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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureInProgress View Post
    But by what definition? What are your criteria? That's my point.
    I use general psychology. What do you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    I use general psychology. What do you use?
    Likewise. There are many different tactics and aims for being manipulative.... subtle, overt, well-intentioned, subversive, maintaining power, gaining control, etc.

    Like i mean 2s can be very "tit-for-tat", 9s can be very passive-aggressive, etc.
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    I married a legitimately narcissistic core 3. Just saying.
    The unhealthy 3 is a prime example of a toxic manipulator because they get off on putting you down via twisted comparisons of your worth/success vs theirs.

    But yes, all types have their own brand of manipulation and even then, it's still not black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureInProgress View Post
    Likewise. There are many different tactics and aims for being manipulative.... subtle, overt, well-intentioned, subversive, maintaining power, gaining control, etc.

    Like i mean 2s can be very "tit-for-tat", 9s can be very passive-aggressive, etc.
    Every type can be manipulative, but the question is which type is the most manipulative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    I married a legitimately narcissistic core 3. Just saying.
    The unhealthy 3 is a prime example of a toxic manipulator because they get off on putting you down via twisted comparisons of your worth/success vs theirs.

    But yes, all types have their own brand of manipulation and even then, it's still not black and white.
    People aren't black and white. But types are black and white, and have their own descriptions which serve to distinguish them from other types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    People aren't black and white. But types are black and white, and have their own descriptions which serve to distinguish them from other types.
    I don't see how you can separate the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    I don't see how you can separate the two.
    I separate them by recognizing that a person is not a type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    I separate them by recognizing that a person is not a type.
    Touché.

    I still maintain it's too nuanced to classify by type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Every type can be manipulative, but the question is which type is the most manipulative.
    From my personal experiences, e1, e2, e3, e9 but e2 and e3 stick out consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    Touché.

    I still maintain it's too nuanced to classify by type.
    6w7 is the most manipulative type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureInProgress View Post
    From my personal experiences, e1, e2, e3, e9 but e2 and e3 stick out consistently.
    6w7 is the most manipulative type.

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