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    Still waiting on that missing 4 info

    You’re only feeding the 4’s sense of being enigmatic by withholding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Ahhh 7 it's so good to see you. The real you. And not one of your many alien impostors that read a bit like... "A Trip to Disneyland through the Eyes of a Five Year Old"


    There was member here that asked for some insight and advice in order to best deal with her e7 husband's sudden mood shifts...from positive, inspired and hopeful...to suddenly "losing it" with wild ranting...everything sucks ass we'll never make it...

    And I said to her that when this happens...something broke through...something's reminded him that he's mortal and it's very painful when this happens. Which I believe in her eyes only made me appear more insane than I actually am... (and she apparently does professional work with enneagram haha but she did seem to possess the trip to Disneyland understanding of 7 so...)

    ^Oh but I stand by what I say as much as a person can stand by something they said. And so it's so nice to see "God is against me"...and I understand why it is written that way. But the "God is against me" feel only comes once the 7 fully grasps that they aren't a god themselves.
    Yes. Wisdom is following your own desires and whims regardless of the consequences even if it kills you or others.

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    1w2: The Conscientious-Rigid Gestalt
    1w9: The Contemptuous-Rigid Gestalt
    9w1: The Purposeful-Leisurely Gestalt
    9w8: The Tough/Contrarian-Leisurely Gestalt
    8w9: the Diabolical-Aggressive Gestalt
    8w7: the Savage-Aggressive Gestalt
    7w8: The Enterprising*-Rebellious Gestalt
    7w6: The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt
    6w7: The Pugnacious-Self-Protective Gestalt
    6w5: The Volatile-Self-Protective Gestalt
    5w6: The Solitary-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
    5w4: The Idiosyncratic-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
    4w5: The Suffering-Masochistic gestalt
    4w3: The Dramatic-Masochistic Gestalt
    3w4: The Calculating-Self-Confident Gestalt
    3w2: The Expansive-Self-Confident Gestalt
    2w3: The Insatiable-Seductive Gestalt
    2w1: The Nurturing/Overbearing-Seductive Gestalt


    *greedy acquisition -- a robber baron mentality

    II. ADDENDUM OF TERMS

    A. Gestalt

    The gestalt is the type's overall instinctive truth sometimes referred to as the chief characteristic. It gives unity to all the various sides/parts to one's personality.

    B. Core action set

    A core action set is a continual expression of the type’s chief characteristic through a set of behaviors. if you're around any person long enough, their core action set will show up over and over again. It may be more understated in some environments but still identifiable.

    It’s important to remember that core action sets involve behavior not the product of an emotional disturbance but done in a natural, lucid frame of mind. Emotional disturbances include but are not limited to stuff like obsessions, traumas, trolling, transferences, having been severely bullied and many other things.

    Furthermore, core action sets are immune to differences in wing, stacking, and socionics type. They hold up under all conditions. Core action sets occur in both the average and the unhealthy levels for each enneagram type but with different degrees of severity. As a general rule of thumb, everybody spends most of their time in the average levels of their type.

    C. Personality

    Personality is essentially temperament and expresses both a physical reality and psychological component. it's the unchangeable and immutable part of the person affecting and coloring their behavior at every turn. Personality types are nature, not nurture.

    C. Enneagram types

    The enneagram classifies and accounts for the distinct personality types rooted in nature. Each enneagram is like a system in and of itself and runs on a specific logic. It would be impossible for more than one of these systems to exist in the same person*. To have an enneagram type implies a specific foundation in the unconscious mind which presents outwardly as a core strategy, core distortion, area of fixation, core action set, core trap, etc.

    E. Practical Typing

    Knowing what the physical agency/gestalt for each type, wing and stack looks like in real time is the most effective shortcut if you want to size somebody up fast. See the 2500+ exemplars breakdown in my signature.

    Stackings are easy to visually type based upon the model discovered and set down here by Stackemup Typology (enneagram-side)….also found in my signature.



    *not speaking here on the subject of Multiple Personality Disorder. Serious research indicates that due to early childhood abuse or trauma some people develop, as a stress-coping mechanism, different personality systems distinct from their dominant personality system -- and shift to the strategies of other personality systems under stressful situations. Of course, this is essentially the same psychological mechanism that the Fauvres claim Tritype turns on and that everybody uses. All the experts on Multiple Personality Disorder have found that such a psychological phenomena is triggered by some early childhood trauma. However, there's no credible evidence or research to suggest that everybody has a functional version of multiple personality disorder and the experts have it all wrong. Furthermore, it doesn't fit with my research into enneagram types or even just plain old common sense. I mean, like, if Saddam Hussein was able to switch to a different personality type under stress, he would have let go of his defiant strategy towards the US and UN long before they hung him for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomb1 View Post
    Time to reset, relearn, refresh with a primer on the absolute basics brought to you by Stackemup Typology (enneagram-side). This thread goes over the gestalt for each enneagram character type and gives a thumbnail sketch as to some of the inner logic of each character type. I also include DSM correlations.


