other and I would withdraw because of shyness. In my mind i would think "what is wrong with me? I can't ever think of responses on the fly. I suppose i will never be able to interact socially, etc." At one later point one of the girls said they thought I was judging them.

I've spent my introverted time analyzing these types of social interactions and misunderstandings. I have come to realize that when you offer people a blank slate, they paint their fears on it. It was especially interesting to me to learn that was a specific technique used in Freud's psychotherapy. In my limited understanding of it, I read that the therapist was to express no personality or mannerism, so that the patient could project onto them the issue they have with other people. Then the therapist and patient work through the original problem. A strongly introverted person is going to have trouble filling in everyone's blanks during interactions, so I adjust by limiting my interactions. I also make an effort not to do the projecting myself.

On a vaguely related note to the thread: If you want to overcome the need to have other people like you, teach lots of students. It's precious near impossible to please everyone when in authority. No matter what you do someone is going to complain. If you work with enough of them, it naturally becomes depersonalized. No one has the energy to care on an individual basis if 900 people like them.

Gosh, yes, I get exhausted around people, because I get tired of having to constantly alter my natural behavior to make them feel better. Meanwhile, I don't necessarily know whether they like ME or not, but they don't have to alter their behavior. They get to be exactly who they are. That's what's hard about being an introvert and/or shy.

I teach college English, and I still have issues with wanting to be liked, but I have learned that you have to set firm boundaries and that you can't please everyone. I imagine the more experience I acquire, the more I'll adjust.

I still have to make SUCH an effort in any remotely social situation. The problem is that I can fake it really well, so when I do go into introvert-hermit mode, people do take it personally. And when they see me interacting so easily with the people whom I do trust, they take it as a personal slight. Aaaargh. I know I'm not perfect, but neither is anyone else, and I'd like to be left alone with my idiosyncrasies, tyvm! :smile:

Very insightful. :) Both you and 'lulah, I identify with. I realized at some point that my silence (which was me basically judging myself and being afraid of being judged) sometimes left other people feeling that I was judging THEM and/or was snotty.

I don't know if this had an impact on me starting to extrovert friendly feelings more, just so I could put out discernible signals so others had more trouble "projecting" on me, but it definitely helped with feeling part of the group and being accepted.

But dammit... now I am looking at my relationship with my parents. If I have kept silent so often as to avoid hurting them, maybe they took it differently; lord knows how much they project. *mulls*

It's interesting how we introverts always default to silence when we aren't sure, or when we don't want to hurt others, and then it all comes back to haunt us. And what do you do when your coping method backfires? I do try to project more friendliness, but it just takes up a lot of my energy.
 

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Wow. That is my life. People projecting onto me. Wow.

I am introverted and have been called: mean, mysterious, intimidating, cold, uncaring, unkind, etc. This especially is a problem with my mom. SHe is very extroverted and depressed and always interprets my silence as judgment.

People indeed do paint their fears, anxiety, anger, whatever is going on in their heads onto you.
 

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One example, in junior high one day, I was standing around in a group with friends, and just mostly listening. This girl who was sort of aggressive and frankly intimidated me, since I was a shy kid, just out of the blue looked at me and said, "You just think you're so much better than everyone else, don't you?" And this was the first thing this girl had EVER said to me. I mean, where does that come from, and how do you even respond to that? So now I'm HYPER sensitive to acting friendly, so nobody gets their emotional panties in a wad. I had lots of weird things like that happen when I was a kid.

Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that happened to me. I get so pissed when I think about it, lol. I was very extraverted as a child, very hyper, loved to entertain, very curious, but after a few years of that kind of crap occuring periodically, my outward personality turned dramatically into a pattern of people avoidance and extreme anxiety that I've only recently begun trying to combat.

A few others mentioned feeling that they withhold their "true selves," while the rest of the world freely goes about their business. That they have to keep their own reactions under wraps, but are willing to put up with the reactions of others. I definitely relate to that feeling. It's like, in a strange way I'm covertly patronizing to most people I meet. I may even consciously recognize that others are painting their fears onto me, but even this realization does not stop me from looking at others as "children" in the midst of an overreaction, that I need to be "responsible" for by not showing my own emotions/reactions.

