And that's why it pisses me off. Belligerent cynicism? (Nice insult by the way)
Case in point. That was not meant as an insult. It's how I perceived you. Certainly you have claimed to perceive me in some very negative ways; should I take your perception of me as such as insulting? Or just insulting in how you have chosen to interact with me?
IOW, just take it as, "If Jenny gave me indirect shit in the political thread, then maybe she was perceiving some really negative things underlying my approach. Kind of like how I'm feeling insulted by her approach."
I didn't even know I was coming off that way to you. And I certainly was not motivated by that or trying to be that way. I would have conceded anything you would have provided to show I was being ignorant (and I did before I realized you weren't even listening to me),
I did listen more than you seemed to have picked up, but maybe that did not come across. I thought it had. Sorry.
As I've stated in other political discussion over time, I'm more of a centrist who ended up support democrats in the last few years, and I'm really tired of the kind of cynical attitudes I've heard off Fox News and all that kind of shit. When someone approaches a conversation with a similar negativity, my first response can be, "Oh, god, not THIS again." Sorry my recall is off, so I no longer remember the details of that conversation, but I felt as if you had come into that conversation with an already-determined view and were just fishing for information to support it, while pretending to ask questions. So my response at core was negative; that happens to be one of my pet values.
but it's so hard to talk about anything when the first reaction people have is to deny that I know anything at all and then create some idea of my motivations. I can be over-zealous when I'm concerned, especially if people won't listen; perhaps then, if I'm to be misreading you, you can misread me.
It sounds like I did. I'm sorry if I did. I get stressed during political season anyway.
I don't know why this is such a hard thing for people communicate without making things into a competition. That's not what I want, but I'm done. Guard's up and it's staying that way.
You don't need to let your guard down, but I appreciate you explaining
I didn't even call you a cunt. I used the word IF.
I will concede that point; but to me, that's just how people play the game and everyone really knows what is being said. I've seen it time and again on the forum -- someone who just adheres to the letter of the rule to escape discipline, while meanwhile obviously still saying what they think of the other person.
Now unless that means you admit to liking to provoke people as you encourage provocative ideas that provoke people, then yeah, you could say I was, but it still doesn't make it an insult because I'm telling you what I consider a cunt and using it that way. You guys and yours words man, it's the meaning intended behind them that matters, not some vague label of "insult".
Step back and look at it big picture for a moment... was there any reason to drag the word "cunt" into that discussion AT ALL? Aside from you being pissed and thinking in your head that I was being a major cunt? It's not a word that gets tossed in, and never even had to be. It's just a provocation.
That was the meaning behind your words that I perceived.
And same thing for "piece of shit". Telling someone they freaked out is pretty insulting and I you got how I felt about you for that, but since we're only going by Queen Ivy's declarations, I guess you're off the hook.
I guess I see a different between saying someone freaked out (because that's a quantifiable thing -- you can watch someone freak out), and simply tossing out an insulting like "piece of shit." You seem to personalize a lot more than I do, just by your nature. (No judgment, just stating what seems clear to me.) Believe it or not, the insults HALF roll off my back... on some level it bugs me to hear words like that tossed at me, but I was more annoyed at the thought that the rules might be inconsistently applied, and we have these rules that are not enforced well. That really bugs me. If I was on a forum where there are no such rules, I would have probably just ignored the comments altogether.
Yeah, and what are YOU smiling at, Mr. Tardypants??
If you want to play, you need to come earlier next time.
