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    Milo Yiannopoulis…EIE-Fe 3w2 sx/sp (The Expansive-Self-Confident Gestalt)



    Damon Dash...SLE-Se 6w7 so/sx (The Pugnacious-Self-Protective Gestalt)



    Buddy Rich...LIE-Ni 7w6 sx/so (The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt)



    Frankie Fraser...SLE-Ti 8w7 sp/sx (The Savage-Aggressive Gestalt)

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    An unconventional but robust method of enneagram typing I've dubbed "The death method" is to look for the "thing" the person put their lives on the line for or would foreseeably put their lives on the line for....where potentially trading in their lives for this "thing" is treated like a worthwhile deal and the ego presents the self with convincing arguments....its hard to resist going for it when the time comes whereas to other types it appears crazy and defies rational calculation.

    For the 3w4, the thing is deception. Rachel Dolezal a 3w4 was willing to ruin her career in order to deceive people as to her racial identity.

    For the 8, the thing is power/might/supremacy. Death or imprisonment was worth it to Napoleon for an opportunity to fight and defeat all of Europe and be at the top of the mountain. Acquiring greater might in the form of nuclear weapons was worth it for Saddam even if it put him at risk of extreme economic sanctions by the US.

    For the 1, the thing is wrath.....the quest for resolution of one's hatreds through revenge and punitiveness gives the 1's life meaning and purpose.

    For the 7....it's going too far in the desire to subvert norms in one's position against "God."

    And with that, I turn to the following examples: Phoolan Devi & Courtney Love (Both so'x and SLE-Se). I chose it that way so as to really highlight the contrast in action sets. More on SLE and So'x:

    As SLEs, both are naturally athletic, competitive, tough, lots of take charge energy, animalistic, likes to fight, likes to rehearse, thrives in confrontation and is very territorial. As SO'Xs, the soc-variant intensifies each type’s core gestalt and the sx-variant softens each type’s core gestalt. The social variant’s intensification is rooted in the soc’s drive to immortalize themselves (or an aspect of themselves) into the social ether by affecting the culture/world in a large way. This intensification also includes a vigilanteism in the context of not letting anything stand in the way of this. Sp-second hardens and optimizes the soc- first’s agenda towards immortalization. so/sp-terroristic.Sx-instinct softens the soc’s intensification. the intensification of gestalt is still there but frequently gets thwarted/re-channeled/rerouted through an energetic merger with others -- so/sx vigilanteism shows up more frequently inside of the social web, for better or worse. (behaviorally so/sx shifts between libertine-militant extremes thus making for a more disorganized, splayed out, edgier version relative to other stackings for that same type/wing).

    Phoolan Devi...SLE-Se 1w9 so/sx



    Area of Fixation: Retribution

    "Born into a poor family in rural Uttar Pradesh, Phoolan endured poverty as a child and had an unsuccessful marriage before taking to a life of crime. Having developed major differences with her parents and her husband alike, the teenage Phoolan sought escape by running away and joining a gang of bandits."

    "The victorious rival faction, who were Rajputs, took Phoolan to their village of Behmai, confined her in a room, and took turns to rape her repeatedly over several days. After escaping (or being let off), Phoolan rejoined the remnants of her dead lover's faction, took another lover from among those men, and continued with banditry. A few months later, her new gang descended upon the village of Behmai to exact revenge for what she had suffered.[2][3] As many as twenty-two Rajput men belonging to that village were lined up in a row and shot dead by Phoolan's gang. Her victims were men who were known to have previously repeatedly gang raped her.

    Her act of revenge - the Behmai massacre was potrayed by the press as an act of righteous rebellion."


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    Courtney Love....SLE-Se 7w8 so/sx

    For Enneagram, Love is a great example of the Enterprising-Rebellious Gestalt:



    "I was trying to negotiate the world on the world's terms and trying to subvert some sort of archetype because I had so much insecurity about that archetype in my own life..."

    "This whole worshipping at the altar of beauty is ridiculous."

    "It's sort of a quantum vulnerability where you really are exposing something, it's like aha what are you going to do kind of thing, come here, fuck with me, I'm only hanging upside down on a cross."

    "I want to be Christ..."

    "I wanted the prize! I might get the prize. And if I don't get the prize I'll be kind of sad. But I'll have gone down as being some point in revlution that is a reference point to whoever gets the prie. The prize is the crown passed from man to man to man in Rock n Roll. The prize is to get that crown and everything that goes with it."

    "I want ot effect Culture in a very large way. If I die without having 2 or 3 brilliant rock songs, I don't know why I lived my life."

    "Be the football captain."

    Not quite a core 8 as she is a little too soft and self-indulgent (the most soft and self-indulgent 8w7 gets is the sx/so variant like Griselda Blanco, who was still quite ruthless)....also, Love is/was a drug addict, had difficulty kicking the habit, smokes like a chimney, does yoga, chants to buddha, gravitates in her weight, seems at the complete mercy of appetites, has had numerous work done on her face (body issues), easily cries during interviews, has a lot of friends, is popular.

    It's worth refreshing as to core differences between 7w8 and 8w7.

