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    ⒺⓉⒷ Eric B's Avatar
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    Default Types as Neurological Binary codes

    The hypothesis is that the factors of temperament are the root of personality through neurological elements, rather than the cognitive processes, which themselves are believed to have a neurological basis.

    It's all about a person's stimulatability.
    We can make 1 a need for more stimulation, and 0 a need for less stimulation.

    There are two dimensions of stimulatability.
    How much one is willing to actively move to gain stimuli (e), and how much he wants to passively receive it from others (w).

    If we divide this into the areas of surface social skills (I), leadership and responsibilities (C), and closer personal relationships (A), we will have a six digit binary code.

    xxxxxx (x=variable)

    The values of each digit represent:

    For the 16 types, we only need the first four digits.

    The way it translates into the type factors:
    eI = extraversion (1)/introversion (0)
    wI = informing (1)/directing (0)
    eC = pragmatic (1)/cooperative (0)
    wC = motive (1)/structure (0)

    ISTJ 0000xx
    INFJ 0001xx
    INTJ 0010xx
    ISTP 0011xx
    ISFJ 0100xx
    INFP 0101xx
    INTP 0110xx
    ISFP 0111xx
    ESTJ 1000xx
    ENFJ 1001xx
    ENTJ 1010xx
    ESTP 1011xx
    ESFJ 1100xx
    ENFP 1101xx
    ENTP 1110xx
    ESFP 1111xx

    Temperaments, Interaction Styles
    SJ xx00xx
    NF xx01xx
    NT xx10xx
    SP xx11xx
    Chart the Course 00xxxx
    Behind the Scenes 01xxxx
    In Charge 10xxxx
    Get Things Going 11xxxx

    We now can also map the cognitive functions to this neurological binary, through their common effects on type:

    (Also, Y and Z will indicate that the values must be different from each other, and it can be either way: Y=0, Z=1 or Y=1, Z=0).

    Se xx11xx
    Si xx00xx
    Ne x1YZxx
    Ni x0YZxx
    Te x0x0xx
    Ti xY1Zxx
    Fe xY0Zxx
    Fi x1x1xx

    Looking at it this way, there would be six "switches" in the brain so to speak, determining our personality; with the first four determining our cognitive preferences.
    (It would also further explain why the preferred functions-- the first two determining type --must always be Ji/Pe or Pi/Je alternations. Try to pair two e's or i's; or P with P or J with J, and you will get a conflict in one or two digits).
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    there are way more than six regions in our brains that determine our psychological types. i think that those (mbti/jung)functions are most likely packs of brain regions that like to work together and maybe how sensitively these regions of brains react to different neurotransmitters(and some functions might be more about neurotransmitter related than brain region related). or maybe these different brain regions give different type of approach on things(and therefore cause N to be I or E for example) based on what other brain regions they connect to.

    i dont really understand what you are trying to do with those numbers replacing types if you arent trying to figure out same type of stuff that i wrote about, and if you are, you are ways off and i suggest you to check how brains work in more depth
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
    — C.G. Jung


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    Sorry, but I don't know what you wrote about, or if I did, then I forgot about what exactly you're referring to at the moment. Perhaps rings a bell, though, but not sure.

    After posting, I thought about the notion of the different functions being said to reside in the different hemispheres, and realized I should have pointed out that the function-attitudes as I listed them are perspectives and not the actual "functions" themselves. Type is determined by us preferring two functions, which become our predominant perspective of information gathering and decision-making; and that would be what is determined by the "binary".

    What I'm trying to do is just another way of looking at type and how it relates to neurology, and from a perspective of temperament being more elemental than simple function preference. (After all, the binary values are the temperament factors).
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    This is very interesting.

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    Default Individual function codes

    Still trying to develop this idea, and while I was able to produce codes for the eight function-attitudes, the four original functions by themselves (S, N, T, F) were a bit more difficult. S/N have a definite pattern, but it's T/F that required much more thought.

