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    It turns out I found some PersonalityCafe data that was out there from last year where some similar number crunching was done. I ran the same spreadsheet against it. The results come out very similarly in many ways with some differences. I was particularly interested in the types with smaller numbers (ESFJ, ESTJ). First on the overall Enneagram distribution, it looks pretty similar except there are a lot less 8s and more 6s on PersonalityCafe. NOTE, THIS IS BASED ON THE NORMALIZED DISTRIBUTION.



    Some key data points.

    INFP - More 2s and 5s vs 4s (but still a large majority of 4s).
    ENFJ - Fewer 3s and 4s with the percentages split roughly across other types (except for 2 which is the same)
    INFJ - Twice the number of 2s, a lot less 4s and higher percentage of 5 and 6
    ENTP - Half the number of 8s with the rest spread across mostly 3 and 5
    INTP - Fewer 5s and twice the number of 6s
    INTJ - Four times the number of 6s which were 20% of all INTJs and 40% more 1s (14%).
    ENTJ - A lot more 6s and a fair number more 3s and about 35% fewer 8s
    ESTJ - A lot more 6s and fewer 3s and 8s
    ESFJ - 50% fewer 2s (though still the highest) and 3s with the rest spread across other types
    ISFP - Triple the number of 2s; numbers generally more spread out
    ESTP - A lot fewer 8s

    As the the normalized distribution, here it is. On the makeup of the Enneagram types, or the general themes I mentioned, while there are some significant changes in some of the individual percentages, the overall themes seem consistent.



    The numbers for ESFJ and ESFP seemed potentially more aligned with reality due to larger sample size.

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    One interesting observation about the PersonalityCafe numbers is it highlights how strongly correlated SJ is with Enneagram 6. SJs make up 69% of people who are Enneagram 6. It's more of a thing for Si doms (ISTJ and ISFJ) but the Si auxes (ESTJ and ESFJ) make up a significant portion of the population as well - stronger than the SPs. I wonder on that particular thing if it might have something to do with inferior or tertiary Ne vs. the dominant or auxiliary functions.

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    Here is the same chart as I had above with the Personality Cafe data.


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    This is great! It looks pretty accurate too. I would have thought more INTJs would be 3 though. It's also hard for me to get used to ENTPs being 8, but I guess the data doesn't lie. Unless the data providers are mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    These strong correlations are not surprising. Interesting to see the outliers and if those are people who change type frequently or are undecided, etc. but that would be difficult to measure. I second the earlier post about enneagram being a bit more difficult to self-type. It takes more reseach.

    Really awesome read. Thanks @highlander
    Yeah I took forever to decide mine and changed it a few times.

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    This is pretty neat. Even if people have mistyped themselves, there's still a visible pattern and it's fun to study.

    One of the biggest reasons I kind of drift away from the typology community pretty regularly is that it seems preoccupied with linking these two systems together, and my own types don't fit/match/coincide the way they're expected/supposed/thought to.

    Sometimes I wish I could claim ISTP as my type instead, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    You are right. It is getting multiplied like that. I have lower confidence in the absolute percentages related to the ESFJs and ESTJs. I have similarly lower confidence because of the "noisyness" you mention. Even with that though, there are absolutely inferences to be drawn from the data.

    I think we can say with confidence even with the smaller sample size that it is highly likely that a large percentage of ESFJs are 2s and highly likely that a large percentage of ESTJs are 8s and 3s. It doesn't seem implausible that 1 is a relatively common type for the ESTJ or that 3 is relatively common type for an ESFJ.

    The data doesn't have to be perfect to be useful.
    I was going to say, even though information can be gathered from a small sample size, is our sample size for the least common types on the forum too small to extrapolate to the general population? I think it would provide general trends, but those may be exaggerated and the information may lack depth. So I think more research should be done, but this is a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Yes, that part bothered me a bit. Can you think of any way to address that issue? I looked for some general Enneagram statistics to validate the percentages discovered here and had a very difficult time finding anything anywhere close to authoritative.

    A quote from the Enneagram Institute on "Cultural Studies" may be relevant. [...]
    I don't know of any good source. In general, Enneagram instruments are "younger" and not of the same quality as the MBTI (or Big Five instruments). Instruments like the RHETI have some stats available, but that's from people who take the test, which is likely to be people interested in personality theory, and/or people who had it administered in a corporate work-place setting. Neither of those populations are likely to be representative of the general population.

