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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wailing Specter View Post
    1, 3 and 6 are actually the same type.
    2 and 4 are actually the same type.
    5 and 9 are actually the same type.
    While we're at it we might as well just whittle the 16 mbti types down to 8 or maybe even 4, or heck, even 2, and call it a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    While we're at it we might as well just whittle the 16 mbti types down to 8 or maybe even 4, or heck, even 2, and call it a day.
    MBTI is flawed and outdated. I really prefer OCEAN. It does away with type dynamics (which was broken) and instead focuses on 5 traits which are scored against the average person in the population. A person with 50 in every category is the average for the area or the world, depending on the frame of reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wailing Specter View Post
    MBTI is flawed and outdated. I really prefer OCEAN. It does away with type dynamics (which was broken) and instead focuses on 5 traits which are scored against the average person in the population. A person with 50 in every category is the average for the area or the world, depending on the frame of reference.
    Personally I tend to agree, in the sense that mbti doesn't have any universal agreement in how one is typed. It's not metric-based. Hmm, actually to state this better, the way we talk it about it on the forum is very loose and undefined, or rather, there's nothing metric-based in how type is determined on the forum; in the 'real world' where all most people know about it is facebook, Humanmetrics, or Hello Quizzy type tests, those dichotomies are pretty well defined - and it's in that defined world that I'm borderline on several types. (We type on the forum differently from how it's used by most people)

    I do however enjoy using the mbti concepts to understand high-level differences between people, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Personally I tend to agree, in the sense that mbti doesn't have any universal agreement in how one is typed. It's not metric-based. Hmm, actually to state this better, the way we talk it about it on the forum is very loose and undefined, or rather, there's nothing metric-based in how type is determined on the forum; in the 'real world' where all most people know about it is facebook, Humanmetrics, or Hello Quizzy type tests, those dichotomies are pretty well defined - and it's in that defined world that I'm borderline on several types. (We type on the forum differently from how it's used by most people)

    I do however enjoy using the mbti concepts to understand high-level differences between people, though.
    Hell, I’m a hedonistic egoistic atheist nihilist...I break the type descriptions and have related to all 9 enneagrams and all 16 types depending on my mood. When push comes to shove, I’m mainly interested in money since it can be converted into whatever I want or need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wailing Specter View Post
    Hell, I’m a hedonistic egoistic atheist nihilist...I break the type descriptions and have related to all 9 enneagrams and all 16 types depending on my mood. When push comes to shove, I’m mainly interested in money since it can be converted into whatever I want or need.
    Just what every ENFP should say ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wailing Specter View Post
    1, 3 and 6 are actually the same type.
    2 and 4 are actually the same type.
    5 and 9 are actually the same type.

    Very different.

    1 -> to do right thing (anger/shame) ISJ ENJ -> WRATH
    3 -> to achieve thing (shame) ESP ETJ -> DECEPTION
    6 -> to secure thing (fear) S thing -> FEAR

    2 -> to give thing (shame/anger) EF -> PRIDE
    4 -> to express thing (scheme/fear) IF -> ENVY

    5 -> to know thing (fear/shame) IT -> GREED
    9 -> to harmonize thing (anger) IP -> SLOTH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Just what every ENFP should say ;D
    now I’m drunk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Very different.

    1 -> to do right thing (anger/shame) ISJ ENJ -> WRATH
    3 -> to achieve thing (shame) ESP ETJ -> DECEPTION
    6 -> to secure thing (fear) S thing -> FEAR

    2 -> to give thing (shame/anger) EF -> PRIDE
    4 -> to express thing (scheme/fear) IF -> ENVY

    5 -> to know thing (fear/shame) IT -> GREED
    9 -> to harmonize thing (anger) IP -> SLOTH
    I’m pretty drunk, but I’ll say this: What if somebody truly E1 is exposed to something which utterly destroys the basis of their moral code? Wouldn’t they change to a 6 or 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wailing Specter View Post
    I’m pretty drunk, but I’ll say this: What if somebody truly E1 is exposed to something which utterly destroys the basis of their moral code? Wouldn’t they change to a 6 or 3?
    Actually, E1 under stress become 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Actually, E1 under stress become 4.
    remember, @Qlip and I were E1s as children because we were in an E1 organization.

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