Sensor Bias at MBTIc

[Wandering]

My sister who was the best friend to everyone and did everything right was an ESFJ, and that is what I would be if I could.

Stop that ! I already said I'd want to be an ESFJ if I could!

But at least, *I* didn't marry a Sensor ...

 

[Xander]

I know an ESFP (she is borderline ENFP but much too S for that). Now she's a real fascinating brain. Very deep thinker, into psychology and yet as ditsy as anything. Great fun whether it's a party or sharing a cuppa and a natter.

Sensors aren't fools, they just struggle to follow the intuitives "flow" sometimes. I have to wonder if they are more foolish for not being able to comprehend or if we are for being incomprehensible. Certainly many people, mostly intuitives, have had a pop at me at one point or another for being incomprehensible. I wonder how such people would react if I simply inferred that they were not clever enough to understand me?

 

[Seanan]

Sensors aren't fools, they just struggle to follow the intuitives "flow" sometimes. I have to wonder if they are more foolish for not being able to comprehend or if we are for being incomprehensible. Certainly many people, mostly intuitives, have had a pop at me at one point or another for being incomprehensible. I wonder how such people would react if I simply inferred that they were not clever enough to understand me?

I suspect I married one and I wouldn't do that if I were you. And I can tell you.. the problem is NOT ME being incomprehensible... boy, the stories I could tell.

 

[proteanmix]

Sensors aren't fools, they just struggle to follow the intuitives "flow" sometimes. I have to wonder if they are more foolish for not being able to comprehend or if we are for being incomprehensible. Certainly many people, mostly intuitives, have had a pop at me at one point or another for being incomprehensible. I wonder how such people would react if I simply inferred that they were not clever enough to understand me?

PRIME EXAMPLE OF TYPE BIAS

Where do you place the onus of responsibility on being understood? Why do you say, they don't understand you, when it could very well be you don't understand them, or better yet, both parties could be completely missing each other with neither being more responsible than the other?

This is that attitude I was just talking about, smug certainty that what you're saying is Right and True and easily comprehended.

 

[Journey]

My experience with sensors and them "not understanding" me when I get on an intuitive topic is based on their always ignoring me and changing the subject. What are other intuitives experiences????

And yes, Wandering, he's my very own sensor and I love him

 

[white]

whatever's still whatever, no matter what the type. The person who brought much spark to the forum. Well, to me at least.

It is good that your Se is well balanced, I'm still trying to develop my Se, Si, and Fi well enough.

Ideally, one should be able to use all functions comfortably as we grow and mature, isn't it.

I should've guessed it as I've never really had a close friendship with any sensor types, barring ISFJs actually. They tend to get irritated/bemused by the Ne and prefer more concreteness from me, while I have to make a conscious effort to be more to the point/literal, which I'm still not able to do when tired. So the friendships seldom progress deeper, but not for want of effort.

Just part of understanding. A person is more than the type isn't it? Our responses show more about us than about her.

 

[Xander]

PRIME EXAMPLE OF TYPE BIAS

Where do you place the onus of responsibility on being understood? Why do you say, they don't understand you, when it could very well be you don't understand them, or better yet, both parties could be completely missing each other with neither being more responsible than the other?

This is that attitude I was just talking about, smug certainty that what you're saying is Right and True and easily comprehended.

So you assume to understand what I meant by "flow" and then subjected me to the purging fires? Bravo. It's nice to have someone ready on the trigger but may I suggest or appeal for a little more moderation and a little less itchy trigger finger?

 

[Nocapszy]

I still sense some bias against Sensors around here- nobody seems to want to be one for instance- so can you please tell me why?

Well I think the common reason is because of the language associated with either side. Sensors are described almost everywhere as narrow because they can only *see* their own point of view. Stuff like that. Also, whether we want to accept this or not, intuition is correlated with intelligence. Sorry sensors, but I'm going to have to claim to be the arbiter here. It's true.

Still, there are plenty of dumbass intuitives. Michael Scott for example.

There are plenty of smart sensors. It's just that the chances are, if you're intuitive, you're smarter.

Would you have acted any differently towards me if I had joined as an ENTP?

No 'cause I knew you were N anyway from the start. I may have tried to use more concrete analogies, or none at all, but I wouldn't assume you could handle fewer points or would shoo you away just 'cause "it's too sophisticated for a sensor".

people were catching onto me so I had to come out of the closet

First to figure it out.

*shakes fists over head in victory*

 

[disregard]

Sensors are looking for different information than intuitives. They work with a different currency.. So it is unfair to say they struggle with grasping intuitive concepts while omitting the other half of the picture, where you fail to exchange your thoughts and ideas into their currency.

 

[disregard]

I don't even recall having difficulty getting a sensor to understand what I was saying before. If anything, it's a differing of interests.

 

[Nocapszy]

Sensors are looking for different information than intuitives. They work with a different currency.. So it is unfair to say they struggle with grasping intuitive concepts while omitting the other half of the picture, where you fail to exchange your thoughts and ideas into their currency.

