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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaumaturgicTheorist View Post
    This is so relatable it almost hurts.
    I typed as a 946 for a long time, then had to concede that I'm a 3-fixer. "Wanting to be special", I was told, is more an attachment thing. For actual Fours/fixers it's more about authentic identity and expression, there's actually an indifference to whether one is "special" or not. The focus is more about honing in on one's true self, looking for one's realest identity, rather that just being weird to stand out or get attention.
    I used to ponder at the thought of me possibly being an e3 rather than an e4 for a time, but I don't have the overly ambitious nature of an e3. I am only ambitious when it comes to something that I take interest in and is a representation of who I am and can care less about anything else. I want to be successful, but I don't want to sacrifice my authenticity in order to reach that goal. I agree that many claiming to be an e4 are probably mistyped for that reason of trying to be as different as possible than actually being their authentic self.

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    Hi, I'm new to the Forum, dabbling in Enneagram and new to Tritypes. I know I'm INFP in Jungian type, and understand how that is affected by stress, development, etc.

    I used to think I was 4w5. Seemed to fit in the first few decades. Now I wonder about 9w1, but that seems more my mother than me. (Oh-oh!)

    I did Rouskyrie's quiz (very interesting!) which gives me 469. 'Seeker' sounds good as a label, SearchingforPeace says many things I relate to.

    But where please are the descriptions you guys are referencing? I'd love to read and discover what fits. As I wait I'll carry on exploring (tomorrow, as it's late in this time zone). And if Tritypes are a valid "thing", do they change over time? I know MBTI doesn't, and so I presume Enneagram core type doesn't...

    I don't see any mention in *anything* I've read about how age influences type understanding, though I understand healthy vs unhealthy. It *feels* as though I've moved from 4 in my adult years (poetry my main creative outlet) towards 9 in maturity. I saw someone else's post in this thread speaking of wanting to develop more 9 in her tritype, which used to be my aim. 'Balance' was a favourite word though once felt very elusive. Self-control was self-defense. I'm not so sure what I've got is what I expected! But neither does that mean I want to be turbulent again....

    If I'm getting the feel of this tritype right (through these posts), you may be interested in a recent poem I've written about the experience of finding balance....


    Journal

    From a Vineyard shop of long ago,
    this cover (soft with amber leather)
    holds pages worn in edge and ink.

    “… last night beneath the milky way
    we swam in the lagoon. The
    water slid like silk against my skin
    and phosphorescence swirled about…”


    Each day was huge – aglow or gloom:
    dark and crashing seas splintered the
    bright glory of the sun; we danced
    on windswept slopes which yet hid
    razor crags and loneliness.

    New entries scarce as decades pass,
    page on empty page stares back,
    watch untroubled days slip by –

    “… called Mom tonight, and
    heard about her flowers…”


    Not bright, not black. A sheltered sea
    lies flat beneath the same old,
    same old sunset; sand and seaweed
    edge the rise and fall of lifescapes,
    crowded with experience worn thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licoricetwist View Post
    Hi, I'm new to the Forum, dabbling in Enneagram and new to Tritypes. I know I'm INFP in Jungian type, and understand how that is affected by stress, development, etc.

    I used to think I was 4w5. Seemed to fit in the first few decades. Now I wonder about 9w1, but that seems more my mother than me. (Oh-oh!)

    I did Rouskyrie's quiz (very interesting!) which gives me 469. 'Seeker' sounds good as a label, SearchingforPeace says many things I relate to.

    But where please are the descriptions you guys are referencing? I'd love to read and discover what fits. As I wait I'll carry on exploring (tomorrow, as it's late in this time zone). And if Tritypes are a valid "thing", do they change over time? I know MBTI doesn't, and so I presume Enneagram core type doesn't...

    I don't see any mention in *anything* I've read about how age influences type understanding, though I understand healthy vs unhealthy. It *feels* as though I've moved from 4 in my adult years (poetry my main creative outlet) towards 9 in maturity. I saw someone else's post in this thread speaking of wanting to develop more 9 in her tritype, which used to be my aim. 'Balance' was a favourite word though once felt very elusive. Self-control was self-defense. I'm not so sure what I've got is what I expected! But neither does that mean I want to be turbulent again....

