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    Interesting story. Kind of sad really. I always knew there was an intelligent person inside there with a lot more depth than seems to be on the surface. Never heard of those schools she was referring to that resulted in her PTSD and so many other problems in her life.


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    The more I read about these programs, it sounds like legalized child abuse 6 Shocking Realities of the Secret 'Troubled Teen Industry' | Cracked.com
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    I'm glad somebody is talking about this. I skimmed through the video and may give it a full watch later this week.

    It breaks my heart... what these kids go through, and how it affects them for the rest of their lives, oftentimes under the guise of Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    The more I read about these programs, it sounds like legalized child abuse 6 Shocking Realities of the Secret 'Troubled Teen Industry' | Cracked.com
    They are. The rehabilitation for profit industry is the same way. But a lot of these young people were not addicted to anything either.

    Rehab scam: Defendants in court-ordered rehab work for free

    I get most people really have no idea what's gong on but this is what little regulation, little to no oversight and profit at any cost produces. The human toll is incredible and there are so many walking around with trauma issues due to places like this I'm not at all surprised how things end up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    The more I read about these programs, it sounds like legalized child abuse 6 Shocking Realities of the Secret 'Troubled Teen Industry' | Cracked.com
    The tree stump incident sounds like someone watched "Shane" too many times and thought it would be a formative experience.

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    It breaks my heart... what these kids go through, and how it affects them for the rest of their lives, oftentimes under the guise of Christianity.
    Yeah, it definitely happens under religious context a great deal, and there were numerous camps (I think Florida had been a common state) essentially due to lack of regulation.

    I think I described my daughter's experience in one of my older blogs. My ex had physical custody, my daughter was 12 or so, and the home situation became realistically untenable and my ex got the bright idea last minute to send her to a program for a year. Agreeing initially (just to at least temporarily get them away from each other) was one of the worst mistakes I ever made as a parent but the courts were useless in helping me get her back out. It wasn't as bad as the camps in the Cracked articles but it wasn't great and was pretty much a juvie religious home, for young teen girls with drug, pregnancy, and other issues their parents didn't know how to resolve -- whereas the issue with my daughter really was my ex's inability to flex and/or deal with a teenager and mother/daughter conflict. I wondered how many other girls in the facility actually had problems versus just being dumped there by religious parents who "couldn't control their behavior."

    Some of the camps I have read about are just abusive.

    I haven't watched the Paris video, but I did notice an article within the last week that she was now 39 years old. It's funny how someone's age can get locked into one's mind when you don't hear about them for a long time, I keep thinking of her as a twenty-year-old due to all the articles and media attention on her at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    I haven't watched the Paris video, but I did notice an article within the last week that she was now 39 years old. It's funny how someone's age can get locked into one's mind when you don't hear about them for a long time, I keep thinking of her as a twenty-year-old due to all the articles and media attention on her at the time.
    Her life sounds pretty dysfunctional. She's a workaholic, unable to develop or maintain relationships with men, unable to be herself and be open, suffers from horrible insomnia, anxiety and PTSD, waking up with nightmares all the time from when they abducted her and is addicted to social media. I see a lost soul who is surrounded by a sycophantic mahine that want to keep the gravy train of money coming regardless as to how it affects her. When she isn't in front of the bright lights or at image boosting events, she comes across as a pretty unhappy person. Sbe doesn't seem to know who she is. Its like she is a product being marketed and addicted to the constant influx of money- that if she only makes just a bit more of - she will be happy. One of the saddest moments of all was when she told her mom what happened and her mom didn't even shed a tear. It's easy to take having good parents for granted.
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    Paris Hilton strikes me as someone who, in addition to or perhaps because of her dysfunctional childhood, has Histrionic Personality Disorder. I say this compassionately. I think it's probably extremely painful to have your personality wired in such a way that makes you feel like you need to present yourself in a childlike, shallow, or sexually provocative manner in order to have value as a person, and to be unable to be a more concentrated, true version of oneself.

    You can see in the video that she still does that thing where she elevates her voice to a childlike pitch when her boyfriend arrives, and her whole demeanor changes. I do think that can be a subtle thing in people without personality disorders (being cutesy isn't necessarily pathological), but cumulatively, when the pieces come together, Hilton seems unsettled with her identity and worth.

    I wish everyone could see mental illness and personality disorders in a different light overall. They are so painful to live with, and the helplessness... being unsure how to change one's wiring, especially when you are scared of people hurting you. I think about this often.
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    I think it is a complex documentary. I watched the entire thing last night and don't have all final conclusions, but it is carefully constructed and intended to strengthen her brand as well as address these reform school issues.

    I do know there were dysfunctional schools like that during the 80's and 90's in the media. You may remember some of the shock Talk Shows during that time which would often have guests with rebellious teens. Then they would bring in this drill sergeant guy to scream at them and take them off to a reform-type school.

    There are a few claims made in the video unrelated to that school that have a strong marketing focus. She claims to have invented the Selfie, but I think whoever added a camera app to a phone created it. Normal, general people are self-centered enough to come up with the idea of taking pictures of themselves. They also claim she established the competitive paparazzi, but there was Princess Di before her. She is called the original influencer.