We all use the same information. The difference is, intuitives string the data together, and sensors don't.

You can be a bad intuitive and string one piece of data to something else that isn't connected. Again, I say look at Michael Scott.

 

[disregard]

I am a bad intuitive. I need to be swatted with a newspaper for some of the conclusions I draw.

 

[Tigerlily]

I am a bad intuitive. I need to be swatted with a newspaper for some of the conclusions I draw.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Not all types can be as perfect as the INFJ.;P

 

[disregard]

Sorry, I let my faux modesty out of its cage. Get back here, I say!

 

[pure_mercury]

We all use the same information. The difference is, intuitives string the data together, and sensors don't.

You can be a bad intuitive and string one piece of data to something else that isn't connected. Again, I say look at Michael Scott.

This sounds pretty self-serving to me, I must say. Wouldn't it be possible that there is no pattern whatsoever, and an intuitive sees one that isn't there, whereas a sensor would in fact be more accurate just determining the accuracy/validity of the information? Wouldn't that be more "intelligent" than a mental process that was flawed to begin with? I don't think that your assertion that intuition correlates with intelligence holds water.

 

[Journey]

Dana, I agree with you that I experience the difference as a differing of interests although I know it is more like the currency analogy.

 

[Xander]

This sounds pretty self-serving to me, I must say. Wouldn't it be possible that there is no pattern whatsoever, and an intuitive sees one that isn't there, whereas a sensor would in fact be more accurate just determining the accuracy/validity of the information? Wouldn't that be more "intelligent" than a mental process that was flawed to begin with? I don't think that your assertion that intuition correlates with intelligence holds water.

Sensors, to my mind, seem to "ground" their thinking better. It's done in reference to a central point/ theory or has a foundation of thinking underneath it. Intuitives build castles on sand. We may be good or bad architects but we could still use a little insight from those who know about solid foundations and equally vice versa. After all our areas of comfort may be different but we're both trying to build a frickin house are we not?

Anyhow if you specialist in intuition then you second in sensor and vice versa. The whole bias is daft. There are trends just as there are between men and women but applying such trends as rules is ridiculous in the face of contrary evidence.

 

["?"]

Not sure what you are up to “Whatever”, but it was indicated some time ago in this thread that you were not ESTP.

I think it has been known for years that the proposed biasness stems from peoples ignorance of type system in general, not because those preferring intuition are. There is no indication that any particular function, type or anything is more or less rare than another. I am still waiting for someone to refer me to statistics showing intuitives to be rarer by anything other than a simple dichotomy. Since each dichotomy represents a number of type functions (i.e. E= Ne, Se, Te, Fe and I=Ni, Si, Ti, Fi) then you can't determine rarity.

Also I think most true SP and possibly SJ types do not want to be anything other than what they are. Only intuitives seem to have some self-aggrandizement that it's more special to be N. After four years on the forums and an additional three on the Yahoo boards, I have yet to see it, and to make some claim doesn't make you so, it only shows the superfluous need to believe one is special.

So again making the claim of ESTP seemed meaningless since, if truth be known, at least the SPs who observed you knew that you were not when you created the above-referenced thread. This is not a slam against you and I think that most SPs are proud of who they are so any biasness is illusive laced with ignorance in knowing the system.

 

[pure_mercury]

Sensors, to my mind, seem to "ground" their thinking better. It's done in reference to a central point/ theory or has a foundation of thinking underneath it. Intuitives build castles on sand. We may be good or bad architects but we could still use a little insight from those who know about solid foundations and equally vice versa. After all our areas of comfort may be different but we're both trying to build a frickin house are we not?

Anyhow if you specialist in intuition then you second in sensor and vice versa. The whole bias is daft. There are trends just as there are between men and women but applying such trends as rules is ridiculous in the face of contrary evidence.

I agree. I mean, I'd at least LIKE to believe that I understand things conceptually and that I use data to reach abstract conclusions. I just happen not to be doing that at all times. I would never argue, for instance, that intuitive people are ignorant of plain facts in front of them. That would be ludicrous.

 

[Wandering]

I would never argue, for instance, that intuitive people are ignorant of plain facts in front of them. That would be ludicrous.

And yet...

The other day, for example, I wanted to go shopping. For that, I need two things:
1- a bag
2- my wallet.
Usually, my wallet is in the backpack, so that's two searches completed in one go. So I went looking for the backpack. Went around the flat once - no backpack. Stopped, thought about it. Nope, couldn't remember leaving it anywhere special. Went around the flat a second time, paying special attention. Still no backpack. By then, I was starting to suspect that my husband had taken it. So I tried calling him on the phone, but he didn't answer. Then I thought a bit more about it: if he'd taken the backpack, he would have noticed my wallet, and he would have taken it out and left it somewhere for me to find. So I went a third time around the flat, looking for my wallet this time. And sure enough, I found it in two seconds flat, waiting for me in full view on the kitcken counter But I hadn't been looking for it, so I didn't "see" it. Classic. Wanna bet that a Sensor would have noticed it right away ?