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Haphazard

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So, found your culture, yet , crybabys ? :D

Well, I tried, but people seem to have tossed it aside for "All America Has Is Pop Culture" "All America Has Is Fat Corporatism" blah blah blah.
 

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Well, I tried, but people seem to have tossed it aside for "All America Has Is Pop Culture" "All America Has Is Fat Corporatism" blah blah blah.

I believe in you, Go mavericks :D
 

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Well, I tried, but people seem to have tossed it aside for "All America Has Is Pop Culture" "All America Has Is Fat Corporatism" blah blah blah.

I think people may have rather said those alternatives because those are being pushed on us from a few elites, the media. Our real culture is being smothered by bullshit, so it's not unfair to say that pop culture and corporatism are what we have. They've started to shade over all of the original culture of the U.S.
 

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I think people may have rather said those alternatives because those are being pushed on us from a few elites, the media. Our real culture is being smothered by bullshit, so it's not unfair to say that pop culture and corporatism are what we have. They've started to shade over all of the original culture of the U.S.

Would it be wrong to say that "original" American culture is a divisive factor and "new" American culture is a uniting factor?
 

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Well, I tried, but people seem to have tossed it aside for "All America Has Is Pop Culture" "All America Has Is Fat Corporatism" blah blah blah.

Oh, yeah. You were trying to get us to discuss regional culture, right? I wasn't interested in discussing that at first because I already knew about regional culture, but since we seem to be coming up with nothing but cliches when talking about national culture, let's go ahead.

Let's see... we all know about rednecks from listening to Jeff Foxworthy. They're the uneducated trailer-park dwellers who don't speak well, but are very good at inventing practical solutions that most people find disgusting/crude, which proves they definitely have some form of intelligence.

I probably have a few in my family, because I've found myself doing things like this:

1. Used blank sheets of notebook paper to blow my nose because I didn't have any Kleenex (which prompted a teacher to RUN to me with a box of it once, LOL).

2. Ate my lunch out of the tray with my fingers while standing over a trash can, just washing them afterwards, because our lunch period was too short given the length of the line for me to eat properly if I didn't want to be late.

3. Picked grime out of my fingernails using the tip of a disposable Bic mechanical pencil that had run out of lead.

4. My mom and I use an old exercise bike we got at a garage sale as an alarm clock stand (seat), hat/coat rack (handlebars), cooking timer, temporary magazine rack (odd frame partition between seat and wheel), and sharpening wheel (unusually thick and hard metal wheel and pedals).

5. Our apartment isn't well insulated, so during the winter, we hang a blanket over the downstairs entrance to the stairwell in order to impede the warm air from rising upstairs, which usually leaves the downstairs extremely cold and upstairs too warm. We also figured out how to use masking tape as makeshift weatherstripping on the doors and windows during the winter.

Well, that's how Southern culture has affected me, anyway. It's made my mind better at finding ways to do without things or convince myself I don't need them, than finding ways to get or accomplish things. I know a lot of people who grew up in the South who think the same way, and struggle with the same mentality, which is why I provided an example. The advantage is that you don't have ridiculous expectations of life and are unlikely to waste resources, but the disadvantage is that your capacity for more refined senses and tastes are dulled, and you may find yourself extremely pessimistic and/or confused about what's achievable.

Let's go on to Texas culture. This is where things start to get interesting for me, the state level. Texas culture seems to place an exceptional value on independence and individualism... more so than the REST of the U.S., if you can believe that. One of the side effects of this, is that I grew up believing that using connections to people, or otherwise taking unnecessary help to get ahead or improve my lot was something of a disgusting behavior, and that the only appropriate way to do things was to achieve them on your own (or with just the help of your immediate family). Texas also has an unusual break with Southern culture, in that Texans tend to believe in doing everything "big," particularly personal success. I think it's been partially influenced by the "Big Oil" culture here. Texas as a whole also seems to have some Spanish and Mexican influences due to the border with Mexico, obviously. Many unusual Texan styles are influenced by Mexican ones. There's also a strong emphasis on the "Old West" way of doing things. Particular regions (especially rural ones) tend to be strongly influenced by the wealthiest people in them (Doug Dimmadome is an extreme parody of this tendency, as well as Texans).

