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Asperger Syndrome, Autism, and MBTIc: a questionnaire

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With my roller coaster designs, for example, I tend to be dissatisfied with them and wish to go back into the simulator to perfect what I wasn't happy with. But I think the mindset is different. The J wants things to be just right, but coupled with their N preference, there is a sort of contradiction that is always seeking to change things. The NJ will likely see more mistakes and want to go back and fix them, because they are more dissatisfied with what they feel is an unfinished product.

NP writers seem to be better at creating metaphorical language and symbolism than NJs, too. I would expect that NJ language would be a sort of pouring of their imaginary conceptions that become concrete to the observer. So from the NJ's viewpoint, they are abstract in their thinking. But because of their J preference, or their inferior Se, if you will, they tend to want to express it in a very concrete manner.
 

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1. Are you on the autistic spectrum? (if so, please list your MBTI type)

No

2. If not officially diagnosed, have you ever thought that it was likely that you might be on the autistic spectrum?

Never seriously

3. If either one or both of the previous questions apply to you, how would you describe your autism (or in the case of the second question, possible autism) in relation to your life? How would you describe your condition? How is your life affected by it, if at all? How do you perceive non-autists?

N/A

4. This question is for everyone, whether on the spectrum or not: How many people with an autistic spectrum disorder do you personally know personally? How severe is it? If possible, what do you think the would be the MBTI type of the person?

I know an Aspie. He's functional, but very quirky, and has some eccentric ideas. He's also pretty affable and will talk to (more like "talk at") anyone who isn't perceived as a threat. Not sure about MBTI type.

5. If you are NOT on the autistic spectrum, how would you personally describe autism and how you perceive it?

I think it's pretty intense. In a different society, some people on the autistic spectrum might be considered more normal than in this society.

6. For everyone: What do you think is the cause of autism? Do you think that it is, in fact, a disorder, or rather a difference in brain structure? Do you think there should be a cure? What is your opinion of the neurodiversity movement?

I think autism originates in the "software," not the "hardware," but that's just a guess. I don't know how it originates. I do not think that a cure would be necessary or desirable, but I do think we should attempt to teach social skills to the ones who want to lead normal lives. I've never heard of the neurodiversity movement.

7. If you are on the autistic spectrum, what anecdotes do you have that are particularly revealing of your condition, or related to it? i.e. are there any particular moments where your condition has resulted in a comic situation? A sad/tragic situation? A particular situation where it has been a burden? A blessing? Any notable anecdotes related to you being on the spectrum are welcome.

N/A

8. Same as the above, accept for non-autists. Any notable situations that you can recall where the subject of autism or an autistic individual was prominent?

The Aspie guy I knew was particularly adept at describing astronomy-related concepts with great enthusiasm. One night he described the star Betelgeuse in great detail to me, and it was pretty enthralling. However, his social skills were very limited, and when he often found himself with a strong attraction to some girl, he didn't know what to do. He also had a limited sense of his own body and personal space, and so would sometimes get much closer to you than you desired. My Adviser would yell at him for this.

9. If you are an autist, are there any relatives of yours that you suspect of being on the spectrum?

N/A

10. Please fill mark the the option that applies to you in the poll attached to this thread.
 

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wildcat! you're here! :hug:

If an interpretation is needed: ;)

Wildcat's point is that an autistic person, (possible likely, a savant) is likely to be a P, which is why he needs the external structure.

Because the MBTI types the personality: hence, someone who is totally P, especially in thoughts--which an autistic person would be, since their world is internal--would need a very structured and ordered routine outside. Because all of the energy is going within on the disordered thoughts, so outside disturbances have to be eliminated, things have to be streamlined and kept as simple and predictable as possible.

right, wildcat? :huh:

:) right :)
 

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I think as far as MBTI types, now that I have thought more about it -- it's like mentally they deal from an NT perspective, but behaviorally they operate in ST mode. Does that make sense? That's why I keep getting mixed reads.
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That's how I see it, too.
 

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wildcat! you're here! :hug:

If an interpretation is needed: ;)

Wildcat's point is that an autistic person, (possible likely, a savant) is likely to be a P, which is why he needs the external structure.