    Gestalt: The Type's Instinctive truth; principle of unity
    Core Vulnerability: the type's Kryptonite


    Type 2: the seductive gestalt.
    Type 3: the self-confident gestalt.
    Type 4: the masochistic gestalt
    Type 5: The self-sufficient gestalt
    Type 6: the self-protective gestalt.
    Type 7: the rebellious gestalt.
    Type 8: the aggressive gestalt.
    Type 9: the leisurely gestalt.
    Type 1: the rigid gestalt.



    Type 2: The Seductive Gestalt
    Core Strategy: Winning people over
    Core Distortion: “I am not capable of validating myself.”
    Area of fixation: Manipulation
    Core Action Set: adapting themselves to others in the anticipation that they will be rejected if they do not and approaching interpersonal relations through “maneuvers.”
    DSM Correlate: Histrionic Personality Disorder
    Core trap: encroaching on people’s boundaries and trying to coerce them into doing things that will make the two feel validated.
    Core Vulnerability: Rejection; indifference.
    1 wingers are altruistic, serious, argumentative and often outspoken. 3 wingers are charming, fickle, and clingy.


    Type 3: The Self-Confident Gestalt.
    Core Strategy: Outshining others
    Core Distortion: “I am a superior being.”
    Area of fixation: Expansion/Fantasy
    Core Action Set: putting others on notice that they are a superior being and admiration their due, that others need to be rolling out the red carpet for them.
    DSM Correlate: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
    Core Trap: Weaving together new fantastic rationales for their circumstances in order to recast themselves as the star.
    Core Vulnerability: disdain from others
    2 wingers are hyper-competitive, bragging, skilled at gamesmanship, and political (they know how to work and motivate people).
    4 wingers are poised, calculating, efficient and oriented towards outward self-improvement.


    Type 4: the Masochistic Gestalt.
    Core strategy: Emotional Intensity
    Core Distortion: "I am an Ugly Duckling; defective"
    Area of fixation: Self-Absorption
    Core Action Set: [withheld for the time being]
    DSM Correlate: Masochistic Personality Disorder
    Core Trap: [withheld for the time being]
    Core Vulnerability: [withheld for the time being]
    3 wingers seek emotional intensity through overdramatization. 5 wingers seek emotional intensity through sensitivity and refinement.


    Type 5: The Self-sufficient Gestalt.
    Core strategy: To know everything
    Core distortion: “There’s a gulf/separation between my mind and the physical world around me.”
    Area of fixation: conserving energy
    Core action set: Avoiding intimacy so as to stay detached and outside the action
    DSM Correlate: Schizoid Personality Disorder
    Core Trap: Observing and collecting information that has little to no practical value.
    Core Vulnerability: Intimidation
    Core Weakness: Relationships
    Core Passion: Avarice. Avarice is a withholding of the self from relationships.
    4 wingers are antagonistic, provocative, and delight in demolishing conventionally held ideas. 6 wingers are comprehensive, pin ideas on people like bulletin boards and invent concepts/interpretations that keep reality aligned with their cerebral landscape.


    Type 6: The Self-protective Gestalt
    Core strategy: Deterrence/defense; being on-guard and ready to fend off an attack
    Core distortion: “The world is a dangerous place. I will be mistreated, duped or harmed in some way.”
    Area of Fixation: Rivalry; vendetta
    Core action set: Exculpation of guilt onto others and the projection of hostility.
    DSM Correlate: Paranoid Personality Disorder
    Core Trap (s): Falling behind the 8-ball due to a life pattern of interpersonal conflicts.
    Core Vulnerability: Being outnumbered or outmatched
    Core Weakness: Distrustfulness
    Core Passion: Cowardice. The passion of cowardice manifests either through phobic or counterphobic behavior. Remember that counterphobia is not the opposite of cowardice but an aggressive version of it: i.e. stealing victories, piggybacking on others, blindsiding, back-biting, strength in numbers.
    5 wingers are over-partisan, habitually shift blame, scan for deeper/hidden meanings to confirm their suspicion of ill-will, and are quick to call out to the authorities for intervention. 7 wingers are pugnacious complainers, make mountains out of molehills, engage in assertive bluffing (the "all bark and no bite" approach), and are more prone to panic attacks.


