[Type 9] Sx/So 9, how does it looks like?

[Speed Gavroche]

Seems like a very weird combination. I would be curious to know how it looks like.

I've seen that on the Enneagram Underground:

Sexual/Social


This subtype of Nine may appear least like a stereotypical Nine because the outward sexual and social energies obscure some of the withdrawing and "zoning out" tendencies of the Nine. These Nines are the most connected and assertive of the subtypes of Nine, especially when it comes to relationships. There is still some internal struggle, as with the sexual/self-pres, but overall there is less of a tendency to withdraw. With the self-pres instinct last, this subtype can neglect self-preservational needs in favor of the intensity of their sexual instinct's pursuits. Individuals of this subtype could easily be mistaken for the dominant wing, because the sexual energy tends to flow in a manner similar to the energy of the wing. A Nine with a One wing would therefore appear more One-like and a Nine with Eight might be mistaken for an Eight.

The central conflict for these Nines will still be in the realm of close intimate relationships and these Nines will have many of the same issues and challenges as the sexual/self-pres Nines.

I've seen on PersonalityCafe that Luke Skywalker (IxFP) is a 9w1 Sx/So. What about 9w8? The sexual 9 is known as the "Union" type, who merge with peoples in intimate relationships and know his partern's need more than his ones. The social 9 is the "Peripheral Participation" type, who alternates between merging with groups and being disengaged. I think a sx/so 9 could be a very outgoing and self-forgetting type of people, possibly concern with justice, in a more ethical and perfectionist way if he is 9w1, in a more strong and "justiciary" way if he is 9w8. Or at the contrary, very calm and disengaged from group yet very intense and assertive. The Sx/So 9 can be very assertive when connecting in 3, especially when he's 9w8. I can see a public philosopher 9w1 Sx/So and a rock star 9w8 sx/so for example.

I've supected a few peoples to be sx/so 9:

Linus Van Pelt from The Peanuts (INTP)
Billy Idol (9w8, ESTP)
Daniel Jackson from Stargate, the 1994 movie (INTP)
John Lennon (INTP)
Mrs Norbury from Mean Girls (9w1, INFJ)

What's your mind about this? How can be a Sx/So in your opinion? Do you know any? Have you some famous examples? Thank you!

 

[KDude]

I test often as 9w8 sx/so (or 4 or 6). i'm not sure what to think about the 9 descriptions though. especially about merging. that doesn't line up with me. are you saying that 9w8 doesn't "merge" like a 9w1 does?

 

[Speed Gavroche]

I test often as 9w8 sx/so (or 4 or 6). i'm not sure what to think about the 9 descriptions though. especially about merging. that doesn't sit well with me.

Well, if you're not merging, you are probably not a 9. Merging seems a central them for 9s... I'm not a specialist though.

are you saying that 9w8 doesn't "merge" like a 9w1 does?

I don't know.

 

[KDude]

Well, if you're not merging, you are probably not a 9. Merging seems a central them for 9s... I'm not a specialist though.

my urge is to not have anything nice to say about it actually...i recoil at the whole idea. i think it's weird for a Fi individualist type like ISFP to correspond with 9. why would any isfp merge with people?

 

[Salomé]

John Lennon (INTP)

9w8 or 9w1?

Why d'you say he's sx/so?

 

[JocktheMotie]

9w8 or 9w1?

Why d'you say he's sx/so?

sx/so people tend to be social movers, and champions of social change. sx/sp tend to focus their libido more into the realm of the self.

sx/so
This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this subvariant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this subvariant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.
Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.
Familiar roles: provocateur, activist, exhibitionish
Examples of sx/so: Madonna, John Lennon, Yukio Mishima, Robin Williams, Drew Barrymore, Richard Simmons, Elvis, Bono, George Michael, Sinead O'Connor, Joan of Arc.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

9w8 or 9w1?

9w1.

Though he can be a 5w4.

sx/so people tend to be social movers, and champions of social change

I'am an Sx/So!