The only thing from my childhood that can relate to the above trait has to do with my parents. My mom was very depressed for a while when I was about 6-8 yrs old. She was in the hospital for knee surgery, her mother died - a bunch of bad events converged upon her within a short time span, and her behavior got sorta volatile from what I remember. She had a panic attack, and would mope around a lot. I couldn't stand it for some reason, and so to try to alleviate things, I'd try to entertain her and make her laugh. I was usually pretty good at it. But in the process, I got used to fearing the chaos of emotions on the run, and I felt responsible for reigning them in. Similar stuff went down when my dad had a bipolar hypomanic breakdown causing him to lose his job. This caused my mom a lot of anxiety, and so I went back into the same old pattern, harnessing my own anxiety to create humor to alleviate stress. I still get really nervous around pain, and I tend to feel a phantom responsibility to help alleviate it (through diversion - once again, usually in the form of humor). I don't know if this could tie back into the whole pleasing others thing - avoiding possible pain altogether by trying to make sure it can't get to me (making others happy and needing positive reactions from others towards me to SHOW me that they're happy and there's ABSOLUTELY nothing to fear).


It's good to recognize within ourselves the irrationality of it all, but to really combat this behavioral pattern, I get the impression that it's going to be necessary to go out there, meet a bunch of different types of personalities, and just deal with possible strife, keeping in mind that we simply can't be responsible for every facet of an outcome. I'm betting it's something that has to be experienced a lot so that we can get accustomed to it. Which is scary - facing those fears - but probably the most necessary step. At least that's the only conclusion I've ever reached. Easier said than done, but must be done.
 

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Wow. That is my life. People projecting onto me. Wow.

I am introverted and have been called: mean, mysterious, intimidating, cold, uncaring, unkind, etc. This especially is a problem with my mom. SHe is very extroverted and depressed and always interprets my silence as judgment.

People indeed do paint their fears, anxiety, anger, whatever is going on in their heads onto you.
I also I have learned this is very true, but not always, thankfully.
As a matter of fact, I make a special effort to pay careful attention to someone describing someone else, even if it's complimentary.
Very often that person is describing something about themselves.
 

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...It's interesting how we introverts always default to silence when we aren't sure, or when we don't want to hurt others, and then it all comes back to haunt us. And what do you do when your coping method backfires? I do try to project more friendliness, but it just takes up a lot of my energy.

You're right, it does. I usually go in spurts, where I am outwardly friendly... but eventually I crash and have to spend a day alone.

The other solution is to pace yourself... just enough incidents of friendliness to create little anchor points / external references that others can look at and say, "Oh, not sure how to read her now, but she was friendly yesterday, so I can just go with that."
 

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I've always wanted people to like me. In my younger and teenage years, I based my self image on what others thought of me. It was terrible. This extended into college, where I joined a sorority mostly due to my need to fit in & for people to like me. I've always placed a lot of value on being popular and liked by others because if I'm not liked, then what's wrong with me? In relationships, I would stick around way longer than necessary just trying to get the guy to like me and approve of me.

I can't say I have completely kicked the habit, as I still seek approval from those closest to me and in romantic relationships, but taking a leadership role in my job definitely helped a lot. I worked as a manager and let's face it - a lot of people hate their boss. Dealing with the fact that people simply did not like me actually forced me to face my fear of, well, people not liking me. I knew I was doing my best and doing everything that I could do in order to run my office diplomatically. At first it really did effect me emotionally, but it also forced me to evaluate what I was doing right and build self confidence. I've been a different (and much better) person ever since.
 

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It's kind of relieving to read that other people go through the same things I go through. Because of that I feel inspired to write some of my thoughts and experiences related to this, though they are a little personal.

