Am I the only one who struggles with communist feelings?

[Sabbathhhank]

First off, judging from my experiences I think no matter how ugh I would want communism in theory to be practiced in reality I would come away being considered a socialist at the least due the nature of the far left commonly or on average I think, trust the difference or divergence.

I really struggle with communist and collectivist feelings though, but I can’t help feeling all the time it’s just to extreme but I hate greedy and selfish people who ruin the harmony and everything else to be honest I can’t stand them. Supposedly I’m an Fi-dom that’s why I guess? That’s another ironic thing, Fi-doms are only socialist at best while Fe-doms can totally make it work (communism) in practice but t’s everyone else’s fault and then whoa what’s going it’s Nazi Germany or something.

The far left liberals I think are just as bad as the capitalists most of them, and plus I’m not exactly prone to greed or selfishness, I’m animated, lively and motivated and I don’t think I would be to blame for global warming but on the outset, that’s what other’s point the finger and blame me for thus I have to cautious of the left, but the right, I dunno, they promote culmination of power too much for IMHO.

It just surprisingly hurts me a lot, I’m wondering if anyone else relates to this or if there is a reason why I experience this? I’m not against capitalist either entirely but I wonder if I’d haven’t to be as a result (against capitalism) I don’t think it’s wrong innately though, but it’s like you need to adequately keep an audience in the dark, and things like that, oppressed. Socialism is okay, but I feel even with that, it makes people to self centred and everything but I like individual differences. I struggle with negative feelings though, but my biggest issues is mostly with women/womanizing. I like being kind of mean or angry sometimes and self cantered or starting fights so I’m not perfect thus why I can’t be a far left liberal in practice I guess. Supposedly again I’d get labeled as an Fi-dom but I’m very understanding of others in the above mentioned instances since I’ve struggled so much with things on my own, not being viewed as good enough for whatever reason on the outset but mostly just being misunderstood.

Hey is that mostly what it is?

Fi-dom=socialist
Fe dom=hard to say, they either make it work or are perfect citizens either way.

 

[Virtual ghost]

The only thing I can recommend is to explore the term "socio-democracy". Since judging by the post this is what you are at heart.


Social harmony
Environment protection
Generally modest
Anti greed
Ok with idea of trade/market
Ok with people going to church



Forget Communist stuff, that is counter-productive extremism.

 

[Sabbathhhank]

The only thing I can recommend is to explore the term "socio-democracy". Since judging by the post this is what you are at heart.


Social harmony
Environment protection
Generally modest
Anti greed
Ok with idea of trade/market
Ok with people going to church



Forget Communist stuff, that is counter-productive extremism.

Oh no I’m not a social democrat at all, I wouldn’t define myself by labels too easily. I would just say I share a lot of sentiment with Karl Marx.

 

[21%]

I have an inkling about where you're coming from.

Ideologies are ideas -- when they're adopted in real life they often become bastardized versions of themselves, with unintended consequences. I think communism is a wonderful concept. It just doesn't work, because of flawed execution. There can never be prefect execution, because humans are fundamentally flawed. No matter what the system is, there will be greedy, selfish people who will seek to exploit it.

If you're in the west, especially the US, you'll have been taught from a young age of the evils of communism. I'm not from the US, but up until the age of 13, I thought communism was the ultimate evil, too, because, well, world politics, and the West wanted to maintain influence in the region and did not want my country to 'jump ship' to the Russia/China camp. My own government at the time also clamped down quite heavily on young people who advocated for communism -- and they were idealistic, well-meaning, educated students who wanted the best for the country. From then, all schools taught children about 'the threat of communism'. That's how you brainwash a nation. The US seems to have been brainwashed about 'freedom' and that communism and socialism are infringement on this 'freedom'. But if you don't have paid sick leave and you're working paycheck to paycheck -- do you really have freedom?

I guess what I'm saying is... a lot of labels are illusions. Economics and politics are ultimately about how we manage ourselves and how we distribute resources.

Modern communism has embraced consumerism, and it's doing lots of things capitalism does -- it just depends on who owns what, who has the power, and how you keep that power in check, or just keep the plebs happy enough that they won't revolt. Dictatorship does that, communism does that, capitalism does that. We haven't found the perfect system.

If you ask me, the evil lies more in consumerism than any ideology.

 

[Sabbathhhank]

I have an inkling about where you're coming from.

Ideologies are ideas -- when they're adopted in real life they often become bastardized versions of themselves, with unintended consequences. I think communism is a wonderful concept. It just doesn't work, because of flawed execution. There can never be prefect execution, because humans are fundamentally flawed. No matter what the system is, there will be greedy, selfish people who will seek to exploit it.

If you're in the west, especially the US, you'll have been taught from a young age of the evils of communism. I'm not from the US, but up until the age of 13, I thought communism was the ultimate evil, too, because, well, world politics, and the West wanted to maintain influence in the region and did not want my country to 'jump ship' to the Russia/China camp. My own government at the time also clamped down quite heavily on young people who advocated for communism -- and they were idealistic, well-meaning, educated students who wanted the best for the country. From then, all schools taught children about 'the threat of communism'. That's how you brainwash a nation. The US seems to have been brainwashed about 'freedom' and that communism and socialism are infringement on this 'freedom'. But if you don't have paid sick leave and you're working paycheck to paycheck -- do you really have freedom?

I guess what I'm saying is... a lot of labels are illusions. Economics and politics are ultimately about how we manage ourselves and how we distribute resources.

Modern communism has embraced consumerism, and it's doing lots of things capitalism does -- it just depends on who owns what, who has the power, and how you keep that power in check, or just keep the plebs happy enough that they won't revolt. Dictatorship does that, communism does that, capitalism does that. We haven't found the perfect system.

If you ask me, the evil lies more in consumerism than any ideology.

I think there’s a way forward, it’s just intending to ever really make it work is quite extreme, though it could almost be looked at and argued that leaving the world in the current state it’s at is just as seemingly extreme, or ineffectual when there’s so much fault to be found with our current way of solving with problems and running the world.

The biggest issue for me is just that we have relatively little say in how we live our lives, we are born to be perpetual consumers and workers at best without much of our own desires having any bearing on the situation, and our own lives for that fact. I used to think I could just be moderate at best, but now I’ve come to be more honest in what my true dispositions and inclinations are I guess.

I just don’t think I can experience true happiness or togetherness with my fellow human’s until the world moves forward from this situation. For me it’s just the basic concept that we’re so divorced from our true intentions and reasons for existing as human beings, when that very intrinsic fact and notion is stripped away from us without say or reason. We don’t get to decide what our basic purpose and reason for existing is.

We just perpetually live in some factory or mire to toil endlessly away at, and I’ve though “well at best it’s a spiritual experience that’s necessary or beneficial for some people to go through” but I wonder if that’s the case, it’s like making an argument that torture and prison is good for you. That being said I don’t argue for like some super advanced communist utopian world at all, that’s not what I mean.

 

[Sabbathhhank]

btw, I just wanted to reiterate I'd only ever be considered a socialist at best and when I talk about possibly having communist sentiments I only ever imagine it working in the far off future, not anytime near the present.

I just think we're slaves with hardly any say or freedom in our lives. Sure, if you're not careful attempting to enact a big liberal communist dictatorship is virtually just as bad but it's like arguing over the lesser of evil's here. The biggest question and dilemma I see is how do you peacefulyl resolve who gets to effectively, own control and run the watering hole? that's the biggest conceivable obstacle in achieving in lasting beneficial change long term. I just can't get over that one key aspect and factuality of this scenario.