    Even the MBTI representative sample came from random phone calls, which may have skewed results towards people willing to take a random phone call. (Does that tend to favor extraverts? feelers? perceivers? Who knows!).

    I would think the best bet for data collection would be a public high school (in a place where the vast majority of people go to public schools), although even then you'd have to factor in school drop-out rates. Colleges are generally uninterested in the Enneagram, because in its current state it is insufficiently scientific to be taken seriously by psychology departments.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I was going to say, even though information can be gathered from a small sample size, is our sample size for the least common types on the forum too small to extrapolate to the general population? I think it would provide general trends, but those may be exaggerated and the information may lack depth. So I think more research should be done, but this is a good start.
    I think the main problem isn't the sample size (at least for many types), but rather the self-selection bias. The data we have describes people who participate (or at least register) on a typology forum. But I agree it's thought provoking.
    @highlander, could you also post the count for each MBTI + enneagram type? It would be interesting to see which combos are the most populous. Another interesting piece of data would be post counts per MBTI + enneagram type (or average post count for each MBTI + enneagram type). That would give one an idea of what the mix of content looks like, rather than the mix of registered users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    This is great! It looks pretty accurate too. I would have thought more INTJs would be 3 though. It's also hard for me to get used to ENTPs being 8, but I guess the data doesn't lie. Unless the data providers are mistaken.
    ENTP are NOT mostly type 8. If you look again you will see that they are mostly type 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    One interesting thing. I felt like I could see correlations between Enneagram type and practically every single Cognitive Function

    • Si and 1
    • Se/Ne and 7
    • Fe and 2
    • Introversion + Ti/Te and 5
    • Fi and 4

    However, I couldn't see a correlation between Ni and anything whatsoever in Enneagram.
    Maybe that is because Ni is synthetic- it acts to gather everything into itself. 9 does the same and has been described as being everything except the 9 itself. So one might imagine that there would be a correlation between Ni and 9, but ironically it would only be slight in my opinion because the trend of Ni would just be to be amenable to everything and to not have a correlation. Does this make sense? Of course 9 can be correlated with stuff, so maybe it doesn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ene View Post
    Yes, exactly. That's what I was looking for. I wonder why it isn't there or at least not easily discernable. It makes it difficult for Ni users to pinpoint their Etype. At least it did for me, not a 4, not a 3, not a 5 or a six....eek, I was like "what can I be?" I think it was @sunyata that suggested I might be a 9, so I really looked into 9s and it does fit best, but still, I don't think Ni dominance correlates well with the Enneagram.

    Also, E3 seems to be in moderately heavy use among ESFPs and ISFPs, so I'm wondering if its fairly strong presence is due to a combo of dominant and auxiliary functions.
    (I also suggested you were a 9w8. And typed myself as 9w1 for a long time.)

    Also @highlander: I would guess the SJs would be more likely to be primarily phobic 6s and some other types more likely to be more of a mix or more counterphobic. I personally feel like both all the time. I do not consider myself a loyalist or a traditionalist, but paradoxically I am loyal to being progressive and to philosophies which value freedom and critical thinking. I am traditional in the same way that primitive, prehistoric peoples are traditional and believe that being in tune with nature is best. So this is very different from most SJs and not the stereotypical 6 type of thing. What is your experience as a 6w5?

    As far as Enneagram population statistics I feel like is would be very hard to do as it would mostly rely on self reporting and tests, which are largely inaccurate. At least with MBTI there is some sort of committee which oversees possible mistypes in some situations, although I have to be skeptical because a lot of the time they just administer the test in a workplace and you get all kinds of inaccurate information. I certainly would have been mistyped. I think the right way to go about it is how some tests do with giving a percentage of the likelihood of a certain result being accurate. I got INTJ first, which got 3 letters right. I only have a strong preference for N. I've gotten INTP and INFP often. So IN remains consistent, Fe and Ti are always stronger than Fi, etc. You would have to look at a lot of factors with people to infer what their type most likely is. Maybe have them take several tests and see which numbers they score highest and lowest on, consistently. See the patterns of ranking head, heart, and gut. Etc.

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