 

[Salomé]

9w1.

Though he can be a 5w4.

I can see the latter more than the former...

 

[Rail Tracer]

Maybe a 9 sx/so look more like an 8 or 1?

It sounds easier once we begin reading the descriptions of either 1 or 8 since the description of a 9 sx/so is practically telling us that we act more like our wings than the other variant types.

Although Ones have a strong sense of purpose, they also typically feel that they have to justify their actions to themselves, and often to others as well. This orientation causes Ones to spend a lot of time thinking about the consequences of their actions, as well as about how to keep from acting contrary to their convictions. Because of this, Ones often persuade themselves that they are “head” types, rationalists who proceed only on logic and objective truth. But, the real picture is somewhat different: Ones are actually activists who are searching for an acceptable rationale for what they feel they must do. They are people of instinct and passion who use convictions and judgments to control and direct themselves and their actions.

In the effort to stay true to their principles, Ones resist being affected by their instinctual drives, consciously not giving in to them or expressing them too freely. The result is a personality type that has problems with repression, resistance, and aggression. They are usually seen by others as highly self- controlled, even rigid, although this is not how Ones experience themselves. It seems to them that they are sitting on a cauldron of passions and desires, and they had better “keep the lid on” lest they and everyone else around them regret it.

Ones believe that being strict with themselves (and eventually becoming “perfect”) will justify them in their own eyes and in the eyes of others. But by attempting to create their own brand of perfection, they often create their own personal hell. Instead of agreeing with the statement in Genesis that God saw what He had created, “and it was good,” Ones intensely feel that “It wasn’t—there obviously have been some mistakes here!” This orientation makes it difficult for them to trust their inner guidance—indeed, to trust life—so Ones come to rely heavily on their superego, a learned voice from their childhood, to guide them toward “the greater good” which they so passionately seek. When Ones have gotten completely entranced in their personality, there is little distinction between them and this severe, unforgiving voice. Separating from it and seeing its genuine strengths and limitations is what growth for Ones is about.

 

[BlackCat]

This might be a longshot, but I think that Wrex from Mass Effect is a 9w8 sx/so.

YouTube - Wrex in an Elevator - Mass Effect PC

 

[InTheFlesh]

Can someone define "merging"? I'm a 9w8, but I've never been able to understand what people or books meant when using that term.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

This might be a longshot, but I think that Wrex from Mass Effect is a 9w8 sx/so.

YouTube - Wrex in an Elevator - Mass Effect PC

Interesting. Why do you think he is Sx/So?

One guy I suspect to be a 9w8 Sx/So is Billy Idol:
[youtube=7jxsfsIwc38]Billy Idol - Interview[/youtube]

He have the raw charisma of the Sx/So and he's often typed as a 8. But I think it's mistype because 9w8 Sx/So are likely to be mistyped as 8. I've read a little about him and every peoples who've met him say he is very kind. He can appears a little megalomanic, talking about him at the 3rd person, but he probably don't take things so seriously. In the video, see how he answer to the question "are you violent", but actually he was often criticised as not enough violent to be a "true punk".

 

[BlackCat]

Interesting. Why do you think he is Sx/So?

Wrex just seems to have that nonchalant accepting attitude that 9's have, but also has a strong 8 side to him (sx/so pronouncing that more). He isn't afraid of confrontation and solves everything with violence in the typical Krogan way, but doesn't think of when not to be violent and preserve lives that may be useful (sp last perhaps).

He also doesn't really seem to be a social last. He is up to date on the politics of his people and of other races, and cares a lot about his race as a whole.