    Dominance is a means to an end for 7w8s, not an end in itself. Being at the top of the mountain gives 7w8s the means to enjoy the finer things in life. [For the 1, dominance is a means for having the power to dish out retribution.] for 8w7, dominance is an end, and not a means to some other goal. Napoleon was not fighting for that spot at the top for any ulterior motive. The more power the 7w8 accumulates the softer they get as they become more gluttonous in their desire to hedonistically indulge. the more power 8w7 accumulates their ruthlessness increases incrementally as as to consolidate and expand.

    the 7w8's downfall comes about because their plans become too grandiose. They get carried away spoiling themselves. Their sensual nature gives others the ammunition to argue that they need to be taken out of the picture because they've grown too soft and impractical (or just off the wall). the 8w7's downfall comes about because they grow more brutal in their drive to consolidate and expand. They begin to establish dominance through more harsh and sadistic means, anything to hold onto their power, in turn, committing actions that cause revulsion from their own people, who may eventually band together against them in an act of betrayal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomb1 View Post
    As SO'Xs, the soc-variant intensifies each type’s core gestalt and the sx-variant softens each type’s core gestalt. The social variant’s intensification is rooted in the soc’s drive to immortalize themselves (or an aspect of themselves) into the social ether by affecting the culture/world in a large way. This intensification also includes a vigilanteism in the context of not letting anything stand in the way of this. Sp-second hardens and optimizes the soc- first’s agenda towards immortalization. so/sp-terroristic.Sx-instinct softens the soc’s intensification. the intensification of gestalt is still there but frequently gets thwarted/re-channeled/rerouted through an energetic merger with others
    Question. I have read differently (sadly I can't remember the source) that sx is the one that has to do with immortalization- understandable, it's the passing on of genes. I have understood differently, that soc is a more modulating, mediating force and shame-oriented (still more sensitive to how they are seen and approved) rather than the more unapologetic nature of sx if given the chance to express and indulge in their sx. If anything, shouldn't sx lend to the intensification of each core's gestalt in its purest form?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixaerus View Post
    Question. I have read differently (sadly I can't remember the source) that sx is the one that has to do with immortalization- understandable, it's the passing on of genes.
    There are still others who argue that self-pres seeks immortality, as the ultimate expression of one's continued survival. XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tsarevich View Post
    There are still others who argue that self-pres seeks immortality, as the ultimate expression of one's continued survival. XD
    That also makes sense. All types seek to serve the individual in the end, even if in the most roundabout way. Even the most doormated types do so as survival, because if they assert then their hold on what stability they want is gone. Blend in a pack for safety. Leave, and there's no more food, no more support, no more approval, whatever it is.

    It can be argued immortality is then not a distinction in any type, but the why and how is what matters more. That being said, I'm still interested to see why Tomb says that sx tunes down the core's gestalt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tsarevich View Post
    There are still others who argue that self-pres seeks immortality, as the ultimate expression of one's continued survival. XD
    I've never understood people who find immortality appealing. One life is painful enough, an eternity of them is just a never-ending series of losses. I've already loved and lost in life and feel as if I may not get another chance, but to think of trying to re-find that for all of eternity with the knowledge that you'll eventually lose it, or even worse; to know that each subsequent love is just a watered down version of the previous because much of the beauty in true love is that it is rare, normally a once in a lifetime experience.
    Blasé. Disillusioned. Jaded.

    I take some comfort in knowing that death is guaranteed.
    '“Sometimes I think I have felt everything I'm ever gonna feel.
    And from here on out, I'm not gonna feel anything new.

    Just lesser versions of what I've already felt.

    - look it up yourself



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    I'm really fun at parties.
    '“Sometimes I think I have felt everything I'm ever gonna feel.
    And from here on out, I'm not gonna feel anything new.

    Just lesser versions of what I've already felt.

    - look it up yourself


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    I've never understood people who find immortality appealing. One life is painful enough, an eternity of them is just a never-ending series of losses. I've already loved and lost in life and feel as if I may not get another chance, but to think of trying to re-find that for all of eternity with the knowledge that you'll eventually lose it, or even worse; to know that each subsequent love is just a watered down version of the previous because much of the beauty in true love is that it is rare, normally a once in a lifetime experience.
    Blasé. Disillusioned. Jaded.

    I take some comfort in knowing that death is guaranteed.
    I don't think anyone who's self-pres (or sexual, or social) necessarily has to hold immortality as an ideal though. Just different authors and thinkers have the concept at different places, apparently.
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    Jussie Smollett...3w4 sx/so
    Fictional Counterpart...Amy Dunne (Though Smollet is not EII)

    Here is an excellent example of the Calculated-Self-Confident Gestalt.

    So the foundation is pretty well cemented in already for this one. If you look at my 3w4 sx/so examples, you will see that they all have the same gestalt/kinesthetic/physical agency/instinctive truth/temperament as Jussie Smollet (with some variations from socionics) but it is the best fit anywhere on my list. Jussie Smollet best fits the sx/so VI on my visual model for stackings.



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    Lavar Ball...LSE-Si 3w2 so/sp

    3w2...the expansive-self-confident gestalt



    Pink...SEE-Fi 9w8 sx/so

    9w8...the tough/contrarian-leisurely gestalt



    DMX...SLE-Se 6w5 sx/so

    6w5...the volatile-self-protective gestalt



    Clarese Gainey...SLE-Ti 8w7 sx/so

    8w7....the savage-aggressive gestalt

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