That's Texas as a whole, though. Now, Dallas is a little different, and I'm kind of thankful I grew up here rather than out in some other part of Texas. I was sheltered from some of the worst of Texas culture for most of my childhood, although I saw it later. Dallas seems to lean slightly further left politically than many other cities in Texas, and I would say that aside from Houston, it's the only halfway civilized place in Texas.

The main reason, as far as I can tell, is because Dallas has two airports, plays host to people from several other cities, and thus resembles a more typical urban area/city in some ways, due to the fact that an unusual proportion of the people here are from other regions, or are used to seeing people from other regions. Our public transportation system has poor coverage, but its been improving/expanding lately, and most cities here don't have one at all. In fact, it's the exposure to other cultures I got through the business, education, and technology-oriented people here, particularly from Asian, European, and even Eastern and Western US cultures, that first caused me to question the way typical Texans did things. There also seems to be a bit more support for and awareness of the Arts here than in most parts of Texas, though I'm not as certain of that.

So, hopefully I've illustrated how much difference a region, a state, or even a particular city, can make.
 

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I think people may have rather said those alternatives because those are being pushed on us from a few elites, the media. Our real culture is being smothered by bullshit, so it's not unfair to say that pop culture and corporatism are what we have. They've started to shade over all of the original culture of the U.S.

The concept of "original culture" gets political though...

Right America thinks original American culture is inherently individualistic - that "Americanism" implies liberty, free enterprise, etc... Major cultural touchstones: The American Revolution (guess that's where the "original" part comes into play), Goldwater's '64 campaign, and obviously anything Reagan.

Left America thinks original American culture is inherently community-oriented - "Americanism" calls to mind the "Four freedoms speech," "Ask not what your country..." line, etc... Major cultural touchstones: Populist movement, progressive movement, New Deal, Great Society.

The villain in the scenarios change too: it's either the media elite, the corporate elite, mid-century entitlement programs or the Reagan revolution that have clouded "American culture."

Maybe that's why people fall back on baseball, rock-n-roll, and apple pie.
 

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Is America the only place where spending frivolously is considered a patriotic duty?

I remember reading that there was a luxury tax, once, but the government ended up repealing it because, goddammit, the jewelers, the fur farmers, and the yacht-makers have families to feed, too.
 

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Instead of getting into ideological parts of culture perhaps we should start small.

1. Americans smile a lot, usually with eye contact. This is too much by European standards.

2. Americans don't like to be touched casually

3. Americans do not often say 'excuse me'. Instead they use a complicated system of eye contact to get their meaning across courteously.

4. To avoid having to be courteous, Americans use newspapers, books, magazines, cell phones, and iPods to avoid eye contact.

5. When waiting in a line or on a long plane ride, it is acceptable to start a conversation unless the other person is using one of the above devices.

6. Americans generally find it unacceptable to sit right next to each other if the other person is not in the group they originally came with. Exceptions are: 1) air planes, 2) dining areas in festivals, where individual tables fill up fast, 3) very crowded venues, 4) venues in which tickets are sold by seat rather than just by ticket, 5) novelty restaurants where seating is not set up for small groups, so often two or more groups are sat together, or 6) venues that have lines to get into them, and if you had a long enough conversation with a person or group ahead of you you can sometimes sit with them.

7. At least compared to Europe, the American's 'inside voice' is still quite loud

Anything else?
 

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Instead of getting into ideological parts of culture perhaps we should start small.

1. Americans smile a lot, usually with eye contact. This is too much by European standards.

2. Americans don't like to be touched casually

3. Americans do not often say 'excuse me'. Instead they use a complicated system of eye contact to get their meaning across courteously.

4. To avoid having to be courteous, Americans use newspapers, books, magazines, cell phones, and iPods to avoid eye contact.

5. When waiting in a line or on a long plane ride, it is acceptable to start a conversation unless the other person is using one of the above devices.

6. Americans generally find it unacceptable to sit right next to each other if the other person is not in the group they originally came with. Exceptions are: 1) air planes, 2) dining areas in festivals, where individual tables fill up fast, 3) very crowded venues, 4) venues in which tickets are sold by seat rather than just by ticket, 5) novelty restaurants where seating is not set up for small groups, so often two or more groups are sat together, or 6) venues that have lines to get into them, and if you had a long enough conversation with a person or group ahead of you you can sometimes sit with them.