Because the MBTI types the personality: hence, someone who is totally P, especially in thoughts--which an autistic person would be, since their world is internal--would need a very structured and ordered routine outside. Because all of the energy is going within on the disordered thoughts, so outside disturbances have to be eliminated, things have to be streamlined and kept as simple and predictable as possible.

right, wildcat? :huh:
I have always felt that this is the way I am. If my surroundings are too confusing, I can feel confused internally. Does that mean I may be autistic?
I thought it was an INTJ thing.
 

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I have always felt that this is the way I am. If my surroundings are too confusing, I can feel confused internally. Does that mean I may be autistic?
I thought it was an INTJ thing.

Autism exists as a spectrum. That's why the full name is autism spectrum disorder. There are high functioning autists, including the autistic savants--always an intrigue to me, as they will specialise in one of the intuitive art/sciences: music, maths, language or art--all the way to the severely handicapped.

May not be autism. May simply be introversion. I get very nervy in and around crowds, loud noises, lights and disturbances too. (although, i have always kind of suspected I had asperger's. But I have a twin, and so, if she's fine, that means i'm fine, too. So i'm just socially awkward. :cry: )

There was a test here some time ago; i can't remember which thread...you can take it and test for the likelihood of receiving an autistic reading?

Edit: found it. Thanks to uber. Aspie-quiz
 

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"Quenck says inferior extraverted sensing brings "... an adversarial attitude toward the outer world":

"Dealing with details, especially in an unfamiliar environment, can trigger inferior extraverted sensing in introverted intuitive ... Unexpected events that interrupt planned activities can also (be unsettling)... "
Conscious Type Development


Adversarial Attitude Toward the Outer World

Effective dominant Extraverted Sensing types approach the outer world with eager anticipation of all the wonderful experiences awaiting them. For introverted Intuitive types in the grip of inferior Extraverted Sensing, the immediate reality of the outer world spells difficulty and danger. They expect obstacles and problems to plague them as they move through a strange and potentially hostile environment.

Their hypersensitivity to potentially dangerous surroundings can promote uneasiness about people as well. "I can have negative forebodings and feel that people are against me," said an INTJ. An INFJ said she "becomes suspicious. Usually I'm tolerant, curious, and compassionate, so 'out of character' for me means I'm unaccepting and frustrated with the world."

An INTJ said, "I start tripping over things and feel out of control in the external world. I feel like I'm under a dark cloud. I get hung up on some false fact and distort it. I get stressed out about time--too many things and not enough time. I attack others with words and then feel guilty." An INFJ described herself as "shutting down, communicating very little. I misplace things, especially keys and watches. I'm very harsh, critical, not diplomatic. I lose my temper, obsess about details, organize, reorganize, yet nothing gets done."

Anticipating the worst can often elicit anger and blame in INTJs and INFJs. "I'm moody and gloomy, with sudden deep anger," said an INTJ. An INFJ also describes experiencing deep anger: "I am emotionally aroused and am terribly critical of others. I accuse people of never helping me. I become dogmatic and blast people with facts. If no one is around to attack, I write a scathing letter to someone." Another said, "I internally check off all the events that happened leading up to the 'conflict' and then I verbalize this list with a sense that the impeccable logic of it will convince others I am right and I will be vindicated."

The altered state of any inferior function is typically accompanied by a lessening of social controls and therefore more frequent expressions of anger. However, the character of the anger may be different for different types. For INTJs and INFJs the "cause" of distress is often one or more "objects" in the environment. The anger directed at either things or people may therefore be more focused, intense, and extreme than with other inferior functions. Introverted intuitive types may be unable to recognize alternative possibilities so that their perspective becomes extremely narrow. This tunnel vision and externalization of blame can produce ruthless results.

One INTJ said, "I get into verbal raving and am out of control. I regress emotionally and act childish. I feel anxious, exposed, childlike." Another INTJ said, "If I bump my head on a cupboard, I get mad at the world for putting a cupboard there. Others think I'm cursing at myself--but it's really at the inconsideration or stupidity of the cupboard being there." An INFJ observed, "I am angry, unreasonable, totally irrational, closed-minded, and impatient. I feel vulnerable and then become angry at others for it. I can't communicate with anyone. I am hard, callous, unfeeling, and I have not energy to be bothered with anyone else."