I also think that he's ISTP. I'm assuming you played it right? lol

Here is what I have for 9w8 and 9w1 sx/so-

9w8-

9w8 sx/so Paula Abdul YouTube - Paula Abdul on Letterman
9w8 sx/so Sheryl Crow YouTube - Sheryl Crow interview on Ellen Degeneres 03-17-2008
9w8 sx/so Bob Marley YouTube - Bob Marley Talks - Dreadlocks
9w8 sx/so Maria Muldaur YouTube - Maria Muldaur (1 of 8) - Childhood in the Village
9w8 sx/so Brigitte Bardot YouTube - Brigitte Bardot interview 60s
9w8 sx/so Melissa Etheridge YouTube - Melissa Etheridge Interview on Wetten, dass ...?
9w8 sx/so Matthew McConaughey YouTube - Matthew McConaughey interview for Failure to Launch
9w8 sx/so Janis Joplin YouTube - janis joplin interview
9w8 sx/so Liz Phair YouTube - Liz Phair - Breakfast With The Arts Interview
9w8 sx/so Alice Walker YouTube - Riz Khan - Alice Walker - 15 Oct 07

9w1-

9w1 sx/so Tom Petty YouTube - Tom Petty - Tokyo Interview in `86
9w1 sx/so Karen Carpenter YouTube - Carpenters & Olivia Newton John interview 1981- legendado
9w1 sx/so Ansel Adams YouTube - Ansel Adams part3
9w1 sx/so Bela Karolyi YouTube - Interview with Bela Karolyi
9w1 sx/so Lisa Kudrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTqEpXeebJE
9w1 sx/so Becky Quick YouTube - Becky Quick & Joe Kernen discuss his PJ's
9w1 sx/so Katherine Heigl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcJnkipXZNE
9w1 sx/so Henry Fonda YouTube - Henry Fonda Talks about his casting in Once Upon A Time in the West
9w1 sx/so Mia Farrow YouTube - Eye To Eye: Mia Farrow (CBS News)
9w1 sx/so Morihei Ueshiba http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRg70LHrMsQ
9w1 sx/so Igor Stravinsky YouTube - Stravinsky Part Of Interview About Le Sacre du Printemps
9w1 sx/so Melissa Auf Der Maur YouTube - Exclusive Interview: Auf Der Maur as Artist of the Day...

EDIT: Damnit Jock! You totally ruined everything except didn't.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

Here is what I have for 9w8 and 9w1 sx/so-

9w8-

9w8 sx/so Paula Abdul YouTube - Paula Abdul on Letterman
9w8 sx/so Sheryl Crow YouTube - Sheryl Crow interview on Ellen Degeneres 03-17-2008
9w8 sx/so Bob Marley YouTube - Bob Marley Talks - Dreadlocks
9w8 sx/so Maria Muldaur YouTube - Maria Muldaur (1 of 8) - Childhood in the Village
9w8 sx/so Brigitte Bardot YouTube - Brigitte Bardot interview 60s
9w8 sx/so Melissa Etheridge YouTube - Melissa Etheridge Interview on Wetten, dass ...?
9w8 sx/so Matthew McConaughey YouTube - Matthew McConaughey interview for Failure to Launch
9w8 sx/so Janis Joplin YouTube - janis joplin interview
9w8 sx/so Liz Phair YouTube - Liz Phair - Breakfast With The Arts Interview
9w8 sx/so Alice Walker YouTube - Riz Khan - Alice Walker - 15 Oct 07

9w1-

9w1 sx/so Tom Petty YouTube - Tom Petty - Tokyo Interview in `86
9w1 sx/so Karen Carpenter YouTube - Carpenters & Olivia Newton John interview 1981- legendado
9w1 sx/so Ansel Adams YouTube - Ansel Adams part3
9w1 sx/so Bela Karolyi YouTube - Interview with Bela Karolyi
9w1 sx/so Lisa Kudrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTqEpXeebJE
9w1 sx/so Becky Quick YouTube - Becky Quick & Joe Kernen discuss his PJ's
9w1 sx/so Katherine Heigl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcJnkipXZNE
9w1 sx/so Henry Fonda YouTube - Henry Fonda Talks about his casting in Once Upon A Time in the West
9w1 sx/so Mia Farrow YouTube - Eye To Eye: Mia Farrow (CBS News)
9w1 sx/so Morihei Ueshiba http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRg70LHrMsQ
9w1 sx/so Igor Stravinsky YouTube - Stravinsky Part Of Interview About Le Sacre du Printemps
9w1 sx/so Melissa Auf Der Maur YouTube - Exclusive Interview: Auf Der Maur as Artist of the Day...