My parents used to verbally fight a lot over the smallest things. They were of course fighting with each other, but sometimes the fights would stem from me. I didn't really realize at the time that they were just wanting to fight with each other, and that I was just the excuse, not the real reason. Sometimes I would just ask for my week's worth of lunch money, and my parents would find some way to fight about that ("I gave him lunch money last week. It's your turn!" etc.). It got to the point where I was afraid to ask for things when they were in the room together. The spontaneity of their fights scared the hell out of me. I think that's one of the reasons I became so sensitive to negative reactions and tension, and now I have learned how to defuse it quickly.

In fifth grade I had a close friend tell all my other close friends lies about things that I supposedly said about them. They all stopped talking to me until High School, and I had no one. I remember 5th grade was probably the most awkward year of my life because I had no friends and I distanced myself from everyone else since I didn't want to go through something like that again. That of course made me the perfect target for bullying, which always caught me off guard and left me not knowing what to do. Once I was sitting on the school bus and a kid spit a mouth full of coke all over the back of my head for no reason at all. I was shocked and honestly scared; I had done nothing to him. I of course turned around and looked at him and noticed that there were two girls across the aisle from him that he was probably trying to "impress". I remember another time a friend I had sat with me on the bus in 7th grade, and another girl that was closer to her told her she couldn't sit with me because "he don't look good". What do you say or do when things like that happen to you? I didn't learn to defend myself until later in life, and I'm sure the severity of these instances are what caused the delay.

I ended up retreating into myself and filling myself with fears and insecurities that have never really gone away. I stopped volunteering to answer questions in class (I started doubting if I knew the right answers), I read books during recess and lunch (even during class!), etc. I basically turned into what psychologists call a "slow-to-warm-up learner" because I became so hesitant stepping into the unfamiliar. My grades dropped severely too.

I'm still quite hesitant to be friends with new people.

I am currently experiencing some anxiety about the school year. I am an RA and I was (unfortunately) assigned to the Freshmen Boys hall. Honestly, I am even more hesitant about being friends with any male because I'm gay. I have also had people I thought were friends act differently around me as soon as they found out I was gay. Being on a hall full of guys really fuels my fear of unexpected negative reactions. However, I am determined to face this challenge as just that... a challenge. A test to see if I am going to really let all of the people who didn't like me in the past hold me back. The more I challenge myself like this, the more esteemed and confident I become. Sometimes I envy people with an inflated ego. It is amazing to me that some people can be so confident in themselves, even though I know it essentially is a negative thing when it comes to their relations to other people.

All of this makes me think of Karen Horney's theory about Neurosis. It comes in three flavors: 1) Moving Toward Others 2) Moving Away From Others 3) Moving Against Others. Moving towards people is normally characterized as "The need for affection and approval; pleasing others and being liked by them.".

I try my best to be less sensitive to these kinds of social fears. I actually force myself to be involved with things that require a lot of social interaction as it makes me more desensitized. Examples of this: joined clubs and ran for officer positions, joined theater, became an RA, only worked jobs that require some form of customer service, volunteer for things in class, and the list goes on. Every one of these situations mark times when I was able to release my grip on my insecurities and fears... even if it was just a little, it was noticeable.
 

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My parents used to verbally fight a lot over the smallest things. They were of course fighting with each other, but sometimes the fights would stem from me. I didn't really realize at the time that they were just wanting to fight with each other, and that I was just the excuse, not the real reason. Sometimes I would just ask for my week's worth of lunch money, and my parents would find some way to fight about that ("I gave him lunch money last week. It's your turn!" etc.). It got to the point where I was afraid to ask for things when they were in the room together. The spontaneity of their fights scared the hell out of me. I think that's one of the reasons I became so sensitive to negative reactions and tension, and now I have learned how to defuse it quickly.

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My parents were the same way when I was growing up. When they got divorced, it only got worse. Every purchase that would require them to work together & both pitch in money ended up with me talking between the two of them and a screaming match between them once they finally talked face to face. I have a deep fear of asking my parents for anything financial and blamed myself a lot for their fights since *I* was the one who needed school clothes...