I have experienced these things many times.
 

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I have always felt that this is the way I am. If my surroundings are too confusing, I can feel confused internally. Does that mean I may be autistic?
I thought it was an INTJ thing.

I tend to think mildly autistic behavior (Asperger's) is the INTx type (with a grain of salt, naturally). Behaviorally, they seem like SJs on a superficial level because of their desire for structure. At an early age, the INTJ types are reported to stubbornly resist playing with other children. The repetitive motor behaviors and outbursts of rage frequently observed in autistics is, I hypothesize, due to an inferior Se function.

The ISTJ would more likely escape a diagnosis because their academic and behavioral performance is acceptable in the school environment. Theoretically, stressed ISTJs tend to develop a miserly, pessimistic, and passive-aggressive attitude -- exercising of their inferior Ne in a negative fashion. Stressed INTJs get caught in the moment, engaging in excessive physical pleasures, such as eating, drinking, or yelling -- exercising of their inferior Se function in a negative fashion.

Also, the ISTJ and INTJ's respective inferior functions are also used to satisfy their dominant. The ISTJ can use Ne to maintain an Si illusion that "everything is fine," the INTJ will use Se to maintain Ni's world of conceptual fancy, such as by repetitive motor acts.

I believe Wildcat or someone else posted a link to an Aspie forum thread a while back that recorded MBTI types. They were overwhelmingly INTJ, followed by INTP. A bit farther behind, but the next most popular set, were ISTJ and ISTP. And I'm not entirely sure, but I think INFJ may have ranked higher than ISTJ and ISTP.

EDIT: The link that elfinchilde gave was what I found at INTJ Forum. And the majority of the people who scored high on it there were INTJs, while the ST types scored significantly lower.
 

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Edit: found it. Thanks to uber. Aspie-quiz
I took that quiz.
My results:

Your neurodiversity (Aspie) score: 131 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 80 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie (neurodiverse)


I scored pretty high in Social phobia and Bipolar,
but a lot of the questions are like MBTI questions:
compared to who?
 

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I took that quiz.
My results:

Your neurodiversity (Aspie) score: 131 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 80 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie (neurodiverse)


I scored pretty high in Social phobia and Bipolar,
but a lot of the questions are like MBTI questions:
compared to who?

I would need to see the mindweb thing that they show? Your non aspie score is actually quite high. May simply be very introverted, which leads to anxiety in crowds and unfamiliar situations, and hence appearing as bipolar. (does this sound familiar to you?) . but i'm bipolar myself, so there is actually quite a big difference.

am not sure compared to who, actually. the sample test population i presume. although, there may then be some who'd skew the results on purpose. plus, if it was pure online (?), then only those who suspect they are autistic would take it, isn't it?
 

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I would need to see the mindweb thing that they show? Your non aspie score is actually quite high. May simply be very introverted, which leads to anxiety in crowds and unfamiliar situations, and hence appearing as bipolar. (does this sound familiar to you?) . but i'm bipolar myself, so there is actually quite a big difference.

am not sure compared to who, actually. the sample test population i presume. although, there may then be some who'd skew the results on purpose. plus, if it was pure online (?), then only those who suspect they are autistic would take it, isn't it?
There was one question about screening a potential spouse like normal people. I wasn't sure what to answer. No, I didn't do it like normal people, I did it much worse than normal people! But if I say no, do they think I mean I didn't screen my potential mates?

There was another one or two questions I had a similar dilemma on.

We may have gotten too far off track. Sorry Merkw. :hug:

This is a very interesting subject. :blush:
 

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Your neurodiversity (Aspie) score: 82 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 133 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical

Social phobia 123 You will probably be able to receive the diagnosis
Bipolar 92 This isn't a primary diagnosis you should seek
ADD/ADHD (Attention Deficit Disorder) 84 This isn't a primary diagnosis you should seek
OCD 53 This isn't a primary diagnosis you should seek
Dyslexia 29 This isn't a primary diagnosis you should seek
Asperger/HFA/PDD 29 This isn't a primary diagnosis you should seek

I understand the questions all operated in conjunction with each other (i.e., none really stand alone to designate asperger's, they have to be looked at as a whole)... but some were broad enough to apply to many, many different (and often normal) human behaviors and probably apply to some degree to most human beings regardless of condition or type.
 