    Type 7: The Rebellious or Non-conforming Gestalt
    Core strategy: doing whatever one wants
    Core Distortion: “God is against me. I am against God.” God is anything that can inhibit one's gratification.
    Area of Fixation: Having a large variety to choose from
    Core Action Set: Being unrestrained and disrupting the social ethic; acting out.
    DSM Correlate: Antisocial Personality Disorder
    Core Trap: Habitually putting wants ahead of needs and cheating the present moment for more pleasure believing it can be made up for at another time.
    Core Vulnerability: Immobilization; restriction
    Core Weakness: Commitment
    Core Passion: Gluttony. Gluttony is like a "roving eye" as if to bely their insatiable desire to consume everything in sight with no restriction on how the seven will take it.
    6 wingers find stimulation through relationships, are monkey-minded in debate, and have a generalist grasp on many different subjects. 8 wingers are bold, adventurous, and see life more in zero sum terms.


    Type 8: The Aggressive Gestalt
    Core Strategy: Dominance.
    Core Distortion: “Might makes right.”
    Area of Fixation: Exercising Power
    Core Action Set: Enforcing submission from underlings through violent and threatening language or behavior….pushing one’s self to the front of the line through ruthless expedience and being able to inflict pain instrumentally without remorse or guilt. Picking off the competition. Never backing down from a fight.
    DSM Correlate: Sadistic Personality Disorder
    Core Trap (s): acting with total impunity after having established power through fear.
    Core Vulnerability: Eights are out of touch with vulnerability due to the defense mechanism of denial.
    Core Weakness: Weakness is like a pit of despair that eights are wired to avoid falling into.
    Core Passion: Lust. Because the eight employs the defense mechanism of denial, they are out of touch with being human. Lust fills that space with an appetite/enjoyment/pleasure for prevailing over others in the rough and tumble.
    8w7s are always on the move in the conquest of more territory. They exercise power through more subversive means. 8w9s are heavily involved in the consolidation of their own territory. They exercise power through more traditional means.


    Type 9: The Leisurely Gestalt
    Core Strategy: Seeking support and offering support
    Core Distortion: This point on the enneagram has no built-in distortion.
    Area of Fixation: Merging
    Core Action Set: Seeing things form multiple perspectives, having a disregard for black and white thinking and reflexively finding unity in conflicting stances.
    DSM Correlate: Dependent Personality Disorder
    Core trap: Going with the flow and staying merged with the agenda of others
    Core Vulnerability: Separation.
    Core weakness: Inner clarity.
    Core Passion: Sloth. The passion of sloth is akin to self-forgetfulness, going on autopilot, falling asleep to one’s will, so to speak.
    9w8s have a natural social charisma they use to reach their own objectives but also to make friends and help others reach their own goals; alliance-building. 9w1s have a more emotionally unexpressive and solemn manner, are capable of seeing reality without pretensions to mask it with and bear through these weighty concerns with one's nose to the grindstone. 9w1s are also critical and more drawn towards constant debate, but, in contrast to 1w9s, are just as sharp and unsparing on themselves.


    Type 1: The Rigid Gestalt
    Core Strategy: Control
    Core Distortion: “Somebody must be punished for the world’s imperfections and flaws.”
    Area of Fixation: Retribution
    Core Action Set: Preoccupation with argumentation, standing up for one’s convictions, and conforming one’s own behavior to an ideal. Finding ways to restrict others in order to correct bad behavior and seeking to right perceived wrongs through the proper channels.
    DSM Correlate: Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder
    Core trap: Stewing in one’s anger.
    Core Vulnerability: Humiliation; being depicted in an unfair light
    Core weakness: Not letting go.
    Core Passion: Wrath. Wrath is essentially hate. Ones wind up in the passion of hate because their anger over perceived wrongs has gone unresolved. As a result, the anger has metastasized into something worse and the object of that anger is no longer just the one who caused the anger.
    9 wingers show contempt/disdain for the parts of reality that don't conform to their strong moral principles/ideals and high regard for those that do (the ideological fanatic)…2 wingers are conscientious, like to accomplish stuff through hard work, and ground their connections to others with empathetic concerns.
    The above is good for writing characters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomb1 View Post
    1w2: The Conscientious-Rigid Gestalt
    1w9: The Contemptuous-Rigid Gestalt
    9w1: The Purposeful-Leisurely Gestalt
    9w8: The Tough/Contrarian-Leisurely Gestalt
    8w9: the Diabolical-Aggressive Gestalt
    8w7: the Savage-Aggressive Gestalt
    7w8: The Enterprising*-Rebellious Gestalt
    7w6: The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt
    6w7: The Pugnacious-Self-Protective Gestalt
    6w5: The Volatile-Self-Protective Gestalt
    5w6: The Solitary-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
    5w4: The Idiosyncratic-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
    4w5: The Suffering-Masochistic gestalt
    4w3: The Dramatic-Masochistic Gestalt
    3w4: The Calculating-Self-Confident Gestalt
    3w2: The Expansive-Self-Confident Gestalt
    2w3: The Insatiable-Seductive Gestalt
    2w1: The Nurturing/Overbearing-Seductive Gestalt


    *greedy acquisition -- a robber baron mentality

    II. ADDENDUM OF TERMS

    A. Gestalt

    The gestalt is the type's overall instinctive truth sometimes referred to as the chief characteristic. It gives unity to all the various sides/parts to one's personality.

