[Type 5] Can 5s be badasses?

[Anew Leaf]

If you say the word "badass" enough, it begins to lose meaning. After reading this thread my mind has changed it to "bad ass" and now I have visions of wallmart asses dancing in my head.

As to the OP... No... Unless the 5 is an ISTP or something. He or she needs a cigarette hanging from their mouth, and a slow walk away from a giant explosion happening behind them.

 

[KDude]

Sinead O'Connor 5w4 Sx/Sp.

She's definitely badass, and non-fictional.

Not sure she's a 5 though. A lot of her hangups seem more cp 6w5 (err... maybe I'm biased. I type myself 6w5 too).

Kurt Cobain is not a badass. A self-absorbed junky who left a baby girl without a dad is what he is. No attempts of helping that guy ever worked. He just dwelled on problems. To make a direct comparison, Sinead has been abused as a child, and gloomy herself, is bi-polar, and still has kids, and still sticks around.

Just my 2c.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

She's definitely badass, and non-fictional.

Not sure she's a 5 though. A lot of her hangups seem more cp 6w5 (err... maybe I'm biased. I type myself 6w5 too).

She was shy and fought this, buy I don't see her as a 6 at all.

Kurt Cobain is not a badass. A self-absorbed junky who left a baby girl without a dad is what he is. No attempts of helping that guy ever worked. He just dwelled on problems. To make a direct comparison, Sinead has been abused as a child, and gloomy herself, is bi-polar, and still has kids, and still sticks around.

Just my 2c.

Hum, I think you're right on this.

 

[Starry]

I knew an INFJ 5w4 male...that while NOT a badass in his everyday life...when he got mad...holy shit...'something changed'.

It was rare he would ever actually say something verbally in these moments...like [MENTION=4806]violaine[/MENTION] 's INTJ 5. In fact, I feel that because he would not provide this anger with an outlet...because he was very attached to maintaining an relatively affable front...well...that is precisely what 'fed its force' (I'm not explaining this very well because it is a difficult thing to describe). Anyway...this wasn't a 'I'm going to hurt someone or cut someone down-to-size with my words' kind of anger - although I'm sure he could have easily done such a thing if he would have allowed himself. It was a 'I'm going to cause a natural disaster using only my mind' kind of anger (seriously...it would be as if lightening bolts and tornados were touching down all around him - his anger was like a tangible force. If someone could harness it...it could probably power Las Vegas for an evening). He was very much a badass when angry.

 

[Savage Idealist]

Leonardo Da Vinci was a 7. And Albert Einstien, badass? lol

I remember seeing someone present an argument on another forum explaining why Da Vinci was 5 as opposed to 7, I'll see if I can find it later.

And Albert Einstein is most certainly badass, not just in the conventional way that people interpret it; he revolutionaized the entire science of physics through sheer amounts of tenacity and studying, really the term badass bookworm might fit him better.

 

[Starry]

I'm kinda thinking of Thom Yorke right now. He can be sweet and charming in interviews...but I have also seen him 'flip a switch'...and present with that 'forceful and powerful e5 badassness'. Maybe e5s with a powerful connection to e8 are quite 'badass'.

 

[KDude]

I remember seeing someone present an argument on another forum explaining why Da Vinci was 5 as opposed to 7, I'll see if I can find it later.

And Albert Einstein is most certainly badass, not just in the conventional way that people interpret it; he revolutionaized the entire science of physics through sheer amounts of tenacity and studying, really the term badass bookworm might fit him better.

I think he's badass too for being somewhat of an underachiever and rebellious (educationally) early in life. But achieved what he did in his own time.

 

[Savage Idealist]

I think he's badass too for being somewhat of an underachiever and rebellious (educationally) early in life. But achieved what he did in his own time.

Agreed.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

And Albert Einstein is most certainly badass, not just in the conventional way that people interpret it; he revolutionaized the entire science of physics through sheer amounts of tenacity and studying, really the term badass bookworm might fit him better.

That's not badass.

 

[Owfin]

Yeah, Einstein isn't badass. Stephen Hawking is badass because he met an obstacle in life and thoroughly conquered it.

In that case, I think my idea of a badass is somebody who thoroughly conquers life.

 

[KDude]

Hawking hasn't actually provided nearly as much (solid ideas) to the world of science though. He's mostly popularized science - and is highly intelligent. Although, I agree his personal life is inspiring.

 

[KDude]

Oh, Einstein wasn't a bookworm. He formally failed at a lot of subjects. One of his teachers said he'd never amount to anything. And he dropped out once in his teens. Bookwormishness isn't what marked where his intelligence was per se. He was more of the contemplative, lost in "thought experiments" type. After school, he was turned down for every scientific and academic position he applied for (partly because he had cut so many classes that his professors badmouthed him everywhere), and his dad died thinking he was a failure. Einstein later achieved and altered everything we know about physics as a struggling assistant patent clerk, of all things. This guy started from that, to winning a Nobel prize, becoming an advisor to world leaders, and whose name - Einstein - has literally become synonymous with "genius". That's why he's badass.

 

[Viridian]

I still can't quite grasp the distinction between "badass", "cool" and "awesome" in this context... I mean, last year we had all those "Most Awesome XXXXs" (one thread per type) threads, and several characters were featured that were very cool but might not be considered "badass" per se, I think. So, I think we're ealing with some vague nomenclature here, as Saturned hinted.

The term is even more confusing when we're talking about real people, since we often don't see their badassery (and since there are no monsters trying to kill them ).

 

[Asterion]

Yeah, Einstein isn't badass. Stephen Hawking is badass because he met an obstacle in life and thoroughly conquered it.

In that case, I think my idea of a badass is somebody who thoroughly conquers life.

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I like that definition. You could argue that Einstein actually did conquer life though because he kind of beat the system.

 

[Richardsen]

Hannibal Lecter??? 5w4 Sx/So

And a real example would be Nietzche was quite a badass, i dont know much about his life, but i see toughness in him.

Patti Smith i wouldn't say that she is a badass but she is a tough... very tough woman 5w4 Sx/So

William Burroughs was quite a motherfucker too... but more reclusive

And John Lennon, despite of all his "imagine" "all you need is love" he was the badass of The Beatles

 

[CrystalViolet]

If you say the word "badass" enough, it begins to lose meaning. After reading this thread my mind has changed it to "bad ass" and now I have visions of wallmart asses dancing in my head.

As to the OP... No... Unless the 5 is an ISTP or something. He or she needs a cigarette hanging from their mouth, and a slow walk away from a giant explosion happening behind them.

Oh cool. Apart from the Istp part, I'm a little bit badass. Does starting a bonfire count?

 

[Elfboy]

Hannibal Lecter??? 5w4 Sx/So
And a real example would be Nietzche was quite a badass, i dont know much about his life, but i see toughness in him.

Patti Smith i wouldn't say that she is a badass but she is a tough... very tough woman 5w4 Sx/So

William Burroughs was quite a motherfucker too... but more reclusive

And John Lennon, despite of all his "imagine" "all you need is love" he was the badass of The Beatles

no philosopher is a bad ass.

 

[CrystalViolet]

OMG, wouldn't that make an awesome character in a book though!

 

[jixmixfix]

no philosopher is a bad ass.

Badass philosopher.

 

[Nicodemus]

And a real example would be Nietzche was quite a badass, i dont know much about his life, but i see toughness in him.

The philosopher was a badass, the person was clearly not.