[Type 2] No love for type 2's?

[ICUP]

2s get overlooked because they are weak and overly dependent on people. their overlly altruistic tendencies often keep them from achieving power, money or success. they're around it'sjust that no one wants to be one

The way that you wrote this, from the beginning, states that 2's in general have altruistic tendencies, which I am supposing that you mean they don't expect to get paid for their services. Altruism is a renunciation of the self, and 2's don't give up the self.... Upon reading in my enneagram books about 2's, they EXPECT payment in some form for their giving (pretty much why I avoid a lot of them irl.... I don't need to be given to, and I have no interest in being indebted to someone. Two's can be demanding in that way lol, and I can prove that just by looking at my mil). Being a 6w5 who is very independent leads me to see easily that my mil expects alot in return for services, that I expect very little in-return for. Some 2w3's tend to think that their very presence can be enough to demand some sort of payment in return. Very few human beings are truly altruistic. LoL...... as far as dependency, I agree that people-as-a-whole agree that interdependency is healthy and dependency is not, so you are also assuming here that 2's are mostly dependent, and therefore, unhealthy. They are no more unhealthy as a whole than any other type. Imo, yes, all people are overly-dependent, and I perhaps should've clarified that on a personal level, I think they are. Dependency can be seen from different perspectives, of course.

As for the rest of the things you claim you never stated, you said them in the way you wrote the sentence. Unspoken. And some of it, apparently you can't see the reasoning behind it, but that is expected.

As far as health and weakness go, a teeter-tottery 4 can be broken just as easily as a 2.... people looking for victims look for those with poor values and with unhealthy dispositions, things they can easily prey on and manipulate, and use. And those things are what weaken us, not personality type.

Furthermore, I totally disagree that 8's don't get hired as managers. That's funny to me, considering that I live with one. Corporations can thrive with 8 managers.

 

[Giggly]

I'm 2w3 and I rule.

Some threads I remember:

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/enneagram/23403-enneagram-2s-8s.html

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/enneagram/14779-enneagram-2s.html

 

[Haven]

that elfboy does a lot of shit talking. Only 8s are so eager to put others down. It figures too because 2s are really good at making 8s look bad.

And whether or not a 2 is overlooked is generally up to the 2. Sometimes going unnoticed has its perks. Dealing with people takes finesse, and 2s have lots of it. Some 2s are complete attention whores.

 

[knight]

exactly, but it starts with being selfish. being altruistic is like giving away your seeds before you collect the harvest. selfishness is sustainable, selflessness needs to everyone becoming poor. giving is well and good, but giving because you WANT to, not because you feel like you have to.

to a degree that you are not compromising and undermining yourself, yes.

 

[Haven]

2s get overlooked because they are weak and overly dependent on people. their overlly altruistic tendencies often keep them from achieving power, money or success. they're around it'sjust that no one wants to be one

Spoken like a true 8 who knows nothing of what it means to be a 2, or altruistic for that matter :hi:

 

[ICUP]

Spoken like a true 8 who knows nothing of what it means to be a 2, or altruistic for that matter :hi:

He's a 4...... 8's are generally more realistic than elfboy. He's in lala-land lol.....

 

[Haven]

he's being realistic, or at least trying to be. But no, 4s are not nearly as crass.

 

[Magic Poriferan]

I feel like I have a harder time finding 3s than 2s. And for that matter, I never really find any other type 1s in person.

 

[ICUP]

he's being realistic, or at least trying to be. But no, 4s are not nearly as crass.

He claims he is a 4w3.

 

[Magic Poriferan]

that is SO not true. I know tons of 2s. the rarest types are 5, 4 and 8

My personal experience is that I'm swimming in 4s and 5s. Have I somehow wound up in a deviant pool of acquaintances?

I'm 2w3 and I rule.

Yes, you do.

I'm happy 2s exist.

He claims he is a 4w3.

He's also wrong a lot.

 

[ICUP]

He's also wrong a lot.

Ha, I haven't paid any attention.

 

[Elfboy]

that elfboy does a lot of shit talking. Only 8s are so eager to put others down. It figures too because 2s are really good at making 8s look bad.

And whether or not a 2 is overlooked is generally up to the 2. Sometimes going unnoticed has its perks. Dealing with people takes finesse, and 2s have lots of it. Some 2s are complete attention whores.

so are 6s, 1s, unhealthy 2s, unhealthy 4s, unhealthy 3s and unhealthy 7s. one can hardly narrow it down to 8

 

[skylights]

i think type 2s often end up in nurturing roles - parent, nurse, teacher - and as such might not be front and center.

i know a good representation of 2s IRL myself. several are teachers, or in training to be educators. one is training to be a nurse. another is getting her CPA. i have great love for quite a few of them.

as for on the forum - they're probably one of the types less given to wasting time on the internets by nature.

Because they're probably out helping people in the real world?

 

[Thunderbringer]

Well, I don't have any empirical evidence that proves that 2's are not very common but looking at this site (which I know has some typings wrong):

http://pastebin.com/gsAhzZqW

2's are the second least common type amongst many celebrities after 4's. That isn't to say this site is a reflection of the general populace but it's a good starting point to seeing how big the rift is amongst each type.

 

[Haven]

8s are naturals at it though, and it seems to be your default mode, considering other threads you have started that seem to be dedicated to putting others down. I'm not saying you're an unhealthy type, I'm saying you're a regular 8. This is fairly normal behavior for 8s looking for a quick ego boost.

Some types are just better at being in the spotlight. Sarah Palin is probably my favorite person of my type.

 

[Elfboy]

8s are naturals at it though, and it seems to be your default mode, considering other threads you have started that seem to be dedicated to putting others down. I'm not saying you're an unhealthy type, I'm saying you're a regular 8. This is fairly normal behavior for 8s looking for a quick ego boost.

could you give some examples? in particular, if you're talking about the "Does it suck being an SJ?" thread, that was made for educational purposes. apparently, I have a habit of sounding much more harsh and personal that I usually intend to (although you could be right, this might be 8).

 

[Elfboy]

anyway, more on 2s. 2s are overlooked for a number of reasons
1) they usually don't favor positions that are glamorous or attention grabbing
2) typology central doesn't have a lot of them
3) 2s are less likely to be interested in typology, which I would assume would appeal mostly to 4s, 5s and 9s.
4) 2s tend to be more group oriented and have less of a desire to stand out than say, 4s and 8s

 

[Thunderbringer]

anyway, more on 2s. 2s are overlooked for a number of reasons
1) they usually don't favor positions that are glamorous or attention grabbing
2) typology central doesn't have a lot of them
3) 2s are less likely to be interested in typology, which I would assume would appeal mostly to 4s, 5s and 9s.
4) 2s tend to be more group oriented and have less of a desire to stand out than say, 4s and 8s

Even if this is all true, my question is really why aren't they more prominent in movies, especially as heroes, or as music stars or even as a recurring member in TV shows. In fact, the main reason why I made this thread was that I recently watched a movie called Crush, where the main villain was an obsessive 2. That in turn reminded me of Roommate and Single White Female, which again, had an obsessive roommate as the main villain. There's also Obsessed and Misery, which again has the crazy 2 as the main antagonist. All I really want is to see more heroic 2's and have some diversity in their lineup other than obsessed villains. About the most heroic 2 I've seen in movies would be Hagrid from Harry Potter and that's pretty much it, not to mention he's more of a side character than anything.

 

[Viridian]

Bit of a tangent, but does anyone else have a nagging* suspicion that Vicky Jo Varner is an INFJ 2w1?

* No pun intended.

 

[Giggly]

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