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    Forged In Flames Hexcoder's Avatar
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    Default Humans: Mostly good, or mostly bad?

    How do you perceive the world in general? Do you see human nature as mostly good, mostly bad, or perhaps someplace in between? Are they mainly good natured but flawed?

    The definition is subjective and debatable...but use your own subjective definition. It's a survey of perspective, not of truth in reality.

    To clarify, I am just wanying to gather a general overview of how others see the world rather than discuss human nature or changeability. Are humans generally trustworthy to you, or will they usually betray you somehow if given the opportunity? Do you like them? Whatever else you think of. Overall, collectively, in general, on average.
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    I perceive humans on average as flawed but mostly wellmeaning and capable of growth.

    "Good" and "evil" are highly problematic terms that make little sense outside of our species. If "good" means "serving the good of mankind" than the question "are humans good?" becomes "are humans good for mankind?". Are they good for the planet? Hell no. Are they good to each other? Mostly, otherwise we wouldn#T have survived and civilization wouldn't be possible. It's been shown over and over again that throughout history humans have generally become more and more cooperative, gentler, less violent and generally more civilized. As a general trend. I take courage from that thought.

    A lot of political and ideological conflicts have to do with this question of human nature being good or bad. With how much you can trust other people. The historical trend is towards broadening that circle of trust and cooperation and solidarity. It has been for millenia. A lot of the current culture wars are fought over this widening of the circle. There is movement and resistance. In the long term we'll have to widen the circle in order to face the challenges we've created for ourselves.

    The problem I see is not one of good or evil but one of complexity. Thanks to technology we have developed so fast that it becomes harder and harder to process it all. Our individual brains are lagging behind our collective technological and cultural possibilities. Many people seem overstrained with the demands that come with this now highly accelerated process of increased interconnectedness and civilization.

    To be honest, the above is a crude mixture of my own gut feeling and some superficial reading of several important 20th and 21st century thinkers.
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    The story that My mother told me that when I was four years old, my family had a new maid, I met her in the kitchen and I posed a question whether she was evil. In general, Human can be a good can be bad. They are good when they do a good thing, they are bad when they do a bad thing. My judgement is perhaps too general. I have a sense that I have little or even no knowledge about human that I have to study it from somebody else.

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    @.~*virinaĉo*~.@ Totenkindly's Avatar
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    Humans: Mostly good, or mostly bad?
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft
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    Humans are the most bizarre species on the planet and after studying the structure of the brain in a class, I realized it developed like a messy closet. I think the early stage abstract reasoning that humans have capacity for creates a lot of problems. It is like we have legs too long for our body. The ability to abstract away from reality creates a lot of the atrocities and large scale suffering because humans can't process the reality they create. Also, things like Dunbar's number that says humans can process empathetically around 150 individuals, like the number in a natural tribe, shows that we cannot process the reality of our current world. We are incapable of feeling empathy for the number of lives our choices impact in many cases.

    There is a deep imbalance in the perceptions of humans that place us at odds with our existence. We can't comprehend the impact of our choices or the nature of the realities we create. It will eventually be cause of our destruction.

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    Through space and time always another show, wondering where I am. I'm lost without you. Journey

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    As an anthropology major, I laws taught that humans are amazing creatures, capable of nothing short of the miraculous.

    But simply living in this world has taught me otherwise.

    It is true that human beings are capable of amazing feats, but you need to throw them into some truly horrific situations to encourage them to get up off the couch.
    And even once they do their brains are so simple that no matter the sort of the horrors they've experienced and overcome with others, as soon as it's over it's as if they've completely forgotten and go right back to hating and vilifying everyone else around them over the most insignificant non-issues, and acting as is if the most minor inconvenience is a 'violation of my rights!'.

    Most are utterly incapable of using reason, thinking in the long-term or even understanding that their own life experiences and perspective are not the one truly reality. Thus, I refer to them as 'hysteric apes' shrieking flinging shit at one another.
    “ Rise up and raise the iron roof off
    Now, Rise up and riot 'til the bomb drops
    Now, Rise up the time is right to sound off, so
    Rise with me, rise with me, rise with me (RISE UP!)”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    that was going to be my response...
    "The only intelligent tactical response to life’s horror is to laugh defiantly at it.”
    ― søren kierkegaard

    “Most men are not wicked... They are sleep-walkers, not evil evildoers.”
    ―franz kafka

    “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”
    ― kurt vonnegut

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    I think I'll quote Morgan Freeman's character, Somerset, from the film Se7en.

    "Ernest Hemingway once wrote, 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part."
    Wear the damn mask.
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    Humans are good but they are living in the prison of desires for temporal satisfactions.
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    Dail [or Daer] ú-[o] chyn [or fyn/thyn] [?] Ú-danno i failad a thi; an úben tannatha le failad.
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    Weary traveler Maou's Avatar
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    I would say that humans are animals masquerading as an superior species due to their intellect, which generates a bit of arrogance and idealism in terms of morality. Peel away society, and set any human into the wild and you will see just how fast they return to being an animal. Everything else is a side show to distract ourselves from our pointless lives, and use fake substitutes to satiate our primal desires that we cannot escape no matter how smart we become.
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