    The timing for talking about victimization is highly marketable right now. There is great power in victimization in our society right now, and most celebrities have a story about it. It is also entirely possible that it happened in this severe manner because it does happen to people.

    I don't see it as a vulnerable tell-all, take the risk of putting everything out there, naked authenticity. It is a highly constructed presentation. I would expect a court case and legal action to happen next for someone in her position to call out a victimizer. She definitely has resources to solve the problem legally. If there is a statute of limitations issue, then investigations into current violations would be a natural course of action for someone in her position. I will be interested to see if she donates money and legal resources to correct this problem larger scale.

    Here is a link to the school. I don't remember the documentary mentioning that it was sold to new ownership in 2000. If they are using those abusive tactics then legal action should be taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powehi View Post
    I think it is a complex documentary. I watched the entire thing last night and don't have all final conclusions, but it is carefully constructed and intended to strengthen her brand as well as address these reform school issues.

    I do know there were dysfunctional schools like that during the 80's and 90's in the media. You may remember some of the shock Talk Shows during that time which would often have guests with rebellious teens. Then they would bring in this drill sergeant guy to scream at them and take them off to a reform-type school.

    There are a few claims made in the video unrelated to that school that have a strong marketing focus. She claims to have invented the Selfie, but I think whoever added a camera app to a phone created it. Normal, general people are self-centered enough to come up with the idea of taking pictures of themselves. They also claim she established the competitive paparazzi, but there was Princess Di before her. She is called the original influencer.

    The timing for talking about victimization is highly marketable right now. There is great power in victimization in our society right now, and most celebrities have a story about it. It is also entirely possible that it happened in this severe manner because it does happen to people.

    I don't see it as a vulnerable tell-all, take the risk of putting everything out there, naked authenticity. It is a highly constructed presentation. I would expect a court case and legal action to happen next for someone in her position to call out a victimizer. She definitely has resources to solve the problem legally. If there is a statute of limitations issue, then investigations into current violations would be a natural course of action for someone in her position. I will be interested to see if she donates money and legal resources to correct this problem larger scale.

    Here is a link to the school. I don't remember the documentary mentioning that it was sold to new ownership in 2000. If they are using those abusive tactics then legal action should be taken.
    Programs at Provo Canyon School | ProvoCanyon.com
    I'm confused. Are you saying you don't think she has legitimate trauma and pain? I didn't watch the whole thing, so I can't speak to the marketing angle at present, but I think marketing herself is so deeply engrained in her personality because of her family and upbringing (and likely personality disorder) that I'd be surprised if there were no elements of marketing in anything she presents, because her sense of self revolves around selling herself as a brand and earning recognition and respect through that recognition.

    I actually think it's quite tragic. This is why I vehemently oppose pageantry and child stardom.
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    I'm looking forward to seeing it. I always thought she was exceedingly more interesting and complex than the Kardashians and similar reality stars for whom she helped to pave a marketable path.

    I always used to hate on her, because it was so cool and easy to hate on her. She was a spoiled brat. I'm ashamed to have just mindlessly jumped on the hate Paris bandwagon, but at the time she just stood for everything I hated about both the state of television and our culture's obsession with the lives of the wealthy and vapid. I remember reading a story of her at an electronic music show trying to request the DJ play something else during his set. He essentially told her to fuck off after she reportedly said "I'm Paris Fucking Hilton." But then she's grown up in a family with a prominent name, so I don't expect her to have a frame of reference or realize how self centered that might have seemed.

    Whether or not she is spoiled, she also seems to be genuinely nice and caring. She's not a narcissist or lacking compassion, she just came up in a very narcissistic culture. I sense a kind soul, but perhaps clouded and sometimes misguided by insecurities (but who isn't?)

    I used to scoff when I read she was becoming a DJ. Especially after that footage of her not even touching the knobs on her equipment at a show. It legitimately pissed me off to think she could land big gigs with her name while many DJs might work years to hone their skills and struggle to land any gigs. I knew people who had spun trance for raves and clubs back in the day, and many made little money on gigs, pursuing it because they loved it. But that was a while ago and she's continued to DJ for the better part of the last decade, so I have to wonder if it was really just a gimmick as I'd originally assumed. I mean, if she's genuinely found a pursuit she's passionate about and is trying to hone her skills at that craft or art, then I have to respect that, being someone who's pursued music themself. Having seen videos of her DJing at home during the quarantine, it seems she's gotten a lot better at it too, and really seems to enjoy doing it. The songs she uses in her sets aren't really my cup of tea, a little too much in the technopop and poppier side of house for my tastes, but I respect that she's improved her skilsl and is trying to prove she isn't just using her name to get expensive gigs and play prerecorded mixes whilst pretending to turn knobs on equipment that isn't turned on (as some have alleged). She was legitimately using the mixing board and adjusting knobs in the videos I watched from her home setup. And she appeared confident and relaxed in it. It's always a pleasure to watch someone both enjoying themselves and expanding their skills at music

    I saw someone say she was sort of like a real life Barbie, in the sense that Barbie has been seen in so many various forms doing various jobs and activities--similar to Paris has dabbled in so many different trades and hobbies. I think she is a sort of real life American Barbie, though I mean that in the most positive sense.

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