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[Type 5] Self-Pres last 5s

Speed Gavroche

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I have here a list of Self pres last 5. I post it because Sp and 5 are often confonded and kind of hard to differentiate. I think that material can permit us to be more aware of the differences.

I had some questions for Self-pres or self-pres second 5: what common points do you find between theses people and you? What differences? How being self-pres last make them differ to you in your opinion?

This thread is also for Self-pres last 5, but they are very few on this board. I know that TWAW is a 5w4 Sx/So, Zarathoustra is probably a 5w6 Sx/So.

5w4 So/Sx
Jean Paul Satre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USsUQUTpYyA
Tim Burton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8x7Tuvd2BE
Stanley Kubrick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdKHuyhhyuM
Varg Vikernes-Burzum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgYsPkWJmdY
Jeanette Winterson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHyW1x5N5e4
Wes Anderson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaZi-dYgbF4
Ursula K Le Guin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPvksvIcIKs
Russ Hudson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2V3Oc7icgw
Alain Resnais http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTg_knL4cks
Vladimir Nabokov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wcB4RPasE
Simone de Beauvoir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHVTKy1cmuc
Al Joshua http://www.babelgum.com/3020682
Jim Dines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJpESM5c3c

Fictionals
Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUTBpK-Jcks
Beast (X-Men) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-XVT8nNcLs

5w4 Sx/So
John Lennon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJj2efChFk
William Burroughs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1U4EJdtgs
Patti Smith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8msBBzkJn_E
Oriana Fallaci http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/221
Clive Barker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM6-SIzMr3c

Fictional
Hannibal Lecter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePOmd0RB1w&feature=related

5w6 So/Sx
Douglass Adams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msAF_MDYWNE
Jeff Goldblum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mspEfYQxgYM
Lou Barlow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MSjNOrOC6E
Elvis Costello http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXWnw7-BHI
Donnie Iris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99unTKTZxo
Ben Folds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99unTKTZxo
Imogen Heap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MbyFELkXBw
Sara Maitland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzGrXjSEiIM

Fictionals
Mr Burns (Simpsons) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAIW3iUViXg
Charlie Epps (Numbers) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcYR4xCFydU
Dr Gregory House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XTJmxvfKo4
The Riddler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59gbbyn2HEs

5w6 Sx/So
Howard Hughes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez4rbj1AZGg
Brian Eno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm36ZxJboUI
Matt Bellamy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmLs38lqQQ
Stan Lee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc08gPCeD2U
Buddy Holly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQiIMuOKIzY
Thomas Dolby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ear_NPK-gxg
Nedha Patkar http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDG__6xjGQ
Leon Trotsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3nD5bFm3Jg

Fictional
Peter Parker/Spiderman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h11P-UvcgI





So, what's your mind about this?
 

Rasofy

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I'm a 5w6 sp/sx. From what I've seem:
5w6 so/sx's = more pleasant, more likeable. Hard not to like them.
5w6 sx/so's = more confident, more spontaneous. Seems they can talk and think at the same time without losing consistency.
In common...not much, to be honest! I hope someone else is able to detect it it. :)
 

Catharsis

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I'm a 5w4 Sx/So (heavy wing and sexual instinct made me think I was a 4w5), and relate to the mannerisms of Patti Smith, John Lennon and Matt Bellamy the most from the videos you posted. I can also see a bit of myself in Sx/Sp Kurt Cobain.
 

TaylorS

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Fuck, I'm the same E-type and variant as Hannibal Lecter??? :overreact:
 

small.wonder

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Alright, I'll take a crack at this because some people (IRL) still believe I'm 5w4 (instead of the inverse)-- either way, my wing is heavy. Naranjo, Ichazo and Beatrice Chestnut's (compiled) descriptions of Sx/So 4 and 5 are equally "me".

I'm not familiar with most of the people you used as examples, but I honestly don't resonate with most of the videos of the "Sx/So 5w4's" very much at all. The only one I do realate to a bit, is Clive Barker, because of his...speech pattern? The way he speaks, the fluidity, his inflection and the way he forms thoughts (and injects/responds to jokes)-- the way it's analytical but also warm. It actually reminds me specifically of how I sound when I talk about "my stuff", or topics I know a heck ton about. Interesting!
 

ARET45

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Self-pres last 5 could seem like a bit of a contradiction. The classic depiction of 5, is that they want to withdraw for security. The self-preservation last 5 might seem more like another type at first, like 4, 6, 8, 9.
 

mintleaf

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Of the ones I'm familiar with, the only (alleged) 5w4 so/sx I like at all is Ursula K. Le Guin. I haven't read much of her work, but I did read a few of her personal essays months ago and copied down this passage:

"But when people walk on me you can see exactly where they put their feet, and when huge heavy things come and stand on me I yield and react and respond and give way and adapt and accept. No explosives are called for. No admiration is called for. I have my own nature and am true to it just as much as granite or even diamond is, but it is not a hard nature, or upstanding, or gemlike. You can't chip it. It's deeply impressionable. It's squashy.

Maybe the people who rope themselves together and the huge heavy things resent such adaptable and uncertain footing because it makes them feel insecure. Maybe they fear they might be sucked in and swallowed. But I am not interested in sucking and am not hungry. I am just mud. I yield. I do try to oblige. And so when the people and the huge heavy things walk away they are not changed, except their feet are muddy, but I am changed. I am still here and still mud, but all full of footprints and deep, deep holes and tracks and traces and changes. I have been changed. You change me. Do not take me for granite."

lol the last sentence kinda makes me cringe. I think this was in response to people accusing her of being emotionless or aloof or something. I'm not sure.

Sounds more like a 9 than a typical 5, but I definitely believe 5s can feel this way, especially those who lack the grounded, rooted nature of sp.
 

Elfboy

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Hannibal is an 8
 

GavinElster

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I think there's often a tendency to conflate head type with sp stuff, like 6 seeking security, 5 withdrawing to fortress, etc. There's no reason to think of head type that way.

At the core, head type is about an anxiety arising from making decisions in the world. E7s have tough time figuring out if something they're involved in is good enough, they keep moving on fearing to be placed in a cage or some similar thing.
E6s seek a secure foundation that won't leave them, and this is the central theme of head.

E6 concerns are often painted as about things like harm and threat, but I'd say it is much more consistent to place this as a sp thing, as after all, self-preservation is quite literally a survival instinct.

Thus, I have no problem with 5 non-sp types, they're not even surprising or noteworthy. 5 mirrors 4's inner insubstantiality, but comes at it from a head type perspective. There's a line to 7 because the same thing which makes 7 unsure about investing too much in a given thing afflicts 5, it's just 5 is on the scarcity side and 7 is on the abundance side.
 
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