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  1. #151
    The Architect Alwar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Dyslexia and stuff
    There is a book called In The Mind's Eye by Thomas West you might be interested in. If I recall, he goes in depth about many accomplished people who had what are considered serious limitations. People like Einstein, Churchhill, Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell, Edison etc. Been awhile since I read it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alwar View Post
    There is a book called In The Mind's Eye by Thomas West you might be interested in. If I recall, he goes in depth about many accomplished people who had what are considered serious limitations. People like Einstein, Churchhill, Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell, Edison etc. Been awhile since I read it though.
    Excellent, i'll look it up, thank you.
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    The phonics we did was jolly phonics, we did it 12 times with no improvement only frustration. He did it mainly at his last school but i also did it at home with him at the suggestion of the school. I did this for ages, (and wholeheartedly) until i got to a point where i just had to ask them to stop because it was becomming such a source of anxiety. We now do the Davis program for 15 mins a day and my son looks forward to it. It's so refreshing.
    Of course the teacher had to be careful of how she phrased the fact that your son's school basically screwed him over. Libel is such a horrible thing to be accused of.

    I wasn't allowed to tell the parents I had been laid off (I was indirectly threatened) so it came as a real shock to many of them. My daughter is in touch with some of the kids from the school and was told yesterday that the yearbook class had voted me the best teacher! LOL!

    The problem with a lot of schools is that they tend to attract mindless gutless rule followers into the admin positions. . . . I'm not bitter . . . really.

    Anyway, in the end it's all about money, just like everything else.

    Your son sounds like he has been blessed with a wonderful mother.
    And it looks as though he is very talented. There's a list on the internet of famous people with dyslexia maybe one day his name will be on it.

    Thank you for the tips on the Davis program. I can hardly wait to get it!

  4. #154


    I sometimes wish I am a dyslexic. due to psychological advantages such as lack of peer pressure.

    Peer pressure I must say is the most overwhelming burden one would have. Especially a child.

    Parents usually encourage their children to grow academically. Even if it is not the wish of the child. So a dyslexic child would not be pressured out of his/her dream to become an -

    Actor - Anthony Hopkins
    Businessmen - Ingvar Kamprad.

    Dyslexics could simply spread their wings and fly.

  5. #155


    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    As something i feel very passionately about, i have the need to start a thread about Dyslexia and the fact that it is a gift.
    I am not dyslexic although i sometimes wish i were, i feel this way because of the journey i have taken in understanding what dyslexia is and means.
    I have a ten year old son who is (severley) dyslexic. He scores above average in iq tests despite the fact that (until recently) his reading age was 6 and writing age was approx 5 (or ungraded). In all his visual/spatial tests he has consistantly scored in the "gifted" range. I don't need a test to see that my son is gifted. At the age of three the nursery staff brough in 100 piece jigsaw puzzles for him to do as the 12 piece ones did not challange him, infact the 100 piece ones were still not very challanging. At the age of 6 he still could not write his name, until just recently he still reversed and mixed the letters in his name.
    He is incredibly creative and at the age of 5 could independantly do complex lego sets for 12+ year olds using the visual instructions.
    He also has amazing abilities in many other areas, he is a total whizz at chess amoungst other things.
    The school he was in (i took him out) humiliated him and it got to the point that he would cry and get stomach aches every morning befor we even set out.

    Ok, so thats my personal experience regarding my son, i also know many other dyslexics (including other family relations) and have since done some research on the topic.

    My gripe is this, in the majority (not all) of schools

    School education systems are archaic in their teaching styles, they are consistantly letting down up to 10% of the population in their inability to educate dyslexic children in literacy and they inadvertantly discriminate against them.
    It is not just schools but work places too.
    The reason this grates my very being so much is that by doing this fail to see the giftedness of dyslexic individuals.
    Non dyslexics have a lot to learn.

    I know people are starting to understand but many people still see dyslexia as a learning dissability instead of learning difference.
    Infact the style suited to teaching a dyslexic child is also suited to all children and actually achieves higher literacy/numeracy results in ALL children. It is not the children themselves that have the problem but merely an outdated schooling system failing to keep up with giftedness.

    YouTube - dysTalk Talks Dyslexia Disability Or Gift

    ello your son sounds very bright,,I think Dyslexia originates from using a range of different words for the same name Ie : There / Their

    There are four balls
    Their are four boys

    Each statement is totally clear,4,, what follows is what? Balls/Boys

    So next

    ? 8 versions

    4 balls 4 4 boys

    The answer is books intended for adult level obtained education are in time creeping into the early
    eduction system in language and writing,,your child is picking + , subliminal message & = ,, ?