    If I'm getting the feel of this tritype right (through these posts), you may be interested in a recent poem I've written about the experience of finding balance....


    Journal

    From a Vineyard shop of long ago,
    this cover (soft with amber leather)
    holds pages worn in edge and ink.

    “… last night beneath the milky way
    we swam in the lagoon. The
    water slid like silk against my skin
    and phosphorescence swirled about…”


    Each day was huge – aglow or gloom:
    dark and crashing seas splintered the
    bright glory of the sun; we danced
    on windswept slopes which yet hid
    razor crags and loneliness.

    New entries scarce as decades pass,
    page on empty page stares back,
    watch untroubled days slip by –

    “… called Mom tonight, and
    heard about her flowers…”


    Not bright, not black. A sheltered sea
    lies flat beneath the same old,
    same old sunset; sand and seaweed
    edge the rise and fall of lifescapes,
    crowded with experience worn thin.
    Here are the tritype descriptions most are referring to in this thread.

    One can google tritype and get even visual evidence of tritypes (someone made instagrams).

    But reading through the 27 tritype archetypes (each of which with 6 variations, further made different with wings and instinctual stack) can help a lot.
    “Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

    “It is clear that thought is not free if the profession of certain opinions makes it impossible to earn a living. It is clear also that thought is not free if all the arguments on one side of a controversy are perpetually presented as attractively as possible, while the arguments on the other side can only be discovered by diligent search.”

    ― Bertrand Russell, Sceptical Essays
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    Thanks SearchingforPeace, I'll have a look.
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    Found this useful short summary of all 27 on a long page, in case it's of use to folk:

    The 27 Tritype Discriptions
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    This seems to me a tritype that is fairly unhealthy and usually mired in self-doubt and anxiety. Why? 4-6-9s are usually phobic six, and the phobic six tends to lack self-confidence, and fears being without guidance and being different from others. The 9 fears discord and longs for peace. These two conflict with the 4's desire for authenticity and individuality, and are magnified by the 4's tendency toward strong emotions. Especially in the absence of a guiding figure/entity, I think 4-6-9s tend to be immobilized by a tug of war of the enneatypes, always seeking a tunnel light at the end of the tunnel.
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    I'm also exploring 4-5-9 as a tritype, having stumbled across it somewhere. 4-5-9 could describe my life's journey. Weighing up between 4w5 or 9w1 as core type, but each time round my thoughts change. Seeming like a 4 brought up in a 5/9 environment (books, learning, and avoiding emotions), invisible middle of 5 children and the only 'arty' one. In line with what Stargaze comments, finding my authentic self rather than being 'as different as possible'.

    4-6-9s are usually phobic six, and the phobic six tends to lack self-confidence, and fears being without guidance and being different from others. The 9 fears discord and longs for peace. These two conflict with the 4's desire for authenticity and individuality, and are magnified by the 4's tendency toward strong emotions. Especially in the absence of a guiding figure/entity, I think 4-6-9s tend to be immobilized by a tug of war of the enneatypes, always seeking a tunnel light at the end of the tunnel.
    The comment by @Abendrot about phobic 6 is helpful in my search but not definitive. My identification with 5 might be my wing + family background rather than who I am. Though of course background plays a role in who we are!

    I have a book 'The Enneagram Made Easy' (Renee Baron) which though lightish (cartoons and bulleted lists) seems to say what I've read elsewhere but more clearly and economically, both positives and negatives. And it has a section on 'N as children' which is helpful. Also the descriptions of the relation to both wings and arrows movement in terms of effect on behaviour & feeling.