7. At least compared to Europe, the American's 'inside voice' is still quite loud

Anything else?

We'll invite anyone over to our house anytime. Everyone is welcome.

In Europe, only special people are invited to others houses.
 

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What part of Europe are you talking about? You know Europe isn't just France+Germany. I don't think Americans smile too much in comparison to Spanish or Italian people, or are louder than us...I would actually say that all of them apply to the culture here except number 3).
 

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What part of Europe are you talking about? You know Europe isn't just France+Germany. I don't think Americans smile too much in comparison to Spanish or Italian people, or are louder than us...I would actually say that all of them apply to the culture here except number 3).

Really? I've heard differently, even in Italy. Then again culture in Italy is kind of separated so much in all the regions that if you go one place it probably doesn't mean the same thing in the other.

The point is that a smile is free. For no reason. And it's not an invitation to get closer (as it is in Latin America -- is that the case in Spain?), it's merely to tell them that you're all there and not bleeding profusely or anything else panic-inducing.
 

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1. Americans smile a lot, usually with eye contact. This is too much by European standards.

By German standards, you should see the french: insecure people always smile :D

2. Americans don't like to be touched casually

Hahahahaha, party poopers :D

3. Americans do not often say 'excuse me'. Instead they use a complicated system of eye contact to get their meaning across courteously.

Again goes into the direction of insecurity :D

4. To avoid having to be courteous, Americans use newspapers, books, magazines, cell phones, and iPods to avoid eye contact.

So to rob them in a tram station should be easy

5. When waiting in a line or on a long plane ride, it is acceptable to start a conversation unless the other person is using one of the above devices.

Ya or is from germany and has a knife :D

6. Americans generally find it unacceptable to sit right next to each other if the other person is not in the group they originally came with. Exceptions are: 1) air planes, 2) dining areas in festivals, where individual tables fill up fast, 3) very crowded venues, 4) venues in which tickets are sold by seat rather than just by ticket, 5) novelty restaurants where seating is not set up for small groups, so often two or more groups are sat together, or 6) venues that have lines to get into them, and if you had a long enough conversation with a person or group ahead of you you can sometimes sit with them.

It's a wonder porn industry originated from your country :D

7. At least compared to Europe, the American's 'inside voice' is still quite loud

That's what the little white pills labeled bonbons are for, you get when you arrive in Germany as an American. They effectively cripple your autonomous brain system and make you a perfect drone for the duration of your stay :D

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No really, I met some Americans and they ranged from being supercool, to aloof to being nice, so its a huge country.

They all tho shared some certain, I like to call it survival instinct, making em appear reserved or letting em speak in a categorial tone. That's why I never got you saying german is a hard language and we are all reserved.
 

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3. Americans do not often say 'excuse me'. Instead they use a complicated system of eye contact to get their meaning across courteously.

Are you serious?

If anything, Americans say "excuse me" waaay too much, to the point where the expression is an instunctual reaction with no meaning.

See if you get an "excuse me" out of Germans or Russians when they bump into you (or invade you...)
 

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Are you serious?

If anything, Americans say "excuse me" waaay too much, to the point where the expression is an instunctual reaction with no meaning.

See if you get an "excuse me" out of Germans or Russians when they bump into you (or invade you...)

Must be more regional then.
 

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When I visit the motherland I'm going to be sure to wear khaki shorts, sandals, and a hoodie with a University logo on it. Then I'll be real loud and obnoxious with constant comments about "how we don't do it like that in America" along with military and political references.
 

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Me thinks so. Come to the mid-west and you'll hear, "excuse me" every 2 seconds.

I'm in the Midwest. Midwestern metropolitan areas aren't known for being the nicest places.
 

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No really, I met some Americans and they ranged from being supercool, to aloof to being nice, so its a huge country.

They all tho shared some certain, I like to call it survival instinct, making em appear reserved or letting em speak in a categorial tone. That's why I never got you saying german is a hard language and we are all reserved.

People say German is a hard language because of grammar, not because of Germans. I don't know about Germans being reserved. If they're anything like you, I'd suppose not.

Seems from this list physical space is considered off-limits but mental space is a-okay for reconnaissance and eventual conquest.
 

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