    S: --XX-- (xx00xx-SJ/Si, xx11xx-SP/Se)
    N: --XY-- (xx01xx-N+F, xx10xx-N+T)

    Again, of the two middle digits; the first is cooperative(0)/pragmatic(1), (which I associated with "expressed control"). The second is Structure(0)/Motive(1), (which would fit "wanted Control").

    These are what I held to be the original temperament factors of delay and sustain in Keirsey's model, just like E/I and directing/informing in the Interaction Styles, and classic temperament theory. Keirsey of course paired Cooperativeness with S/N, and then structure/motive became a cross factor (pairing together opposite temperaments SJ and NT, and SP and NF), later discovered by Berens.

    I think there might be something to this in the brain. The expressive/responsive factors I am using may be connected with stimulatability to the outside world, and thus may have to do with particular regions of the brain. So I could see where having the two areas governing our conative skills with similar levels of stimulatability might make us focus more on concrete or tangible reality, while having them different might make us focus away from the tangible, onto the abstract or conceptual. Don't know exactly how, but I can't help notice that the congruence of one would figure in a person preferring to see what's there, and incongruence would lead one to focus on what is not there.

    T and F were harder to define

    (Omitting the first digit, which is I/E):
    T: 000 (STJ), 010 (NTJ), 011 (STP), 110 (NTP)
    F: 001 (NFJ), 100 (SFJ), 101 (NFP), 111 (SFP)

    It's hard to see a common thread in those numbers.

    Trying different things, what I found is from looking at the "pure" tendencies of the preference:

    T: directive (0--), pragmatic (-1-), structure-focused (--0).
    F: informative (1--) , cooperative (-0-), motive focused (--1).

    The T/F preference will be determined whenever two or three of these digits are matched.

    What made it hard is that I was looking at patterns of 0 and 1, with T leaning towards 0's representing "low wanted' or "task-focus, and F leaning towards 1's representing "high wanted" or people-focus.

    However, T/F also figure in expressed Control, but in a reversed fashion. T will tend towards pragmatism (1), and F towards cooperativeness (0). (This based on the insightful studies of a guy named Roger Bissell).
    From there, I could finally see the pattern, of two out of three determining the preference.

    The "purest" T in this respect would be NTJ (010), directive, pragmatic and structure focused.
    STJ (000), is directive, cooperative and structure focused. STP (011) is directive, pragmatic and motive focused. NTP (110) is informative, pragmatic and structure focused.

    So you look at something like 001, which has these two 0's together, but one of those 0's represents cooperativeness, and the other directiveness, and the single one represents motive focus. So there's only one match to the ideal T leaning, so this falls on the F side (NFJ).
    The most "pure" F in this respect is NFP (101), informative, cooperative, motive. SFP (111) is informative, pragmatic, motive. SFJ (100) is informative, cooperative, structure,

    It also works for J/P (which I discovered first, from noticing the patterns in the 1's and 0's):

    J: 000 (STJ), 001 (NFJ), 010 (NTJ), 100 (SFJ)
    P: 011 (STP), 101 (NFP), 110 (NTP), 111 (SFP)

    The J's clearly favor the 0's, and the P's, the 1's. This I looked for in T/F, but it fit J/P instead.
    J/P are similar to T/F, in the wanted scales, with J favoring 0, and P favoring 1. Yet in cooperative/pragmatic, they are opposite of T/F, with J favoring 0 (cooperative) and P favoring 1 (pragmatic). That actually matches the other two digits, hence, it is more obvious.

    So it's the same principle: two or three out of three.
    STJ (000: directive, cooperative, structure) is the "purest" J in this respect. SFJ (100: informative, cooperative, structure); NFJ (001: directive, cooperative, motive); NTJ (010: directive, pragmatic, structure)
    SFP (111: informative, pragmatic, motive); NFP (101: informative, cooperative, motive); NTP (110: informative, pragmatic, structure); STP (011: directive, pragmatic, motive).

    So again, the point is that if these digits might represent points in the brain (through their stimulatability), then this might show where functional preference might be formed in neurology.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

    Temperament (APS) from scratch -- MBTI Type from scratch
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