    The current political discord has me divided between wanting to withdraw completely (5? 9?), and wanting to do something that is in line with my values in spite of those values NOT being in line with the establishment's (4?). My poetry is about relationships (with myself, God, & others) and only rarely about 'issues' - when I do, they are from a subjective perspective from putting myself in another's shoes (eg An End to Summer). I stop myself from imaging all that might happen by simply praying it doesn't and carrying on doing whatever seems the best thing for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abendrot View Post
    This seems to me a tritype that is fairly unhealthy and usually mired in self-doubt and anxiety. Why? 4-6-9s are usually phobic six, and the phobic six tends to lack self-confidence, and fears being without guidance and being different from others. The 9 fears discord and longs for peace. These two conflict with the 4's desire for authenticity and individuality, and are magnified by the 4's tendency toward strong emotions. Especially in the absence of a guiding figure/entity, I think 4-6-9s tend to be immobilized by a tug of war of the enneatypes, always seeking a tunnel light at the end of the tunnel.
    Personally- I feel that this is a tritype that- could be percieved as internally unstable- maybe unstable is not the best word-but it might explain why this tritype can frequently look unhealthy to some.

    9 is all about peace- 4 and 6 are reactive, generally highly internally emotive types. 9 is all about peace of mind- 4 is constantly bringing up challenges to self image- and 6 is constantly demanding reactions to the environment, taking from the environment, expanding- and internalizing problems.

    So you have 9 trying to keep the peace and the other two types badgering- constantly poking at the 9- attempting to undermine it with their own mentalities- which can be threatening to the 9- can stress it out to the point where eiher you will see cracks to the 9s surface as they attempt to quickly and painlessly supress information that is deemed problematic and threatening by the other types in its tritype. Most of the time- especially if 9 is the dominant type- most of this attempt/work to supress- 'deal with'- explore(because eventually, I think, if a suggestion from either 4 or 6 is peristant enough the tritype, even if 9 focused, will HAVE to explore it)- anyways, if 9 is dominant, most of this will happen internally. Cracks will still appear in times when this type is given too much information to process- more quickly with 9 dominance since they already have a low tolerance for it- but with 4 and 6 doms too. 9 might appear more irregular and confusing though. The other two types if they are dominant might be able to sort of better accept and identify/create an identity around their 'questioning'- they might appear even more unhealthy/unstable- but their ability to idenfity- accept that at least externally as 'who they are is probably pretty helpful.

    Anyways. Just some thoughts for now.
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    Interesting thoughts, thank you @Eskimo2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo2 View Post
    Personally- I feel that this is a tritype that- could be percieved as internally unstable- maybe unstable is not the best word-but it might explain why this tritype can frequently look unhealthy to some.

    9 is all about peace- 4 and 6 are reactive, generally highly internally emotive types. 9 is all about peace of mind- 4 is constantly bringing up challenges to self image- and 6 is constantly demanding reactions to the environment, taking from the environment, expanding- and internalizing problems.

    So you have 9 trying to keep the peace and the other two types badgering- constantly poking at the 9- attempting to undermine it with their own mentalities- which can be threatening to the 9- can stress it out to the point where eiher you will see cracks to the 9s surface as they attempt to quickly and painlessly supress information that is deemed problematic and threatening by the other types in its tritype. Most of the time- especially if 9 is the dominant type- most of this attempt/work to supress- 'deal with'- explore(because eventually, I think, if a suggestion from either 4 or 6 is peristant enough the tritype, even if 9 focused, will HAVE to explore it)- anyways, if 9 is dominant, most of this will happen internally. Cracks will still appear in times when this type is given too much information to process- more quickly with 9 dominance since they already have a low tolerance for it- but with 4 and 6 doms too. 9 might appear more irregular and confusing though. The other two types if they are dominant might be able to sort of better accept and identify/create an identity around their 'questioning'- they might appear even more unhealthy/unstable- but their ability to idenfity- accept that at least externally as 'who they are is probably pretty helpful.

    Anyways. Just some thoughts for now.
    Interesting. Your ideas are similar to mine, but more fleshed out. I suppose what you are saying is that the tritypes within the 469 archetype are generally divided on the inside (Maybe "divided" is the better word than "unstable"), with 9 attempting to anchor the other two. This being in contrast to most tritypes, in which the enneatypes tend to work cohesively. Maybe, if the core is 9, the appearance on the surface is tranquil like that of other 9s, but this tranquility masks a turbulence, sort of like a dormant volcano.

    Would you be a 964 by the way?
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