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    not to be trusted miss fortune's Avatar
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    hey! playing dumb isn't a game! it's a way of life!
    “The phrase 'Someone ought to do something' was not, by itself, a helpful one. People who used it never added the rider 'and that someone is me'.” - Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    This mentality is exactly why I hate men....You people think you have everything figured out.
    Ok. Right.

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    hey! playing dumb isn't a game! it's a way of life!

    you're special.
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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    Maybe Mr Zimmerman was a fan of Mr Berne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfossr View Post
    I've been thinking this lyric over (from dylan's It's alright Ma) and it continues to interest me because i can't quite get my mind around it. I've found info online about so called social games like guilt trips, reject and retreat, and pretend confusion games, but everyone i talk to thinks its creepy or doesn't understand me . So i figured i'd throw it up here. your thoughts are appreciated

    Don't think twice it's alright
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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    I came to this page when searching for the exact quote of this line for something I was writing.

    Here's a snip of that part:

    I often liken the 'culture' of a fearfully defined self to a botnet. Believing one is free but actually feeding the roots of life denying system that is designed to deny a truly unified consciousness. For identity in fear sees NO benefit and only loss in actually doing to others as one truly would be done by - which is not a vague well intentioned wishfulness, but a clearly discerning sense of what is actually present in any given relational situation.

    Bob Dylan came so close but yet so far in some of his lines:
    "And though the rules of the road have been lodged, Its only people's games you got to dodge".
    This has a level of true because clearly others can be seen to be 'guilting, finessing, manipulating or emotionally blackmailing to coerce others instead of straight asking. But the root that is missed is the presumption it is OTHERS one has to be vigilant against - and not one's OWN mind. It is quite possible to operate insightfully as a subtle manipulator. But it is not possible to be false to another and be honest unto one's self.
    Seeing one's own issues in others is the way we make a world of evils to 'dodge'. Recognizing what is our own can also then release what does not truly belong and that will then allow appreciating and learning from the teaching Jesus illuminated when he said 'who is without sin, let them throw the first stone'.

    It wouldn't flow as a lyric but it is the game of personae (plural) that is to be uncovered, recognized, and not used for the personal will - but released to a Universal Will. That may sound limiting, but the reverse is true. The personal will is the game of dodge, that limits to divide and rule.

    This is a 'deep' answer but shared in free willingness for to be useful or not as each may choose. The addiction to the personal sense is so deep that it is not questioned or challenged (much) - and IS the basis of all the manipulative and coercive misery and fear that denies or 'crucifies' the innocence of joy even when it seeks to champion it.

    When you lean into and follow your joy in whatever is your choices and delight, you will meet the things that seem to scupper, sabotage, obstruct, deny, betray or attack your flow of being in life. This may at times be seen in terms of what circumstances or others do or do not do to us or for us - but underneath it is what we do to ourselves that sets us up to react as if what they trigger in us as TRUE. So look out for negative self definitions that situations bring up and challenge their right to define and dictate who you are.

    The rules of the road may be lodged as a kind of negative conditioning within the template - but looking at the template opens a capacity to sweep out the 'moneylenders from the temple'. This is not primarily a political act but an acceptance of honesty. Of course a different life comes from a clear foundation but it isn't a device to get that for oneself so much as be that with whoever is in your life.

    Otherwise it is self-honesty that one is actually trying to dodge - though the version given to the surface persona will make it seem a threat rather than a witness for Life.

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