Great list!

9w8 are quite 8ish and 9w1 are quite 1ish... Most part of them seem ExFx, there's a few I and N also. I had a flash when I've seen Brigitte Bardot and seen how her and Miley Cyrus (Sx/Sp 9w8) are similar.

Have you a few explanations about why they are Sx/So for you?

Wrex just seems to have that nonchalant accepting attitude that 9's have, but also has a strong 8 side to him (sx/so pronouncing that more). He isn't afraid of confrontation and solves everything with violence in the typical Krogan way, but doesn't think of when not to be violent and preserve lives that may be useful (sp last perhaps).

He also doesn't really seem to be a social last. He is up to date on the politics of his people and of other races, and cares a lot about his race as a whole.

I also think that he's ISTP. I'm assuming you played it right? lol

Yes, I can see that. And, by the way, I think know that Chewbacca is a 9w8 Sx/So. He can looks like a 8 because he's very strong and choleric. But he's also nochalant and laid-back, very selfless and forgetting of his own needs. He's totally devoted to Han because of his "debt of life", and he's also involved in group causes, like the Intergalactic Alliance of course, but before that, the defense of wookies against the evil trandoshans slave dealer. As SP las, he is very brutal and can be flaky and unpractical. He's also ESFP while Luke is a 9w1 Sx/So, and ISFP.

Maybe also Paul Newman?

 

[Halfjillhalfjack]

Wrex just seems to have that nonchalant accepting attitude that 9's have, but also has a strong 8 side to him (sx/so pronouncing that more). He isn't afraid of confrontation and solves everything with violence in the typical Krogan way, but doesn't think of when not to be violent and preserve lives that may be useful (sp last perhaps).

He also doesn't really seem to be a social last. He is up to date on the politics of his people and of other races, and cares a lot about his race as a whole.

I also think that he's ISTP. I'm assuming you played it right? lol

Here is what I have for 9w8 and 9w1 sx/so-

9w8-

9w8 sx/so Paula Abdul YouTube - Paula Abdul on Letterman
9w8 sx/so Sheryl Crow YouTube - Sheryl Crow interview on Ellen Degeneres 03-17-2008
9w8 sx/so Bob Marley YouTube - Bob Marley Talks - Dreadlocks
9w8 sx/so Maria Muldaur YouTube - Maria Muldaur (1 of 8) - Childhood in the Village
9w8 sx/so Brigitte Bardot YouTube - Brigitte Bardot interview 60s
9w8 sx/so Melissa Etheridge YouTube - Melissa Etheridge Interview on Wetten, dass ...?
9w8 sx/so Matthew McConaughey YouTube - Matthew McConaughey interview for Failure to Launch
9w8 sx/so Janis Joplin YouTube - janis joplin interview
9w8 sx/so Liz Phair YouTube - Liz Phair - Breakfast With The Arts Interview
9w8 sx/so Alice Walker YouTube - Riz Khan - Alice Walker - 15 Oct 07

9w1-

9w1 sx/so Tom Petty YouTube - Tom Petty - Tokyo Interview in `86
9w1 sx/so Karen Carpenter YouTube - Carpenters & Olivia Newton John interview 1981- legendado
9w1 sx/so Ansel Adams YouTube - Ansel Adams part3
9w1 sx/so Bela Karolyi YouTube - Interview with Bela Karolyi
9w1 sx/so Lisa Kudrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTqEpXeebJE
9w1 sx/so Becky Quick YouTube - Becky Quick & Joe Kernen discuss his PJ's
9w1 sx/so Katherine Heigl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcJnkipXZNE
9w1 sx/so Henry Fonda YouTube - Henry Fonda Talks about his casting in Once Upon A Time in the West
9w1 sx/so Mia Farrow YouTube - Eye To Eye: Mia Farrow (CBS News)
9w1 sx/so Morihei Ueshiba http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRg70LHrMsQ
9w1 sx/so Igor Stravinsky YouTube - Stravinsky Part Of Interview About Le Sacre du Printemps
9w1 sx/so Melissa Auf Der Maur YouTube - Exclusive Interview: Auf Der Maur as Artist of the Day...