    B. Core action set

    A core action set is a continual expression of the type’s chief characteristic through a set of behaviors. if you're around any person long enough, their core action set will show up over and over again. It may be more understated in some environments but still identifiable.

    It’s important to remember that core action sets involve behavior not the product of an emotional disturbance but done in a natural, lucid frame of mind. Emotional disturbances include but are not limited to stuff like obsessions, traumas, trolling, transferences, having been severely bullied and many other things.

    Furthermore, core action sets are immune to differences in wing, stacking, and socionics type. They hold up under all conditions. Core action sets occur in both the average and the unhealthy levels for each enneagram type but with different degrees of severity. As a general rule of thumb, everybody spends most of their time in the average levels of their type.

    C. Personality

    Personality is essentially temperament and expresses both a physical reality and psychological component. it's the unchangeable and immutable part of the person affecting and coloring their behavior at every turn. Personality types are nature, not nurture.

    C. Enneagram types

    The enneagram classifies and accounts for the distinct personality types rooted in nature. Each enneagram is like a system in and of itself and runs on a specific logic. It would be impossible for more than one of these systems to exist in the same person*. To have an enneagram type implies a specific foundation in the unconscious mind which presents outwardly as a core strategy, core distortion, area of fixation, core action set, core trap, etc.

    E. Practical Typing

    Knowing what the physical agency/gestalt for each type, wing and stack looks like in real time is the most effective shortcut if you want to size somebody up fast. See the 2500+ exemplars breakdown in my signature.

    Stackings are easy to visually type based upon the model discovered and set down here by Stackemup Typology (enneagram-side)….also found in my signature.



    *not speaking here on the subject of Multiple Personality Disorder. Serious research indicates that due to early childhood abuse or trauma some people develop, as a stress-coping mechanism, different personality systems distinct from their dominant personality system -- and shift to the strategies of other personality systems under stressful situations. Of course, this is essentially the same psychological mechanism that the Fauvres claim Tritype turns on and that everybody uses. However, there's no credible evidence or research to suggest that everybody has a functional version of multiple personality disorder.
    Shouldn’t this be added to the first post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomb1 View Post
    Type 9: The Leisurely Gestalt
    Core Strategy: Seeking and offering peace of mind
    Fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Population: 1 View Post
    Still waiting on that missing 4 info

    You’re only feeding the 4’s sense of being enigmatic by withholding it.
    That's been his M.O. for years now. I think it's hilarious (because of the transparency of his motives and the irony you mentioned, and also that he wasn't called out on it until recently).


    Photo summary: He skipped making a thread for enneatype 4. Only enneatype 4. A full two years ago, so it's clearly intentional and not out of lack of time to solidify understanding. How cute. He's almost like that serial killer who leaves a little smiley face at all his body dump locations. That's like his thing.




    I'm your biggest fan, Tomb. i've read all your stuff. Will you sign my boob with numbers 1 through 9, skipping 4?
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    How rude, my 4ness wants answers.

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    Steve Wynn: ILE-Ti 7w8 sp/so (The Enterprising-Rebellious Gestalt)



    Big Boy: SLE-Se 8w7 sx/so (The Savage-Aggressive Gestalt)



    John Cassavetes: ILE-Ne 7w6 so/sx (The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt)



    Alexandria Ocasio Cortez: ESE-Si 2w3 sp/so (The Insatiable-Seductive Gestalt)

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    Ooooh, you're almost to 500 posts.
    This is exciting.
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    Take a look at the slight variations on the Enterprising-Rebellious Gestalt based upon SX/SO stacking and socionics.

    Vinny Pazienza: LSE-Te 7w8 sx/so



    Tommy Perna: SLE-Ti 7w8 sx/so



    Drita D'avanzo: SLE-Se 7w8 sx/so



    Fredro Starr: EIE-Ni 7w8 sx/so



    Stackemup Typology ripped open the door to a valid unification between socionics and enneagram based upon the conceptually/structurally/logically flawless foundations discovered and documented for both enneagram and socionics, paving the way for the upcoming and much anticipated Twin Towers Of Typology. Full transparency as to both conceptually/structurally/logically flawless breakdowns has been provided in my signature.

    The Twin Towers of Typology are anticipated for release in late 2019, early 2020. The Twin Towers of Typology will be the mother of all typology resources.
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