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    Default Is it weird to miss being psychotic even though it was hell?

    so you smoke weed, because for you it produces the symptoms and think it's a good compromise so you're only that way for a few hours then you go back to your life and able to function?
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    I read about people craving what is familiar, even if the familiar is a bad situation, rather than the novelty of a changed state.

    I'm sure there's something written about this by some of the guys who studied habit and habituation but I dont know for sure, the preference for the familiar over the novelty of a changed state that I'm aware of is some a different set of theories. I can say for sure that I've known a lot of people for whom that tendency to relapse into unhealthy states is pretty much a cert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I read about people craving what is familiar, even if the familiar is a bad situation, rather than the novelty of a changed state.
    The problem with applying this principle here is that psychosis is itself a novel, change-oriented state.

    Yes, I myself have a tendency to want to be psychotic, but given that I'm not psychotic most of the time, not being psychotic is the familiar state. But it feels like stagnation. It's boring. I like the feeling of having my unconscious kinda take over and send me on a magical adventure. Really. Yes some bits are hellish, and I don't want those to repeat, but a desire to experience a life of magic - as I suppose is the case here - is not simply about longing for familiarity.

    From what I understand, pot activates your mind down to the 8th function, then takes a step beyond that into the zone associated with self-actualisation. So the desire to become psychotic is about wanting to self-actualise and then self-transcend. Doing it the natural way (I mean through psychosis and other similar states) is probably preferable to doing it artificially with substances, but the forces of life which keep people out of touch with their unconscious (in this case we have anti-psychotics as a substantial component of that) can be such that bypassing that through simple means can be or seem like a great idea.

    I would say that anyone who enjoys the "mind-opening" drugs like pot and hallucinogens can understand why someone would want to become psychotic. Then there are the people who are strongly opposed to both, because they find the unconscious to be a threatening idea. These people are likely entrenched in their ego, and feel entitled to force their views onto others.

    To me, psychosis is about functioning on a higher level. Yes there's the kind of functioning that leads to someone being able to hold a 9-5 job, but then you realise that there's much more to life than that. High functioning now becomes about the ability to process life through a set of eyes which most people can't, or don't (want to) access. 8 circuits of consciousness - activating circuits 5-8 becomes increasingly rare and there's "plots" going on to keep people from doing it, but that's part of what it means to be a human and to take life to the next level. Spiritual systems throughout time have sought such states, but the materialism of the time, and the low-mindedness of those who won't access it become forces to contend with.

    So, this longing... it's a longing for the novel, really. A longing for intensity. A longing for experiential learning when book learning isn't doing the trick. A longing for contact - with the mind, with the minds of others, with the minds of non-physical beings, and non-entitic forces.

    Of course, I could be said to be romanticising psychosis. Am I? Humans have romanticised it throughout history, only it's only now that we've conjured up the term "psychosis" - a way of condemning that which one does not understand.

    And of course, it can be unpleasant. In tribal societies, when a person presented with psychotic symptoms, they were sent to the Shaman, because he'd been through all that and could guide the person through the experiences and on to becoming the next Shaman. But today we don't have that. So people fumble around in the dark, attempting to navigate the wild without a map. And that really can be dangerous. But danger shouldn't stop you, if what you can gain is well worth the risk. It's just that... it's necessary to take certain precautions, to integrate the lessons of the unconscious into your life so that it's not just about being in contact or out of contact, but in bridging the gap between the two so that higher life becomes the driving force even when living a lower life...



    [a disclaimer that there may be conceptual problems associated with the idea of having the unconscious take control; a large part is likely about not being overtaken by it but maintaining control yourself; Jung likely wrote on this idea]
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    Next time you want to get high, try listening to Loreena McKennitt and gazing at the moon.

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    Its possible to romanticize psychosis and there was the whole school of thought emerging on the back of RD Laing and Lacan (likely) that takes the "enjoy your symptoms" approach to things but Prpz was asking people what they thought about wishing to revisit a situation what was hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its possible to romanticize psychosis and there was the whole school of thought emerging on the back of RD Laing and Lacan (likely) that takes the "enjoy your symptoms" approach to things but Prpz was asking people what they thought about wishing to revisit a situation what was hell.
    I guess the inference from what I wrote is that it's not the hell that is being sought after, but rather the immersion in one's higher faculties which happen to have been entangled with negative experiences. There may be a sense of "it was difficult, but there's something there I need to find, something I want to find" - and then being brave enough to face those fears and jump back into the place where those things seem to be. It's kinda like the desire to set sail upon the rough seas in the hope of finding treasure, new lands etc. - The voyage may itself be hellish and dangerous, but the rewards one will get from facing the seas will presumably make it all worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I guess the inference from what I wrote is that it's not the hell that is being sought after, but rather the immersion in one's higher faculties which happen to have been entangled with negative experiences. There may be a sense of "it was difficult, but there's something there I need to find, something I want to find" - and then being brave enough to face those fears and jump back into the place where those things seem to be. It's kinda like the desire to set sail upon the rough seas in the hope of finding treasure, new lands etc. - The voyage may itself be hellish and dangerous, but the rewards one will get from facing the seas will presumably make it all worth it.
    I didn't get the reason why, or rather, didn't think about it. But yeah this makes sense
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    I do not think it is a normal thing, but I think it is an environment thing. It is normalcy to some people and normal, good or bad, is less frightening than the unknown. So I think some are drawn back. Especially if they are struggling. They may be aware of the negatives after the fact, but in the moment just don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Symphony View Post
    I do not think it is a normal thing, but I think it is an environment thing. It is normalcy to some people and normal, good or bad, is less frightening than the unknown. So I think some are drawn back. Especially if they are struggling. They may be aware of the negatives after the fact, but in the moment just don't care.
    I've been stable for the past 3-4 years so both have a sense of normalcy to me,

    edit: and I had been psychotic on and off for about 8-9 years before that
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    i think a lot of people have those feelings, but those feelings aren't a good indication of what is healthy... i am not saying that bit about "healthy" so much because of the short trips there via weed, but more because they often lead to people not talking their meds etc... when i was a kid, one of the kids i would hang out with saw "leprechauns"... it sort of slipped under the radar at first because people thought he just had an active imagination... well, as time passed they started telling him to do fucked up shit, and by the time he was in his late teens he was having probs with the law... i don't think he recieved treatment until his early twenties... anyhow, he sort of missed those times and had probs sticking with his meds... i have heard similar things from other people i have met in life who had a sort of love/hate relationship with it...

    i am not sure playing with it short term via weed is prudent, but i find nothing about the desire to do so weird... have you done any research into it? i am honestly not informed enough to have an opinion on anything more than the urge... you should talk to folks with personal experience in the area (if possible), aswell as mental health professionals... try to get the most accurate information possible so you can make informed choices when handling this....
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