    <>This has arose from william esq who personally cannot be blamed,, but we can for promoting * works in > generations to <<< = 0 or no / the abacus system from basic .

    b ?, = 0 or no,,Simply 0 = 0 dyslexia = level 1 sum = + * (star) 4 child

    example or x

    in the beginning god created the heavens and earth

    as you can see in the bible neither have capitals,,pomp introduced them during the time of pomp to give status to london,, london itself adds status hence no need

    basic 2 basically = 0 x

    i wish to move away from the basic introduction to children of numerical and literal language systems

    = abacus

    what happened basically
    lennox will testify
    will wanted
    + > london
    fucker in a wig thought
    will begged
    male fucks
    make up
    over ruled him

    = 1 nil (0)


    & (in)


    quick draft

    hope it helps




    Israel <> is real
    genesis <> is genes
    adam <> eve
    mad eve
    day before

    mutha fuckers



    a hall = all

    The names Christopher & Jes(us) = u =




    keep britain tidy


  6. #156
    Let me count the ways Betty Blue's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alwar View Post
    There is a book called In The Mind's Eye by Thomas West you might be interested in. If I recall, he goes in depth about many accomplished people who had what are considered serious limitations. People like Einstein, Churchhill, Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell, Edison etc. Been awhile since I read it though.
    Finally got this book a couple of weeks ago after a long wait for delivery to my local waterstones. Reading it currently, its fascinating. I found your favourite Einstein quote in there which makes perfect sense set in the context of the book and is really quite entertaining. I will post about it once i have finished reading it, it has much valuable information i wish to share.
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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    Like many, I find your romanticizing of dyslexia rather troubling. I have mild dyslexia and more substantial ADHD. While I am not severely adhd and I am not unusually impulsive, both have caused substantial difficulties in school. I wasn't diagnosed until age 11 because my older brother has more severe adhd and dyslexia, so mom didn't realize that my milder situation was still a problem. She figured it out when I made it very clear that school was not my cup of tea. Being diagnosed as gifted ld and adhd was a huge relief--my teachers knew I was above average but they generally thought that my lack of achievement was a result of laziness. Some continued to think so, but I had enough understanding teachers that I felt better about school. Mind, that didn't mean they went easy on me, especially as my evaluation showed that I was rather more gifted than they had thought, but they didn't try to make my problems seem like a moral failure.

    I was far from a child prodigy: I read late, did math late, and talked late. Phonics did nothing for me. I took Chinese my freshman year and excelled because I essentially have to learn English the same way, but in English it is assumed that you can sound out words and spell ones you hear. Interestingly, a close, very dyslexic friend of mine found Chinese hell but understands Spanish well, as Spanish is a very logical language. I consider either much easier than English (well, Chinese is about as hard, but they understand the difficulty of it). I learned how to read decently at about age 9 and became very speedy by age 12. However, my written and spoken vocabularies are a little different. I cannot easily associate the pronunciation with the spelling of a word (and writing without spell check is just a mess). My extensive reading has allowed me to acquire a large vocabulary and I was probably the only dyslexic kid in my schools spelling bee (the qualification thing was written. I wasn't allowed to write at the actual thing. ). I was also the first one to be eliminated.

    I started meds for adhd right before high school started. They taught me how to switch mindsets more easily, and now I'm quite functional even off of meds but I cannot sit still without them. When I get a job, I'm going to get one that I don't need to have meds for (there are certain things I love enough to hyperfocus on, and then the problem is remember to eat and sleep, not being distracted).

    I am to some degree a success story, but what you don't see on the surface is the hell I went through. I went through constant scoldings about not trying hard enough. I only learned to read because I became the target of bullying in 2nd grade. I became an excellent reader as books were my only refuge and my teachers at the time decided I was at fault for my social ineptness (apparently standing up for another kid reveals some sort of lack of skill. I switched schools after that). Sure, I learned to read. I also dealt with social anxiety and depression from age 8 to 14. Then I finally started to heal. I'm still more sensitive than I'd like, which is rough as an ENTP, as it limits my social life even more. School was hell until high school, when I started meds and school focused more on logic than memory, ability over organization.

    The reason I say I'm a success story is that I'm going to a top college next year and I've found passions, in math and cs mostly. (when I say top college, I mean the sort that is ranked in the top 10 regularly in the silly college ratings. They seem based mostly on reputation. Regardless, it is a top research institution.) I'm finally improving my social life. Everything is coming together, finally. But do you want to know why?