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I can relate.
 

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wow it's amazing to me that so many people navigate life in this way. i can honestly say this is the most relevant thread to my life out of anything i've seen on this site. (i literally dropped my jaw when i read the OP, especially the comment about therapy.)

i've been thinking about this for days now. i think i have a lot more to say, but i have to process a bit more.

thanks edahn.

p.s. a lot of people have brought this up already -- i'd like to agree that being in a job situation where people are guaranteed not to like you is quite helpful. the intensity of this problem in my life has definitely decreased from working in food service :). but i still find myself looking to my coworkers for approval in an angry-customer situation.

notice how everyone with this problem is an Fe user? (sorry edahn, i just couldn't help it. hah)
 

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I've spent my introverted time analyzing these types of social interactions and misunderstandings. I have come to realize that when you offer people a blank slate, they paint their fears on it.

This explains a lot. Never thought of it that way.

It's like, in a strange way I'm covertly patronizing to most people I meet. I may even consciously recognize that others are painting their fears onto me, but even this realization does not stop me from looking at others as "children" in the midst of an overreaction, that I need to be "responsible" for by not showing my own emotions/reactions.

Even if I haven't consciously thought about them projecting on me, I have done this also. For me it feels like, if I don't keep myself in check, no one will and it's going chaotic. Sometimes it might seem like I don't care, but it is just me trying to maintain at least some level of prudence.

The flammable child-parent relationship sound way too familiar to me too...
 

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wow it's amazing to me that so many people navigate life in this way. i can honestly say this is the most relevant thread to my life out of anything i've seen on this site. (i literally dropped my jaw when i read the OP, especially the comment about therapy.)

i've been thinking about this for days now. i think i have a lot more to say, but i have to process a bit more.

thanks edahn.

Freaky. You keep writing what I'm thinking, but with better words than I can come up with.

Agreed. I'm still processing various insights from this thread. I was somewhat concious of some of this, but I've been able to articulate it more. Named fears/insecurities are easier to deal with than when they're hiding and pulling the strings without you realising.

p.s. a lot of people have brought this up already -- i'd like to agree that being in a job situation where people are guaranteed not to like you is quite helpful. the intensity of this problem in my life has definitely decreased from working in food service :). but i still find myself looking to my coworkers for approval in an angry-customer situation.

I had to go to a meeting last week when I was the focus for most of it, with most of the reactions ranging from lukewarm to outright hostile. I had to keep stopping myself going with the impulse to be liked - that wasn't the purpose of the meeting. So, I was juggling negotiating, defusing, doing conflict resolution and and having to follow complex technical discussions while also having to watch my own emotional reactions objectively and let them wash over me, instead of giving in to them. No wonder I was exhausted by the end of the day...

Anyway, that was my roundabout way of agreeing that desensitising while being concious of reactions and the motivations behind them are the way through it.

(I'm a bit drunk while writing this, hopefully this isn't too garbled)
 

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Benevolence? Not that there's anything wrong with analyzing shades of motive, but are you really as hard on yourself about this as you sound? Be realistic. It's not all greed for approval.

Teach her how to laugh at her situation without feeling embarrassed.

:blush:

See yourself doing it and laugh?
 

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I'm thinking about the five love languages right now. If you feel like nobody likes you, that's a lie. People do like you, it's possible that they're just not speaking your language.

If you speak using acts of service and they are speaking to you using quality time, you probably won't even notice that they are befriending you by sitting and talking to you. You will just notice that they aren't doing anything for you, and your relationship will suffer.

Learn how to make them feel liked, and then bring up how they could make you feel liked. Explain everything to them if need be. If they like you, they will readily try.
 

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when someone reject me in an obvious way i would go and sit down and talk to them directly about what's going on.

anything can change, but for worse or for better, its the choices you have to make
 

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when someone reject me in an obvious way i would go and sit down and talk to them directly about what's going on.

anything can change, but for worse or for better, its the choices you have to make
I really admire the way ENTP type typically face problems this way. I am the opposite, and it's not a very helpful method!
 

