Confession

[gromit]

I think Enneagram wings are a bit silly.

 

[Rasofy]

Tri types ftw

 

[kyuuei]

I never understood the wing concept.. Everyone just sort of nudged 8w7, but I never really got along well with either 7 or 9 being a wing.. it really didnt make sense that those were the only ones that could be wings. I think [MENTION=1449]Magic Poriferan[/MENTION] said it best in that there really isnt much rhyme or reason as to why the "8" is in the position it is.

 

[Totenkindly]

I think Enneagram wings are a bit silly.

Infidel.

I think they were a tag on, rather than something that developed normally. IOW, a silly picture with connecting lines determined what the personalities should be like, rather than the principles being derived through actual cross-sectioning of demographics of human beings to come up with natural and equal divisions in how humans behave.

"Oh look. I'm not a perfect fit for E6. But some of the other types are contradictory, but 5 and 7 not quite so bad. Let's just say wings have to be wings, cuz the picture says so."

 

[garbage]

Naranjo's Character and Neurosis has a diagram that maps DSM and other personality disorders to a circle, then maps Enneatypes to that same circle. They're intended to portray a continuum, through which the layout of the types (and thus the wings) kind of make sense--on that continuum, one can be placed 'between' types and described that way.

Tritypes kind of make sense if you think there's merit to separating out the heart, gut, and head types.

Not saying that I actually.. you know, agree or disagree.. but there's at least some logic there that can be taken or left.

 

[RaptorWizard]

I have a theory that we could have wings from types further away from ours like a 3w8 or a 5w7.

 

[Craft]

I just treat the wing as an auxilliary function. 5(Ti)-7(Ne)..see? I know I don't follow the adjacent-only wing but I'm thinking since 6 is Si, 5w6 is referring to Ti-Si focused INTPs, and 5w4 referring to Ji-focused INTPs. Not sure about enneagram, but having two divisible cognitive preferences(dom-aux) makes sense to me.

 

[prplchknz]

I think Enneagram wings are a bit silly.

But how else will you fly when I push you off a tall building

 

[Rasofy]

It's kinda like this:

A 3 who is more charming than emo = 3w2
A 3 who is more emo than charming = 3w4

A 5 who is a bit emo = 5w4
A 5 who is a hyper rational = 5w6

A 7 who thinks he's a badass = 7w8
A 7 who gets along with everyone = 7w6

It doesn't get much deeper than that.

 

[The Iron Giant]

I think Enneagram wings are a bit silly.

That's because they are. It's an adaptation. But enneagram is silly to start with, because we're all human beings. Then you're breaking us down into nine categories, this breaks each of those into two more, then you have further spinoffs like tritypes and unconventional wings (2w9, etc). It's all ways of describing the natural human variations within the nine types even further.

I enjoy wings and tritypes and instinctual variants because it feels like a game. And I love to categorize things. I'm a sortin' fool. And I'm sorta a fool, too.

 

[acronach]

I think Enneagram wings are a bit silly.

Tri types ftw

I thought I was the only one 0.0

I do take wings seriously though, but I can identify with 3 and 9 WAY more than 6 or 4. 4 is the emotional side that i hide from even myself sometimes, and 6 is a nagging worried voice in the back of my head, but 3 and 9 are a lot more part of me.

 

[Viridian]

Oh, I see, you're too good for them, mmmh?

 

[Savage Idealist]

I think Enneagram wings are a bit silly.

I wholeheartedly agree. However I also think that the Enneagram is rather silly.

 

[WALMART]

I think Enneagram wings are a bit silly.

I believe they are necessary to 'accurately' give someone insight into their personality. To stick to one Enneagram type would be like saying I am 'Ne-dom' and then not identifying anything further, such as the distinction between ENFP and ENTP.

I have oft thought tri-type theory to be silly, but in the context I have just provided, it almost might make sense... hm.

I wholeheartedly agree. However I also think that the Enneagram is rather silly.

So is MBTI, and tarot cards, and psychology in general.


Yet it helps many.

 

[SilkRoad]

I waver between thinking Enneagram is way too silly and wishy-washy to be at all realistic, and thinking it's pretty useful and fantastic. It has certainly helped me pinpoint some things. But I kind of agree about the wings. I don't identify heavily with either 6w5 or 6w7 (started a thread about this recently!) so I've sort of concluded that either it doesn't mean much, or I have fairly balanced wings.

I really think tri-type is silly though. It's the ultimate way to fudge your type.

 

[skylights]

That's because they are. It's an adaptation. But enneagram is silly to start with, because we're all human beings. Then you're breaking us down into nine categories, this breaks each of those into two more, then you have further spinoffs like tritypes and unconventional wings (2w9, etc). It's all ways of describing the natural human variations within the nine types even further.

I enjoy wings and tritypes and instinctual variants because it feels like a game. And I love to categorize things. I'm a sortin' fool. And I'm sorta a fool, too.

Ditto this entire post.

To be fair to the wings, all theoretical systems of categorization are ultimately arbitrary. Numbers are arbitrary. The alphabet is arbitrary. As far as I'm concerned, if you find the system useful, keep using it. If you don't, either change it or abandon it.

Personally, I find 6w7 a good identifier because I tend to overcommit (6) and then flee (7). Or to get really excited about an idea (7) and then start questioning it (6). Or to begin by rejecting an outside idea (6) and then finding it solid and wholeheartedly embracing it (7). And just overanalysis in general.

 

[Lady_X]

It's kinda like this:

A 3 who is more charming than emo = 3w2
A 3 who is more emo than charming = 3w4

A 5 who is a bit emo = 5w4
A 5 who is a hyper rational = 5w6

A 7 who thinks he's a badass = 7w8
A 7 who gets along with everyone = 7w6

It doesn't get much deeper than that.

This is how I understand it.

 

[zelo1954]

That's because they are. It's an adaptation. But enneagram is silly to start with, because we're all human beings. Then you're breaking us down into nine categories, this breaks each of those into two more, then you have further spinoffs like tritypes and unconventional wings (2w9, etc). It's all ways of describing the natural human variations within the nine types even further.

I think it would be fairer to say that it breaks us down into 9 archetypes. Ultimately the diagrammatic representation of the enneagram is a circle on which you can make your mark (currently) anywhere on its circumference. What it isn't is 9 separate sectors. It's weakness isn't the 9 archetypes but the assumption that there is a gradation of personality right around the circumference of the circle. What I believe is that someone brighter than me needs to evaluate what's really in the inside of the circle given that its very centre must represent the most rounded personality possible.

 

[Savage Idealist]

So is MBTI, and tarot cards, and psychology in general.


Yet it helps many.

Perhaps. Or perhaps psychology needs to find itself a new direction.

 

[WALMART]

Perhaps. Or perhaps psychology needs to find itself a new direction.

Perhaps. I do not know what. Do you have any ideas?