    When you cite highly successful dyslexics, you assume that they dyslexia is the cause. I'd say it usually isn't. However, dealing with dyslexia effectively teaches you a ton. I learned how to work my ass off even if I didn't see any results for a while. I learned how to modify systems to allow me to function as I need to. (stuff like getting teachers to let my use alternative organization systems, which they aren't fond of before high school). I am extremely well liked by my teachers, to the degree that they'll let me get away with a lot. In one of my classes, I never have to take or turn in notes, unlike everyone else, as long as I get good grades. The notes hinder me, so I talked to him about allowing me to not do them, and he was obliging. I learned to be calm when nothing worked, because I've had years which just seemed like train wrecks. Sure, I've learned how to be successful. That's not a result of my disabilities, it's a result of learning to cope with all the shit life can throw at you at a really early age. The real life lessons my classmates haven't yet learned I've already mastered.

    Essentially, for the first 14 years I was riding a roller coaster without the harness everyone else has. I learned how to cling on for dear life and found a seat belt, which is how I've been operating since. The harnesses all break eventually, and then people who have been complacently enjoying the views have to learn how to cope. I've already learned how to do that, so I have an advantage. However, think of how hard it would be to ride without a harness, or even a seat belt. I learned how to cope, but most people get thrown off, or at least really hurt. I only ever got scratched. My friend is functional but I think her experiences have made her doubt her ability to be happy. I had bad times, but I healed. Most people have those problems at ages they are more prone to giving up. At my age, it wasn't an option. I healed, which is the important thing. But would I rather have been just your basic above average rather happy kid than a struggling but ultimately successful person? I think so. Learning to succeed despite dyslexia gives you tons of skills, but it's not an experience I would wish on anyone. A lot of the things that forced me to succeed so far beyond anyone's expectations where the same things that put me through hell.

    And that is a crazy long post. Anyway, I'm not saying that's what everyone's experiences are, but I think the success a lot of people with LD have (as in, they either struggle or soar) is a result of learning effective life skills at an early age and thus having more experience in those, not a result of natural gifts. Sure, your kid may be gifted, but my sister and I are both gifted. She doesn't have any sort of ld. I'd prefer that, really. I hope that the OP's son has a much easier time than this: it sounds as though you have been helping him learn more skills so he isn't having such an awful time. Just please realize he will have a very hard time sometimes and be ready to do some constructive problem solving when he struggles. It'll happen, but he'll fare much better if it's addressed effectively and quickly.
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    Just wanted to add a quick update to this thread. I have now been doing the Davis program for approx 6 months with my son. Last week he volunteered to stand up and read aloud his story he had written himself during class. He had confidence and read it word perfectly, his teacher was full of praise and i am very proud. This is a long way from not being able to read the alphabet or write more than a couple of words.
    He also has made it through as one of the schools top chess players, to the uk chess mega finals. There are a further two finals to go through so it's not winning the title but for a child who hasn't been in the chess club and has only played a handful of games it's fabulous. I am so pleased that he is finally getting some recognition for his intelligence and creativity rather than only negative feedback for the things he used to struggle so much with.

    Please do not think for one second that i down play anyones difficulty and utter distress they encounter due to having dyslexia. It seems to me that for the majority of people with dyslexia it's the inneficiency of the schooling system which hampers their education. Yes of course individuals without dyslexia are also gifted, i do not argue otherwise.
    There is a specific set of skills, which do vary from person to person but for the main are fairly speific, which dyslexic individuals have and my gripe is that they are not picked up on and more often than not dyslexic individuals are seen and treated as stupid, lazy and unable to learn. More often than not the opposite is true.
    Most dyslexic individuals test as average or above average intelligence despite differences in learning style and the effect that it has on standard IQ tests.
    The two most common areas of highly developed skills in dyslexics are spatial and picture thinking. I am curious if it is these skills that yourself and your sister have? or if they are different?
    I do not know very much about ADHD apart from the personal experience i had with having a partner with ADHD and also dyslexia. I do wish i knew then what i now know so that i could have been a better help to him.
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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    My philosophy is that if you're forced to lift heaver weights, you end up getting stronger.
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    A: "Distilled liquor"

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    A: "Between a starving prostitute and a steak sandwich."

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    A:He would build a cage, step inside, and rename his new location as "outside."

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    I googled the thread title and found this: Dyslexia is not a disability, it's a gift | Sally Gardner | Opinion | The Guardian

    This is an opinion piece by a dyslexic author. Yes, you read that right.
    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

    A discussion is two people sharing their understanding, even when they disagree.

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