EDIT: Damnit Jock! You totally ruined everything except didn't.

wow....do you also happen to have such good examples of 9w8 sx/sp, 9w1 sx/sp, 9w8 so/sx and 9w1 so/sx ?

 

[Speed Gavroche]

wow....do you also happen to have such good examples of 9w8 sx/sp, 9w1 sx/sp, 9w8 so/sx and 9w1 so/sx ?

9w8 Sx/Sp

Angel from BTVS/Angel
Jimi Hendrix
Miley Cyrus

9w1 Sx/Sp

Carl Jung
Yoda

9w8 So/Sx
Selma Blair
Brad Pitt
Bill Clinton

9w1 So/Sx
Walt Disney
Santa Claus

 

[Halfjillhalfjack]

9w8 Sx/Sp

Angel from BTVS/Angel
Jimi Hendrix
Miley Cyrus

9w1 Sx/Sp

Carl Jung
Yoda

9w8 So/Sx
Selma Blair
Brad Pitt
Bill Clinton

9w1 So/Sx
Walt Disney
Santa Claus

Thanx a lot...!

 

[pyode]

9w1 sx/so.

This is me. It has taken me forever to find my type. I have recently run into the subtypes and I finally got somewhere. Aspects of 9 really resonate with me, and then there are aspects that I don't identify with at all. I don't feel near as lazy as my 9 friends and yet I zone out often. And yet when I read the 1 descriptors, I know that is not me either. I am an socially active person and my 1 wing is really strong, but I merge like crazy. It creates a lot of internal conflict.

 

[Avocado]

9w8 Sx/Sp

Angel from BTVS/Angel
Jimi Hendrix
Miley Cyrus

9w1 Sx/Sp

Carl Jung
Yoda

9w8 So/Sx
Selma Blair
Brad Pitt
Bill Clinton

9w1 So/Sx
Walt Disney
Santa Claus

Santa is 2w1. Pride if I ever saw it.

 

[Mind Maverick]

@Speed GavrocheWhat source is this excerpt from?

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my urge is to not have anything nice to say about it actually...i recoil at the whole idea. i think it's weird for a Fi individualist type like ISFP to correspond with 9. why would any isfp merge with people?

Yeah. The systems won't overlap perfectly. I don't really get how it works either, tbh.

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Can someone define "merging"? I'm a 9w8, but I've never been able to understand what people or books meant when using that term.

Essentially shifting into an "identity" which is comprised of the absence of the self and the conformity to the individual who is the focal point. Taking on either traits that they have (mirroring) or conforming to their tastes, preferences, things that are complimentary to their traits which fills "gaps" in a connection also. Example: [A] annoys Sue. 9 becomes someone who (does / is) not [A].

...this reminds me of how I moved to an entirely different state by myself for some space and separation in order to discover who I was without my father and brother, since my entire life was spent conforming to them (mostly my father) and I entirely lost my sense of self. After being out on my own and still away from any Sx connections for 4 years I only found that there is nothing: I am merely an adaptation to the external, like a color picker tool waiting to be told by outside influential factors such as compatibility, their preference, etc. which color to select and around which person. (I'm So Blind also, and I think that combined with what I just said is the reason why it's awkward as hell when two people I know, who don't know each other, meet. Around Joe I'm red, around Tom I'm green. Not every color combines well and it makes it difficult to figure out which one to be if they're together, not to mention they at times have compatibility issues with each other.)