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1. Are you on the autistic spectrum? (if so, please list your MBTI type)
No, what I know of.

2. If not officially diagnosed, have you ever thought that it was likely that you might be on the autistic spectrum?
Yes, many times but it is most likely extreme INTPness. Coming to think of it, that test the other week said I very likely had Autism.

3. If either one or both of the previous questions apply to you, how would you describe your autism (or in the case of the second question, possible autism) in relation to your life? How would you describe your condition? How is your life affected by it, if at all? How do you perceive non-autists?
N/A

4. This question is for everyone, whether on the spectrum or not: How many people with an autistic spectrum disorder do you personally know personally? How severe is it? If possible, what do you think the would be the MBTI type of the person?

I don't think I know anyone with an autistic disorder.


5. If you are NOT on the autistic spectrum, how would you personally describe autism and how you perceive it?

Not sure

6. For everyone: What do you think is the cause of autism? Do you think that it is, in fact, a disorder, or rather a difference in brain structure? Do you think there should be a cure?

The brain is like a chemistry laboratory, no two laboratories are the same, sometimes reactions go wrong in a laboratory and the laboratory catches fire. Then other people throw lots of water to calm the fire, the only problem is it does not solve why the fire happened; it just mask the problem rather than solves it. The same sort of thing happens in the autistic persons.

Do you think there should be a cure?

Depends if the positives of autism outweigh the negatives. For example, if one took the eccentric behaviour from the best artists in the world would they still be the best artists?


7. If you are on the autistic spectrum, what anecdotes do you have that are particularly revealing of your condition, or related to it? i.e. are there any particular moments where your condition has resulted in a comic situation? A sad/tragic situation? A particular situation where it has been a burden? A blessing? Any notable anecdotes related to you being on the spectrum are welcome.

N/A

8. Same as the above, accept for non-autists. Any notable situations that you can recall where the subject of autism or an autistic individual was prominent?

Not really.

9. If you are an autist, are there any relatives of yours that you suspect of being on the spectrum?
N/A

10. Please fill mark the the option that applies to you in the poll attached to this thread.

Done.
 

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Substitute mentioned his daughter has Asperger's and I think he said she's an ENTP.
 

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Substitute mentioned his daughter has Asperger's and I think he said she's an ENTP.

A question for you, Uber.

Recently, I have been wondering as to whether it is likely that I am on the very high end (as in extremely high-functioning) of the autistic spectrum.

Being diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome yourself, how would you go about in determining this? Are there any specific question that you can think of that would help determining this for me? Any specific tests that you would recommend?
 

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Being diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome yourself, how would you go about in determining this? Are there any specific question that you can think of that would help determining this for me? Any specific tests that you would recommend?

I'd probably ask a medical professional about it, because I'm not really familiar with the procedures.

I was diagnosed with ADD first in about the 3rd grade, and then it switched to autism, and finally, in the 6th grade, I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. It mostly came about when I wasn't doing well academically and I wasn't fitting in socially. I was a frequent victim of bullying and I also did provocative things to get attention from my peers.

I think I became diagnosed with Asperger's when I spent a few weeks in a mental health institute (PC term for asylum) after threatening to kill myself.

But the best advice I have to offer is to talk with a psychiatrist.
 

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I'd probably ask a medical professional about it, because I'm not really familiar with the procedures.

I was diagnosed with ADD first in about the 3rd grade, and then it switched to autism, and finally, in the 6th grade, I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. It mostly came about when I wasn't doing well academically and I wasn't fitting in socially. I was a frequent victim of bullying and I also did provocative things to get attention from my peers.

I think I became diagnosed with Asperger's when I spent a few weeks in a mental health institute (PC term for asylum) after threatening to kill myself.

But the best advice I have to offer is to talk with a psychiatrist.

Hm. I think I might get around to that sometime. In the mean time, are there any particularly good online tests?
 

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Hm. I think I might get around to that sometime. In the mean time, are there any particularly good online tests?

Aside from the link posted by elfinchilde, no. But that said online test is good, if only because it has a really professional-looking graph.
 
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