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Well, I've posted not much more than fluff on this site, including my severely lacking introduction. So this post will double as a re-introduction. You may want to get a snack, or just ignore this post completely. There's a life story coming up. Apologies in advance.

I could really relate to wedekit's story. My parents would fight all the time over fairly stupid things. Sometimes it would get violent. My father was an alcoholic and was verbally abusive towards me. They separated a few times and got back together. My mother even started divorce proceedings once, but then cancelled them.

I eventually got sick of it all and purposefully picked a fight with my father. I kept him distracted and told my mother to call the police. After this they separated again.

During the separation my mother met a man she loved, then started divorce proceedings again. My father found out about this and went to harass and threaten him. This man's ex-wife also found out about this and began wooing him back. They eventually re-married. My mother was devastated.

The divorce proceedings went through this time. My father argued that my mother was seeing someone during the separation, but before the actual divorce proceedings and that this should be considered an affair. He won the case and got away without having to pay alimony and having to pay little child support.

At this point my mother had a breakdown, lost her job and had trouble holding any subsequent jobs. My brother began acting more and more erratic and eventually got involved with drugs. During this time we all had fairly angry and violent outbursts. The violence wasn't directed at each other, but at dishes and walls. I was the first to overcome this, then my mother. My brother was still punching holes in walls before he was sent to prison about a year ago. I think that's because his drug of choice was methamphetamine.

That was when the verbal abuse from my mother began. She'd often compare me to the men she's hated in her life. She'd sometimes compare me to my father's sister. My aunt had managed to make a pretty decent life for herself. "Perfect" in my mothers eyes, so she blamed all my father's problems on her. My brother, she'd compare to my father.

I think this was because I was the least visibly affected by all this. But my problems were social and mostly manifested at school.

I was teased and bullied early on in school. In second grade a kid would sit behind me on the bus and pull my hair. This is when I began my habit of sitting in the very last seat on the bus. Even so, one time he managed to get my shoe somehow for a game of "keep away." The teasing continued in various forms up until about the middle of 9th grade.

Around that time I discovered how to project what I would call an aura of intimidation. I would say it was the kind of vibe that goth kids were going for, except I didn't need the black nail polish, piercings and mascara. In fact, this actually worked at keeping people from messing with me rather than just provoking more of the laughter and teasing that was usually directed at the goths. Since then I've learned how to get the opposite effect and have gotten comments like, "You're one of the quietest people I've ever met, but I feel strangely comfortable with you," a few times.

Early 10th grade is when my problems at home were beginning to get at their worst and my social anxiety began to become unbearable. I began cutting school and the frequency would increase as the year went on. This would reinforce itself. I would feel embarrassed over the number of days I've missed, and so I wouldn't want to go to school. I dropped out early in 11th grade. I finished school through independent study.

May, 1999. I would be finishing 11th grade if I had went. My mother hasn't held a job in a while. My brother and I are behaving like delinquents, although he hasn't gotten involved with drugs yet. The rent is due. We end up using the last of our money to take a Grayhound bus across country to stay with my grandmother.

From that time until about a year and a half ago, I spent most of my time to myself. I've held jobs, they were in IT except for one brief period in 2003/2004 when I worked at a Subway. I left Subway for another IT job, even though I knew I needed to social experience and wanted to stay (that's another story). I tried college a couple of times, but my anxiety wouldn't allow me to focus. People still tell me I should go to school, but I've already decided that's not my path.

Last year I met a guy who got me involved organizing a Powwow in Northridge (Nov. 29th this year at CSUN by the way) and I've since gotten involved with other activist organizations. I've even started an activism project of my own.

Well, on to the topic! When I'm concerned about people liking me I tend to want to be exciting, witty and spontaneous. I usually end up failing at this, embarassing myself and offending others, or focusing so intently on this that I make myself a nervous wreck and still can't think of anything to say. I guess if I could pinpoint my anxiety it's that I'm afraid I'm boring.
 
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