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    YES, you heard it from this 6 first... but seriously. What is trust?

    I am a person who gambles on certainties, so it is difficult for me to trust "uncertainties". Whatever they may be. I have a difficult time understanding people, and especially authority. Please enlighten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maou View Post
    YES, you heard it from this 6 first... but seriously. What is trust?

    I am a person who gambles on certainties, so ot is difficult for me to trust "uncertainties". Whatever they may be. I have a difficult time understanding peoppe, and especially authority. Please enlighten me.
    Stick to your words and promises and dont tell lies and there you have it: Trust. Ok, its more than that but that already explains a lot.

    Trust is about you knowing that other people will stick to their promises.
    Trust is about you know that other people wont tell you lies or induce you in believing in lies.
    Trust is you know that you wont be back-stabbed by someone planning to do that on advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendrah View Post
    Stick to your words and promises and dont tell lies and there you have it: Trust. Ok, its more than that but that already explains a lot.

    Trust is about you knowing that other people will stick to their promises.
    Trust is about you know that other people wont tell you lies or induce you in believing in lies.
    Trust is you know that you wont be back-stabbed by someone planning to do that on advance.
    See, this just sounds like reliability to me. Trust to me feels like gambling on multiple people's worth. While it might seem outrageous to others, the thought rarely crosses my mind in terms of gambling, and behaviors Interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maou View Post
    See, this just sounds like reliability to me. Trust to me feels like gambling on multiple people's worth. While it might seem outrageous to others, the thought rarely crosses my mind in terms of gambling, and behaviors Interesting.
    Lack of reliability would be... someone made a promise intending to keep it, but ended up forgetting about it and thus not fulfilling it.

    Lack of trust would be someone made a promise but never intended to keep it in the first place.

    Trust is about whether you think someone is out for your best interests. A person who can't be trusted will screw you over for their own benefit. A person who is unreliable won't be there when you need them even though they may want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maou View Post
    See, this just sounds like reliability to me. Trust to me feels like gambling on multiple people's worth. While it might seem outrageous to others, the thought rarely crosses my mind in terms of gambling, and behaviors Interesting.
    And just complementing what @Legion said, it applies for one people but also for an entire country as well.
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    This is what the (online) dictionary says:
    "1a: assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something
    b: one in which confidence is placed"


    Though social relationships are/can be more complicated of course. I'd say I can trust someone when their behavior is predictable (to a certain extent) and their willingness to explain and communicate. People can('t) be trustworthy when it comes to certain areas. I wouldn't say it's black or white.
    There's a friend I'd par example trust with personal information, but I know I can't 'trust' her when it comes to lending her any money because I know I won't see it back anytime soon. Though the predictability factor is also in there; I know I won't see it back anytime soon so I can decide not to lend her any money. But I also know, if I'd discuss this issue with her she would handle it like an adult.
    (She's quite an asshole from time to time -luckily it wasn't me who she had to pay off- but despite that still trustworthy imo.)

    Trust doesn't mean you need to have a bond with that person. Take your co-workers par example. You can (hopefully) trust them when it comes to them doing their job. You can rely on them when it comes to work related issues etc,... Despite that you may not get along with them on a personal level. Maybe they are backstabbing assholes who are untrustworthy when it comes to keeping personal information to themselves. Maybe you could put it into 'levels'? Trustworthy as a coworker; yes. Trustworthy as a friend; no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maou View Post
    YES, you heard it from this 6 first... but seriously. What is trust?

    I am a person who gambles on certainties, so it is difficult for me to trust "uncertainties". Whatever they may be. I have a difficult time understanding people, and especially authority. Please enlighten me.
    How is it possible for one to "gamble on certainties"? @_@
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    For me, deep trust has a lot to do with knowing someone's intentions toward me are good. So some things that are important in establishing and maintaining that are communication, honesty, reliability, and typically time. ThisName has a good point with how there are different levels. There are people who I would trust with my life (not surprisingly, my parents, but also a few others.) There are people I would trust to take care of people or animals who are dear to me. There are people I would trust my house and belongings with. There are people I trust with my deepest secrets. Largely much of it comes down to whether I feel and am respected by those people. If they understand and respect my needs and/or wants, and I know their intentions are good, trust follows naturally.
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    Trust is fickle.
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    I didn't want to respond to this thread, because I made it while drunk as fuck. I realize I have a serious dependency on alcohol. I thought I had dreampt making this thread, and it took some thinking as to why I made it. I was watching a show, and it brought up trust. Somehow something "clicked" about it. I saw for the first time, how I "trust" or I should say, lack of.

    @The Cat when I said "gambling on certainties", it accurately resembles my feelings on trust. There is no trust, and whatever I allow people to do for me, in situations that people consider being "trusted in", is actually the opposite. I fully expect to lose whatever I "trust" people with, and I am sometimes surprised when I don't. Hence, the feeling of gamble.

    I have zero faith, in both peoples abilities, and trustworthiness apparently. This probably explains why I feel such a divide between myself and others. Who could stand being around someone, who can't even trust them? Then I myself, tend to treat other people as strangers, and keep them at arms length when they try to earn my trust, get closer, or actually like me. It honestly scares me when people get too close, because I have no idea what to do. That part of me is still just a child, because of trauma it never developed. The closer people try get to me, the farther away I want to go. I can't tell if I am afraid of hurting them, or them hurting me. I also cannot differenciate between those who I want to be closer to, and those who I don't want to be close to.

    I am beginning to realize the depth of my emotional avoidance, and my alcoholism is evidence of that. I realized that every time I start to feel emotion, I would drown it out and throw my mind into escapism. I run away from the slightest emotional inconveniences, and either be arrogant about myself, or attack others. I also overthink, negative self talk, push myself to be stronger and supress/repress everything in a constant cycle of construction and destruction through avoidant regression. In all honesty, it pisses me off. I piss myself off. I probably have no idea what I mean right now too.

    I quit drinking on the 17th, and it has been a rough week. I need to rediscover myself again.

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